Cant say he had zero value because Fletcher was the guy driving the trade bus
- THE BLACK HAND

No doubt. Look at what Fletcher paid for Ristolainen! Myself and many others knew that was a bad deal the day it was made. Now for the Flyers to have a chance of trading him, they'll probably have to retain 50% and take a poor return. Ristolainen is on the fast track to being a potential buyout candidate.

Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
PHI and Walker have yet to start negotiations; both sides briefly spoke in Toronto last week but no formal talks.

PHI feels $4-4.5M AAV is fair while the Walker camp wants something in the $5-5.5M range.

Term and trade protection will play a factor in how all this plays out.



Here it comes

practice what you preach cliff. always calling peeps names.
- hello it's me 2050

[O&B Puckcast] Friedge on #32Thoughts feels that the tide could be shifting towards re-signing Walker in part because if he leaves, the Flyers would be asking Drysdale to do things (defensively?) that he can’t do just yet. The AAV has to be right though. Flyers want low to mid 4’s for AAV…

They just can’t get out of their own way
- StepfordSam

JFC

Cant say he had zero value because Fletcher was the guy driving the trade bus
- THE BLACK HAND

sure you can, not one good team with a good gm wanted him to help their team. the guy was turd.

[O&B Puckcast] Friedge on #32Thoughts feels that the tide could be shifting towards re-signing Walker in part because if he leaves, the Flyers would be asking Drysdale to do things (defensively?) that he can’t do just yet. The AAV has to be right though. Flyers want low to mid 4’s for AAV…

They just can’t get out of their own way
- StepfordSam

Drysdale can be protected. Over play Marc Staal this year and if need be, sign a short term player for a year for next season if need be. Get the future assets. This shouldn't shock anyone.

- MBFlyerfan

omg

doesnt change anything I said does it?

Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
PHI and Walker have yet to start negotiations; both sides briefly spoke in Toronto last week but no formal talks.

PHI feels $4-4.5M AAV is fair while the Walker camp wants something in the $5-5.5M range.

Term and trade protection will play a factor in how all this plays out.



Here it comes
- StepfordSam

when you see RR getting 5+ Walker is 100% correct in asking the flyers for more.

No term mentioned???

Cam, just a drag out there, move Farabee away from him. Laughton, unless blown away will be a move at the draft. We need the bottom to fall out, that way they sell all. That said, I won't fault them to what makes sense to make the playoffs. You have to move Walker. Unless you have a magic move that brings you a #1 D and C.

Cam, just a drag out there, move Farabee away from him. Laughton, unless blown away will be a move at the draft. We need the bottom to fall out, that way they sell all. That said, I won't fault them to what makes sense to make the playoffs. You have to move Walker. Unless you have a magic move that brings you a #1 D and C.
- wcorvette

pleas define "blown away"

omg

doesnt change anything I said does it?
- hello it's me 2050

Doesn’t carry any weight either.

Cam, just a drag out there, move Farabee away from him. Laughton, unless blown away will be a move at the draft. We need the bottom to fall out, that way they sell all. That said, I won't fault them to what makes sense to make the playoffs. You have to move Walker. Unless you have a magic move that brings you a #1 D and C.
- wcorvette

If they resign Seeler and Walker and don’t move Laughton at the deadline they would completely sink any good will the new regime has received. You can’t just say the words rebuild and not trade anyone at this deadline. It won’t fly with the fans.

TK didn't exactly bust it on the OT line change in Toronto and took an awful, selfish penalty in the Stadium Series.
- Bill Meltzer

Actually, I thought Laughton should have stayed on the ice on that line change in Toronto, but I blame Torts in the first place for starting who he did in the OT against Toronto. The best defense is a good offense, so Frost, Tippet and Drysdale are the guys I want starting OT for this team. But even if TK took a bad penalty, he had 2 assists, lead the forwards in minutes and was all over the ice every single shift. He was noticeable and there is a lot more good from TK than bad, a lot more.

Here is where your ignorance comes in. Konecny wasn't able to be that player, to bring that consistent level to his game or even approach that until he played 5 seasons and about 350 NHL games. Frost has played 203 NHL games and Frost's all around game is at this point in time ahead of where Konency's game was at that point in time in level of experience. Yet you repeatedly try to compare Frost to Konecny.

How about Tippett's train wreck of a game away from the puck against NJ?
- MJL

Oh, you mean the player that scored twice on snipes and had 10 shots? I am not comparing Frost to Konecny in terms of production, I am using TK as an example of a player that brings it every single game. Frost has brought it in about 100 of the 203 NHL games he has played. So please, I told you already, stop embarrassing yourself.

It’s going to depend on what the offer is for Laughton. They are not going to give the guy away. This might have been the overall plan but it also depends on what the Flyers are offering both Walker and Seeler right now and if they think they can do better on the open market.
As far as Risto. If they do move him, the return won’t be much unless they retain $. I’m not sure with three full years left it’s all that great of a move. I actually thought if he stayed healthy then it might have been a move at the deadline…there have been reports that a few team kicked the tires.
I do have a question though regarding Walker and Seeler….if you sign both these guys closing in on 30 what does that tell you the Flyers thoughts on Andrea, Attard, Ginning or Grans? Signing guys to multi year deals at that age does not say “rebuild” what so ever and although I like both guys basically screams the “same old Flyers”….at least the last two GMs were honest with their plans…failed as they were.
- landros 2

This is a good question and one I have pondered also. What it leads me to believe is the Flyers brass does not think any are ready or they may look to move them in a trade for a bigger fish. I do believe there was a chance Risto could be moved at the deadline, but with his injury that is probably dead. The Flyers do get about $2.3M in dead money off the books this year, so they can retain some salary for Risto, but I would not retain that much. I still believe Risto would be a bargain for a team at 3 x $4M per, especially with the cap going up.

If they resign Seeler and Walker and don’t move Laughton at the deadline they would completely sink any good will the new regime has received. You can’t just say the words rebuild and not trade anyone at this deadline. It won’t fly with the fans.
- psuhockey

sure it will, a large part as well

Actually, I thought Laughton should have stayed on the ice on that line change in Toronto, but I blame Torts in the first place for starting who he did in the OT against Toronto. The best defense is a good offense, so Frost, Tippet and Drysdale are the guys I want starting OT for this team. But even if TK took a bad penalty, he had 2 assists, lead the forwards in minutes and was all over the ice every single shift. He was noticeable and there is a lot more good from TK than bad, a lot more.
- jd250

As bad as Tippet was away from the puck, I don't want him out there against any of the top Toronto offensive players but there isn't much choice if you want to play your best goal scorer in OT. Tortorella will always choose defense first. That goal was not on Tortorella though.

Oh, you mean the player that scored twice on snipes and had 10 shots?
- jd250

Tipp was also on the ice for five goals against in a 6-3 loss.

How bad does a guy need to play defensively to register 10 shots and come away with an xGF% of 17.8%?

This is a good question and one I have pondered also. What it leads me to believe is the Flyers brass does not think any are ready or they may look to move them in a trade for a bigger fish. I do believe there was a chance Risto could be moved at the deadline, but with his injury that is probably dead. The Flyers do get about $2.3M in dead money off the books this year, so they can retain some salary for Risto, but I would not retain that much. I still believe Risto would be a bargain for a team at 3 x $4M per, especially with the cap going up.
- jd250

yeah they have so much value

Oh, you mean the player that scored twice on snipes and had 10 shots? I am not comparing Frost to Konecny in terms of production, I am using TK as an example of a player that brings it every single game. Frost has brought it in about 100 of the 203 NHL games he has played. So please, I told you already, stop embarrassing yourself.
- jd250

I mean the player that was -4 in the game and was a train wreck away from the puck. Not only haven't you mentioned that, but you're obviously not even aware of how poorly he played away from the puck. It just more proof that you're completely incapable of accurately assessing anything in the game of hockey. Even when it is explained to you in clear language, complete with factual data to support it, you're incapable of grasping even the simplest concept on the difference between Konecny and Frost in experience and why you're a fool for continuing to make that comparison.

Tipp was also on the ice for five goals against in a 6-3 loss.

How bad does a guy need to play defensively to register 10 shots and come away with an xGF% of 17.8%?
- Tomahawk

He has no clue.

sure it will, a large part as well
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t think so this time. Imagine they resign Walker and Seeler and keep Laughton and still miss the playoffs. That would absolutely torpedo the goodwill around the team.

As bad as Tippet was away from the puck, I don't want him out there against any of the top Toronto offensive players but there isn't much choice if you want to play your best goal scorer in OT. Tortorella will always choose defense first. That goal was not on Tortorella though.
- MJL

I know Torts will choose defense first and I don't agree with it, especially when you are up against Matthews and Marner, and then Nylander. There is no defense against those players 3 on 3 with all that open ice. The best choice is to put your most skilled players on the ice, hope to get puck possession and make those players defend. Not going to do that with Laughton and Sanheim out there.

I don’t think so this time. Imagine they resign Walker and Seeler and keep Laughton and still miss the playoffs. That would absolutely torpedo the goodwill around the team.
- psuhockey

we shall see. many thinking playoffs and a "run" still imo.

if they miss the playoffs at this time, than that is a total collapse. They control their own fate.

Tipp was also on the ice for five goals against in a 6-3 loss.

How bad does a guy need to play defensively to register 10 shots and come away with an xGF% of 17.8%?
- Tomahawk

Is this a joke? One of the goals was an empty net, and a few others Tippet had nothing to do it. +/- is the most useless stat in hockey, and xGF is not that far behind. Look, Tippet's job is to score goals and generate chances, and he did that in this game.