I know Torts will choose defense first and I don't agree with it, especially when you are up against Matthews and Marner, and then Nylander. There is no defense against those players 3 on 3 with all that open ice. The best choice is to put your most skilled players on the ice, hope to get puck possession and make those players defend. Not going to do that with Laughton and Sanheim out there.
- jd250

agree 100%

yeah they have so much value
- hello it's me 2050

Not by themselves, but in a package with picks or other veteran players.

I know Torts will choose defense first and I don't agree with it, especially when you are up against Matthews and Marner, and then Nylander. There is no defense against those players 3 on 3 with all that open ice. The best choice is to put your most skilled players on the ice, hope to get puck possession and make those players defend. Not going to do that with Laughton and Sanheim out there.
- jd250

Matthews wasn't out there for the shift in OT when the goal was scored. Nylander scored the goal.

goaltending effects the record more no doubt. That cant pin on the coaching staff.

I more looking at individual play. No one has taken a step forward from the group they expected to. that is a huge problem to me. So it seems lappy is good to go.

Appreciate the response Bill.
- hello it's me 2050

Their "system" and style of play is atrocious. Goaltending has prevented them from being good, but they shoould be losing games 5-5 not 5-1

agree 100%
- hello it's me 2050

MJL just doesn't have a clue, but you being one of the smart ones on this forum know that already.

Matthews wasn't out there for the first shift in OT when the goal was scored. Nylander started. He scored the goal.
- MJL

Your missing the point .. again, none of us are surprised.

MJL just doesn't have a clue, but you being one of the smart ones on this forum know that already.
- jd250

Showing that you again, have a reading comprehension issue. I haven't stated that I disagree with going offense on offense in OT.

Your missing the point .. again, but none of us are surprised.
- jd250

Another use of a fallacy. Another poor assumption on your part. I never thought it was possible but you're making yourself look like a bigger fool than normal.

Is this a joke? One of the goals was an empty net, and a few others Tippet had nothing to do it. +/- is the most useless stat in hockey, and xGF is not that far behind. Look, Tippet's job is to score goals and generate chances, and he did that in this game.
- jd250

You've used xGF numerous times. Now it's not a good stat. You're completely wrong on Tippet. As if he is not responsible for playing both sides of the puck? He doesn't have to play his position away from the puck well? He was a train wreck in that game away from the puck and he often is. Which is why despite being the teams top goal scorer he has a GF% of 44.44% while Frost sits at 60.98%. Tippet has the worst GA/60 of any forward on the team at 3.59%

we shall see. many thinking playoffs and a "run" still imo.

if they miss the playoffs at this time, than that is a total collapse. They control their own fate.
- hello it's me 2050

I wouldn’t call it a total collapse. New Jersey is only 5 points back with two games in hand and could potentially load up at the deadline. Detroit is only 3 with two games in hand and they too will probably add at the deadline. This is closer than many think.

I wouldn’t call it a total collapse. New Jersey is only 5 points back with two games in hand and could potentially load up at the deadline. Detroit is only 3 with two games in hand and they too will probably add at the deadline. This is closer than many think.
- psuhockey

fair enough, curious to see what the wings do. Is yzerman under any pressure? if so how much?

fair enough, curious to see what the wings do. Is yzerman under any pressure? if so how much?
- hello it's me 2050

He’s under a little; enough to make a move. This would be his 5 straight year out of the playoffs.

He’s under a little; enough to make a move. This would be his 5 straight year out of the playoffs.
- psuhockey

does he keep tor trade ghost!!

who is lining up to take RR? provide some teams and why.
- hello it's me 2050

any team that wants a depth D he's very tradeable if we eat max salary

Tipp was also on the ice for five goals against in a 6-3 loss.

How bad does a guy need to play defensively to register 10 shots and come away with an xGF% of 17.8%?
- Tomahawk

Did he have anything to do with the goals against? Your boy Frost sure did 😂

Did he have anything to do with the goals against? Your boy Frost sure did 😂
- ClaudeFather

Do you know if Tippet had anything to do with the goals against?

any team that wants a depth D he's very tradeable if we eat max salary
- 2Real

dont agree he is very tradable with 50% retention. he has zero playoff experience to boot.

why would you want to handcuff yourself with 3 years of retention? makes no sense for where the flyers are at currently.

so you retain and save 2.5 per year. Have to replace him with say a player at 1 million. So saving 1.5. Rather just wait out his contract at this point. Re-evaluate in another year.

... and a few others Tippet had nothing to do it.
- jd250

Watch again.

Tipp was pretty much directly responsible for the Hischier breakaway. York pinched in and Tipp was so focused on camping at the top of the circles to receive a pass that he didn't rotate back to cover the point. TK also was doing god knows what on that play double pinching.

On the Smith goal he was puck watching and failed to switch off with York down low, opening up a clear path to the net which Smith took.

On the Bastian goal he fails to cut off the outlet pass off the glass at the blueline that could have prevented the Devils rush. Won't "blame" him for that goal but it was one misplay in a series of misplays that led to that goal.

And on the 2nd Hischier goal he was playing oblivious defense again, pure puck watching. If he had his head on a swivel he might have seen Hischier sneaking up behind him. The coverage on that play by the entire team was hilariously bad.


I agree that some players you have to just ignore the fact that they suck w/o the puck b/c they are they score so many goals. But we're talking about a guy who's never broken 30 before in his life. If he wants the OV treatment he'd better start scoring a whole lot more.

Do you know if Tippet had anything to do with the goals against?
- MJL

Some people apparently need Ray Ferraro to point things out to them

Do you know if Tippet had anything to do with the goals against?
- MJL

Michigan Captain Jacob Truscott will be not be signing with the canucks. Will be testing free agency.

Think the flyers should have any interest cliff?

TK didn't exactly bust it on the OT line change in Toronto and took an awful, selfish penalty in the Stadium Series.
- bmeltzer

I'm not so sure that was an awful penalty (might have been selfish). Smith and TK have a history from the last game played in Philly, and if you watch the play leading up to TK's penalty Smith snuck him with a sneaky hit that dropped TK to the ice on his face. I'd be pissed too!!

Watch again.

Tipp was pretty much directly responsible for the Hischier breakaway. York pinched in and Tipp was so focused on camping at the top of the circles to receive a pass that he didn't rotate back to cover the point. TK also was doing god knows what on that play double pinching.

On the Smith goal he was puck watching and failed to switch off with York down low, opening up a clear path to the net which Smith took.

On the Bastian goal he fails to cut off the outlet pass off the glass at the blueline that could have prevented the Devils rush. Won't "blame" him for that goal but it was one misplay in a series of misplays that led to that goal.

And on the 2nd Hischier goal he was playing oblivious defense again, pure puck watching. If he had his head on a swivel he might have seen Hischier sneaking up behind him. The coverage on that play by the entire team was hilariously bad.


I agree that some players you have to just ignore the fact that they suck w/o the puck b/c they are they score so many goals. But we're talking about a guy who's never broken 30 before in his life. If he wants the OV treatment he'd better start scoring a whole lot more.
- Tomahawk

On the first Bastian goal, after gambling to stop the puck at the blueline, he didn't exactly bust his ass on the back check.

Also on the Smith goal, before the goal was scored, watch how Palat skates right by him to the net unchecked while Tippet stares into space. Luckily the Devil with the puck in the corner was not in position to center the puck at that time.

If Frost had a game like that away from the puck, he would be getting killed for it, even if he scored a couple of goals.

On the first Bastian goal, after gambling to stop the puck at the blueline, he didn't exactly bust his ass on the back check.

Also on the Smith goal, before the goal was scored, watch how Palat skates right by him to the net unchecked while Tippet stares into space. Luckily the Devil with the puck in the corner was not in position to center the puck at that time.

If Frost had a game like that away from the puck, he would be getting killed for it, even if he scored a couple of goals.
- MJL

Kid was just a pilon out there. Zero awareness.

It must be really hard for his mates to play team defense around him.

You've used xGF numerous times. Now it's not a good stat. You're completely wrong on Tippet. As if he is not responsible for playing both sides of the puck? He doesn't have to play his position away from the puck well? He was a train wreck in that game away from the puck and he often is. Which is why despite being the teams top goal scorer he has a GF% of 44.44% while Frost sits at 60.98%. Tippet has the worst GA/60 of any forward on the team at 3.59%
- MJL

What do your eyes tell you? Do your eyes tell you Frost is a better offensive player than Tippet is? They probably do but for the rest of us, I think the answer is pretty clear. Tippet is always going to take risks offensively because that is what he supposed to do, that is type of player he is and that is why he just got a huge contract extension. I never care about defensive stats with my top offensive players, because they just don't matter. I want my top offensive players to take risks and if that means they give up a few goals so be it, just as long as they are scoring more than are giving up. As long as Tippet is taking intelligent risks and working hard to retrieve the puck, I am happy with his play.

Now let's talk about xGF%. In Arizona, guess who had the highest xGF% 5v5 in that game for the Flyers? If you guess Frost at 54% you would be wrong, it was Noah Cates at 77%. How about against Toronto. If you guess Frost at 12% you would be wrong again, it was Garnett Hathaway at 88%! How about the Devils? Well if you picked Frost at 24% you would be wrong again. The highest xGF 5v5 in that game was .. brace yourself .. Nick Freak'n Deslauriers at 90%!! So what is this stat telling us? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The rookie mistake you are making is you cannot look at one stat in isolation and draw and conclusions. Any stat in isolation is meaningless. That is why you have to first watch the games closely, then look at several stats together before you draw any conclusions. As my mentor Mr. Palpatine once taught me:

"If one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it’s aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace ... a larger view of the force"

Watch again.

Tipp was pretty much directly responsible for the Hischier breakaway. York pinched in and Tipp was so focused on camping at the top of the circles to receive a pass that he didn't rotate back to cover the point. TK also was doing god knows what on that play double pinching.

On the Smith goal he was puck watching and failed to switch off with York down low, opening up a clear path to the net which Smith took.

On the Bastian goal he fails to cut off the outlet pass off the glass at the blueline that could have prevented the Devils rush. Won't "blame" him for that goal but it was one misplay in a series of misplays that led to that goal.

And on the 2nd Hischier goal he was playing oblivious defense again, pure puck watching. If he had his head on a swivel he might have seen Hischier sneaking up behind him. The coverage on that play by the entire team was hilariously bad.


I agree that some players you have to just ignore the fact that they suck w/o the puck b/c they are they score so many goals. But we're talking about a guy who's never broken 30 before in his life. If he wants the OV treatment he'd better start scoring a whole lot more.
- Tomahawk

Tippet is on pace to score 33 goals this year, and if he gets hot down the stretch could score more than 35 goals. What do you want from him?