I believe those deals were at gaining oanother form of compensation... they helped the Yotes gain the lower floor of the mandatory cap range... Arizona took on bargain contracts with cap greater than salary owed, and was financial rather than future selection oriented; getting the low selections were merely icing on the cake. The Yotes example was really not a proper one. If Danny is to gain better selections for taking on bead contracts -- not saying he should, you do understand -- he of course has to go about it in a different manner than Arizona did. You can call me Captain Obvious on that one. 😏
- ForeverFlyer16

I think everyone is aware that the Yotes took on the contract to get to the cap floor. There are many reasons why a team takes on a bad contract. It was suggested that the Flyers could get a 1st round pick for taking on a bad contract. Has that happened previously? Do you have any examples of a team getting a first round pick to take on a bad contract? I think if you can get involved in a bigger deal, such as the 3 way Provorov deal, you can get a better return.

I think everyone is aware that the Yotes took on the contracts to get to the cap floor. There are many reasons why a team takes on a bad contract. It was suggested that the Flyers could get a 1st round pick for taking on a bad contract. Has that happened previously? Do you have any examples of a team getting a first round pick to take on a bad contract?
- MJL

carolina - marleau

flames - monahan

vegas - clarkson

want to say minny and Florida also made a trade of those ilks. Probably arizona as well.

I think everyone is aware that the Yotes took on the contracts to get to the cap floor. There are many reasons why a team takes on a bad contract. It was suggested that the Flyers could get a 1st round pick for taking on a bad contract. Has that happened previously? Do you have any examples of a team getting a first round pick to take on a bad contract?
- MJL

I was actually supporting you with that post that pointed out the obvious difference... stating that it was a different case than going after high selections for future benefits; I was not arguing with you... All I have to say is that whether or not it has been accomplished to gain first round selections, it certainly could be a goal. I believe taking on dead/bad contracts in package deals as sweetener aspects... or possibly as a third team go-between team has been done to gain various levels of selection improvement; Flyers including Kings in Provolov netted the Flyers a 1st for taking on Peterson's bad contract...albeit only a portion of the convoluted trade(s)... That of course is not the same as taking on a dead contract for a 1st on its own. I'm not going to take the time to research it, but didn't the Golden Knights spend almost their entire entry draft I'm gathering extra or higher selections off of sweetener deals, and/or promises on who'd they select in a similar manner? ... I suppose there is nothing wrong with TRYING to gain a 1st round selection for taking on bad contract(s)... being successful is another story entirely. I'm not arguing your point... merely discussing the topic.

We’ve got two. Imagine if we could get another first? Really help re stock the cupboards. Very important draft needless to say.
- Hextall271

I'd prefer picks from the 2025 draft if it's a late first. The next draft seems to be a little heavier with talent.
But hey... the more the merrier! Package some picks up for a blue chip NHL ready prospecr or an earlier selection 1st rd pick

I was actually supporting you with that post that pointed out the obvious difference... stating that it was a different case than going after high selections for future benefits; I was not arguing with you... All I have to say is that whether or not it has been accomplished to gain first round selections, it certainly could be a goal. I believe taking on dead/bad contracts in package deals as sweetener aspects... or possibly as a third team go-between team has been done to gain various levels of selection improvement; Flyers including Kings in Provolov netted the Flyers a 1st for taking on Peterson's bad contract...albeit only a portion of the convoluted trade(s)... That of course is not the same as taking on a dead contract for a 1st on its own. I'm not going to take the time to research it, but didn't the Golden Knights spend almost their entire entry draft I'm gathering extra or higher selections off of sweetener deals, and/or promises on who'd they select in a similar manner? ... I suppose there is nothing wrong with TRYING to gain a 1st round selection for taking on bad contract(s)... being successful is another story entirely. I'm not arguing your point... merely discussing the topic.
- ForeverFlyer16

I'm doing the same thing and discussing the topic, so what is the issue? I think you can get some good assets by being a 3rd team or taking on a contract but I think getting a 1st is a stretch. The Knights made a lot of deals related to the expansion draft. I don't think that is a repeatable or similar situation.

Have to look at history. Arizona got a 6th round draft pick to take on Voracek. They got a 5th round pick to take on Shea Weber.
- MJL

That's true but I feel that those are different scenarios. They needed to spend to get to the floor at times.
Currently, with cap space being so limited and the parity being so storing amongst the top teams, DB could really wring a team thats desperate for a cup.
And while you mention Arizona, they also got a 2nd in a deep draft to take on Ghost contract, and he was still playing and producing. You juat never know how desperate a GM is at any given tine

That's true but I feel that those are different scenarios. They needed to spend to get to the floor at times.
Currently, with cap space being so limited and the parity being so storing amongst the top teams, DB could really wring a team thats desperate for a cup.
And while you mention Arizona, they also got a 2nd in a deep draft to take on Ghost contract, and he was still playing and producing. You juat never know how desperate a GM is at any given tine
- Bob Habib

I think you could potentially get good assets such as a 2nd or a 3rd or maybe a prospect. I just think getting a 1st is a stretch. Somebody needs to higher Fletcher.

I think everyone is aware that the Yotes took on the contract to get to the cap floor. There are many reasons why a team takes on a bad contract. It was suggested that the Flyers could get a 1st round pick for taking on a bad contract. Has that happened previously? Do you have any examples of a team getting a first round pick to take on a bad contract? I think if you can get involved in a bigger deal, such as the 3 way Provorov deal, you can get a better return.
- MJL

I’m late to the conversation and probably missing the point but Brayden Schenn netted us two first round picks and we had to take on Jori Lehtera who was overpaid and outright terrible.

I'm doing the same thing and discussing the topic, so what is the issue? I think you can get some good assets by being a 3rd team or taking on a contract but I think getting a 1st is a stretch. The Knights made a lot of deals related to the expansion draft. I don't think that is a repeatable or similar situation.
- MJL

I have no issue... Nobody suggested it would be easy; gaining a 1st would take work, and clever dealing. Keith Allen took novel approaches in constructing and maintaining the '70-'80s Flyers... the brilliant moves are often the ones nobody has ever tried or succeeded on before... I see nothing wrong with attempting something different in order to gain an edge: just make sure to not get burned... and certainly not multiple times.

If Danny can gain an edge(s) with short-term bad contract(s), I'm fine with it... as long as the Flyers are not negatively effected short nor long-term. I'm also fine with using lower selections as assets that can be packaged to step up into better selections. I'd personally be fine with gathering lower selections to use to sweeten deals; IMO mid to low round picks are more valuable as in-play assets to use to gain higher picks, or better players/more favorable situations... rather than to use in hopes of hitting on a late sleeper, while using up a contract slot. Again, I digress... I'm not stating anything people don't already know, I do understand.

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That's true but I feel that those are different scenarios. They needed to spend to get to the floor at times.
Currently, with cap space being so limited and the parity being so storing amongst the top teams, DB could really wring a team thats desperate for a cup.
And while you mention Arizona, they also got a 2nd in a deep draft to take on Ghost contract, and he was still playing and producing. You juat never know how desperate a GM is at any given tine
- Bob Habib

A key element for some of the contracts being moved is the insurance. So a team like Arizona has Vorecek and Weber but don’t actually have to pay real dollars. The insurance covers a lot of the cost. As well the cap hit is higher than the actual $ being paid. That was due to higher salaries and bonus’s paid earlier in the contracts.

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- wcorvette

Interesting. Doesn’t shock me though. We’ve played quite a few of the top dogs so far.

Interesting. Doesn’t shock me though. We’ve played quite a few of the top dogs so far.
- Hextall271

Yeah, been waiting for the schedule to get easier, but it's not going to get that much easier anyway. I wonder if the Flyers have been favored in 10 games this year so far? Look at their next 5. No easy games with the exception of Chicago, but with Bedard back who knows since it seems stars eat this team alive. Then there is another brutal stretch from March 7th thru the 21st. All tough teams with the exception of a home game against San Jose. Bottom line is that this team can't take their foot off the gas at all if they expect to make the dance and get Torts that JA award!

That's true but I feel that those are different scenarios. They needed to spend to get to the floor at times.
Currently, with cap space being so limited and the parity being so storing amongst the top teams, DB could really wring a team thats desperate for a cup.
And while you mention Arizona, they also got a 2nd in a deep draft to take on Ghost contract, and he was still playing and producing. You juat never know how desperate a GM is at any given tine
- Bob Habib

Or how stupid

Yeah, been waiting for the schedule to get easier, but it's not going to get that much easier anyway. I wonder if the Flyers have been favored in 10 games this year so far? Look at their next 5. No easy games with the exception of Chicago, but with Bedard back who knows since it seems stars eat this team alive. Then there is another brutal stretch from March 7th thru the 21st. All tough teams with the exception of a home game against San Jose. Bottom line is that this team can't take their foot off the gas at all if they expect to make the dance and get Torts that JA award!
- Phillywhiteout

You'd have to imagine the scheduling would have to tilt in the Flyers favor at some point... The Flyers have played more games than any other team it seems, from way back in the season... at some point you'd think the other teams would be having to play a more compacted schedule... while the Flyers could possibly pace themselves better, and enter the postseason (hopefully) fresher... while the others would have to press under a higher pressure situation, trying to catch up and either gain a spot... or get in better situation. That's said the Flyers have thrived playing more games, so it's not safe to assume the others can't... What we do know is that, providing it's handled properly, the Flyers should be the fresher team come the spring. 🤞

We’ve got two. Imagine if we could get another first? Really help re stock the cupboards. Very important draft needless to say.
- Hextall271

Yeah but not a great draft to stockpile 20+ ranges picks...draft not deep. Need to move up to get a quality D prospect

ok lets see what we're arguing about today

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- wcorvette

So the rangers played the 30th hardest schedule so far and have the 18th hardest schedule to go? How?

Interesting. Doesn’t shock me though. We’ve played quite a few of the top dogs so far.
- Hextall271

We just can't beat the other teams in the Metro. Kind of like our kryptonite

We just can't beat the other teams in the Metro. Kind of like our kryptonite
- Bayareaflyer

We have to show that we can consistently beat the rangers devils Carolina pitt etc. we’ve been better this year but will have to step it up down the stretch. A regulation win today would be huge but I’m not banking on it with NJ fully healthy ( except for Hamilton I guess)

We have to show that we can consistently beat the rangers devils Carolina pitt etc. we’ve been better this year but will have to step it up down the stretch. A regulation win today would be huge but I’m not banking on it with NJ fully healthy ( except for Hamilton I guess)
- Hextall271

I never feel like the flyers should win lol. I’ve been in a state of shock for most of the year

And while you mention Arizona, they also got a 2nd in a deep draft to take on Ghost contract, and he was still playing and producing. You juat never know how desperate a GM is at any given tine
- Bob Habib

Gotta wait for another team to hire Chuck Fletcher first

I never feel like the flyers should win lol. I’ve been in a state of shock for most of the year
- Just5

Eventually we have to get there. In shocked how this year has transpired as well. Have to give kudos to the team for doing so well despite critics counting them out. I thought they’d be bottom 10 in the league tbh.

Gotta wait for another team to hire Chuck Fletcher first
- Tomahawk

Chuck fletcher with chiarelli and milbury as assistants. Open for business!

Chuck fletcher with chiarelli and milbury as assistants. Open for business!
- Hextall271

Imagine trying to get that front office on the line haha, constant busy signals.

Speed dial #1 for every other GM.