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Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 17 @ 11:50 PM ET
Frost got decent icetime tonight. So Torts couldn't be to unhappy
- THE EVIL WITHIN
I think Torts is done with the head games with Frost. It's now up to Frost to $hit or get off the pot. He's getting his chance. No more excuses.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:07 AM ET
I think Torts is done with the head games with Frost. It's now up to Frost to $hit or get off the pot. He's getting his chance. No more excuses.
- Phillywhiteout


Agreed but leave him in the lineup and allow him k continue to progress. Thats why he’s got a bridge contract.

As mentioned, the issue for last night’s game was that we made too many mistakes on d where we are normally more airtight. Ersson wasn’t on and then we drop a crazy good 2nd but can’t bury several grade a chances. We have the work ethic but we just don’t have the skill. Not enough finishers and that’s part of why the gauthier situation still stings to me. Hes likely the type of player we need rather than a team of hard working pluggers. I’ll add that we once again get stoned by a backup tender..

I’m reminded of the saying hard work beats skill when skill doesn’t work hard. That has worked for us on occasion but when skill works hard we’re toast haha
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Feb 18 @ 8:14 AM ET
Games like last night will happen. Goaltending wasn’t great. Finishing wasn’t great. Defensive lapses and some bad bounces. I thought the refs were too eager to call penalties on both teams early on instead of letting them play. That being said, the Flyers will be just fine. The goal should be twofold right now:

1-Make the playoffs so this team can get the experience of being in the dance;

2-Stay the course and get assets at the TDL.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:24 AM ET
Games like last night will happen. Goaltending wasn’t great. Finishing wasn’t great. Defensive lapses and some bad bounces. I thought the refs were too eager to call penalties on both teams early on instead of letting them play. That being said, the Flyers will be just fine. The goal should be twofold right now:

1-Make the playoffs so this team can get the experience of being in the dance;

2-Stay the course and get assets at the TDL.

- mikeyo27


Good post. I would say though that getting the assets at the tdl is more important than getting into the dance. Right now I think it’s a coin flip as to whether or not they make it. Last night was a big loss of two points and I can easily see a few teams surpassing us and us being on the outside. Either way, we’ll get trounced in the first round. Experience would be good but we need to accumulate assets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:45 AM ET
I have said 1000 times I’m rooting for the kid, but you and others just want to make excuse after excuse for this kid, and attack anyone that rightly points out when he is invisible in games. I don’t want the Flyers to miss on another 1st round pick, but we got to stop making excuses and stop blaming coaches. Tippet might have been a -4, but he scored two goals.
- jd250


Nah, you're not rooting for the kid. You constantly try and criticize him as a player. Regardless of how he plays. That is for one reason. You try and get at me because I'm a Frost supporter. In the same way you try and bring up Hextall. It's childish. You're attacked not because you rightly point something out. It's because you wrongly point things out repeatedly and at a ridiculous frequency. Frost didn't have a good game last night but he certainly wasn't the only one, Yet you single him out.

As far as Tippett is concerned. Your comment that Tippett might have been a -4 but he scored 2 goals, is an excuse for him. You don't even realize it because you lack self awareness. You lack the ability to be objective and be accurate.

On the first Hischier goal, Sanheim and York are both in deep, which is a mistake. Tippett is high in the zone and puck watching while Hischier skates right by him for a breakaway. That's one minus.

On the Smith goal, before the goal is scored, watch how Palat skates right by Tippett to the net wide open for a potential centering pass. Luckily, the Devil with the puck in the corner wasn't in position to pass it. Then on the actual goal, Atkinson lost vision on Smith cutting back door and was his man but Tippett with awareness, was in position to help out and didn't do so. He was again, unaware. Minus #2

On the first Bastian goal, Tippett stops skating at the opposition blueline and tries to stop the puck. It gets past him and he doesn't exactly bust it to get back. He is not the biggest culprit on the goal against. There were numerous misplays but he did not play it the way he should've. Minus #3

On the second Hischier goal, in the beginning of the play, Tippett cuts over to the strong side where there was already 3 Flyers. Losing his spacing and being too far over. His responsibility on that play to protect the weak side and be available for the breakout pass on the weak side wall in systems play. He didn't get there which cause lost possession. He then stood around, drifted into poor position and was caught unaware while Hischier skated right behind him into open ice for a slot shot goal. Minus #4.


Yes, Tippett scored 2 goals on two really nice snipes. However he was horrendous away from the puck and was more of a factor in that loss than Frost was. You won't acknowledge that though because of your bias and most of all because you're completely unaware of what is actually going on out there.







MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:56 AM ET
I think Torts is done with the head games with Frost. It's now up to Frost to $hit or get off the pot. He's getting his chance. No more excuses.
- Phillywhiteout



Frost has 13 points in his last 15 games. Is that poopting or getting off the pot?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:17 AM ET
Frost has 13 points in his last 15 games. Is that poopting or getting off the pot?
- MJL

Crazy just to single out Frost. They put up almost 50 shots, but I didn’t like how they played. Felt like they played a soft game. And it seemed like Ersson was struggling to see the puck.

I was also at the game and it’s not the easiest venue to get perspective on how they are playing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:25 AM ET
Crazy just to single out Frost. They put up almost 50 shots, but I didn’t like how they played. Felt like they played a soft game. And it seemed like Ersson was struggling to see the puck.

I was also at the game and it’s not the easiest venue to get perspective on how they are playing.

- Flyers1218


I don't think the Flyers were soft at all. I thought they were hard on the puck and played with strong effort. They completely dominated the 2nd period. They lost structure in their game on many occasions and they didn't finish enough chances. Ersson wasn't great, left out a couple bad rebounds. Didn't stop a breakaway, I'll won't criticize the goalie on that unless it's a real bad misplay. The 2nd Hischier goal was a really good shot. I think the Bastian goal was a makeable save.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 18 @ 9:42 AM ET
Frost has 13 points in his last 15 games. Is that poopting or getting off the pot?
- MJL
I wanna see him show up in the big games. He looked timid against Florida and he looked timid last night. TK should be captain based on last night. He just gets it and plays his ass off. Did Coots play last night?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 18 @ 9:45 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers were soft at all. I thought they were hard on the puck and played with strong effort. They completely dominated the 2nd period. They lost structure in their game on many occasions and they didn't finish enough chances. Ersson wasn't great, left out a couple bad rebounds. Didn't stop a breakaway, I'll won't criticize the goalie on that unless it's a real bad misplay. The 2nd Hischier goal was a really good shot. I think the Bastian goal was a makeable save.
- MJL
Agreed! I thought the Flyers totally dominated that second period and could have easily put up a 5 spot if they had finishers. WAs very frustrating game from that standpoint and I thought Ersson looked shaky all night. Two bad rebound goals and another goal that was questionable. The other goalie badly outplayed him IMO.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Feb 18 @ 9:47 AM ET
I wanna see him show up in the big games. He looked timid against Florida and he looked timid last night. TK should be captain based on last night. He just gets it and plays his ass off. Did Coots play last night?
- Phillywhiteout

So now its going to focus its idiocy on Coots because it feels Tk was slighted in not being given the C
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:50 AM ET
I wanna see him show up in the big games. He looked timid against Florida and he looked timid last night. TK should be captain based on last night. He just gets it and plays his ass off. Did Coots play last night?
- Phillywhiteout


By big games do you mean against top teams in the league? He recently had 2 assists in a game against Dallas. 2 assists against Colorado, two assists against TBL and a goal and assist against Winnipeg. All top teams in the league. The Flyers named the right guy as Captain in my opinion.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:56 AM ET
I don't think the Flyers were soft at all. I thought they were hard on the puck and played with strong effort. They completely dominated the 2nd period. They lost structure in their game on many occasions and they didn't finish enough chances. Ersson wasn't great, left out a couple bad rebounds. Didn't stop a breakaway, I'll won't criticize the goalie on that unless it's a real bad misplay. The 2nd Hischier goal was a really good shot. I think the Bastian goal was a makeable save.
- MJL

It didn’t feel that way at the game. Felt like a lot of play on the perimeter. They looked like a mess in their own zone.

But like I said, it’s tough to tell at those games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:59 AM ET
It didn’t feel that way at the game. Felt like a lot of play on the perimeter. They looked like a mess in their own zone.

But like I said, it’s tough to tell at those games.

- Flyers1218


They were a mess in their own zone structurally but they weren't soft in my opinion.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 18 @ 10:19 AM ET
By big games do you mean against top teams in the league? He recently had 2 assists in a game against Dallas. 2 assists against Colorado, two assists against TBL and a goal and assist against Winnipeg. All top teams in the league. The Flyers named the right guy as Captain in my opinion.
- MJL
I know you don't agree with this, but it's the physicality that concerns me with this guy too. Florida plays a very physical game (they may be the best team in the league) and last night's game had a very physical element to it, and he just seems timid in those games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 10:30 AM ET
I know you don't agree with this, but it's the physicality that concerns me with this guy too. Florida plays a very physical game (they may be the best team in the league) and last night's game had a very physical element to it, and he just seems timid in those games.
- Phillywhiteout


You're right, I don't agree with it. For a smaller player, Frost holds his own. There is a predisposition of fans, especially Flyers fans for not liking players who aren't in your face or openly aggressive players. That is the case with Frost.
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