dont agree he is very tradable with 50% retention. he has zero playoff experience to boot.

why would you want to handcuff yourself with 3 years of retention? makes no sense for where the flyers are at currently.

so you retain and save 2.5 per year. Have to replace him with say a player at 1 million. So saving 1.5. Rather just wait out his contract at this point. Re-evaluate in another year.
- hello it's me 2050

I think they should dump him as soon as possible if there is any interest. If he keeps breaking down, the Flyers could be left with a buyout situation as the only way to get any of his cap off the books.

Combining a 50% retention with a Walker extension is moronic though. The only way it could make sense is if they then trade Sanheim to Calgary for futures but if the whole reason to resign Walker is to shelter Drysdale, I doubt that is even a thought in their minds.

What do your eyes tell you? Do your eyes tell you Frost is a better offensive player than Tippet is? They probably do but for the rest of us, I think the answer is pretty clear. Tippet is always going to take risks offensively because that is what he supposed to do, that is type of player he is and that is why he just got a huge contract extension. I never care about defensive stats with my top offensive players, because they just don't matter. I want my top offensive players to take risks and if that means they give up a few goals so be it, just as long as they are scoring more than are giving up. As long as Tippet is taking intelligent risks and working hard to retrieve the puck, I am happy with his play.

Now let's talk about xGF%. In Arizona, guess who had the highest xGF% 5v5 in that game for the Flyers? If you guess Frost at 54% you would be wrong, it was Noah Cates at 77%. How about against Toronto. If you guess Frost at 12% you would be wrong again, it was Garnett Hathaway at 88%! How about the Devils? Well if you picked Frost at 24% you would be wrong again. The highest xGF 5v5 in that game was .. brace yourself .. Nick Freak'n Deslauriers at 90%!! So what is this stat telling us? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The rookie mistake you are making is you cannot look at one stat in isolation and draw and conclusions. Any stat in isolation is meaningless. That is why you have to first watch the games closely, then look at several stats together before you draw any conclusions. As my mentor Mr. Palpatine once taught me:

"If one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it’s aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace ... a larger view of the force"
- jd250

would that not be one morgan frostky?

What do your eyes tell you? Do your eyes tell you Frost is a better offensive player than Tippet is? They probably do but for the rest of us, I think the answer is pretty clear. Tippet is always going to take risks offensively because that is what he supposed to do, that is type of player he is and that is why he just got a huge contract extension. I never care about defensive stats with my top offensive players, because they just don't matter. I want my top offensive players to take risks and if that means they give up a few goals so be it, just as long as they are scoring more than are giving up. As long as Tippet is taking intelligent risks and working hard to retrieve the puck, I am happy with his play.

Now let's talk about xGF%. In Arizona, guess who had the highest xGF% 5v5 in that game for the Flyers? If you guess Frost at 54% you would be wrong, it was Noah Cates at 77%. How about against Toronto. If you guess Frost at 12% you would be wrong again, it was Garnett Hathaway at 88%! How about the Devils? Well if you picked Frost at 24% you would be wrong again. The highest xGF 5v5 in that game was .. brace yourself .. Nick Freak'n Deslauriers at 90%!! So what is this stat telling us? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The rookie mistake you are making is you cannot look at one stat in isolation and draw and conclusions. Any stat in isolation is meaningless. That is why you have to first watch the games closely, then look at several stats together before you draw any conclusions. As my mentor Mr. Palpatine once taught me:

"If one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it’s aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace ... a larger view of the force"
- jd250

My eyes tell me that Frost is a better all around player than Tippet is and if Tippet wants to be a really good player, he needs to learn to play better away from the puck. I stopped reading your post at that point. All I needed to see.

I think they should dump him as soon as possible if there is any interest. If he keeps breaking down, the Flyers could be left with a buyout situation as the only way to get any of his cap off the books.

Combining a 50% retention with a Walker extension is moronic though. The only way it could make sense is if they then trade Sanheim to Calgary for futures but if the whole reason to resign Walker is to shelter Drysdale, I doubt that is even a thought in their minds.
- psuhockey

hw does he keep breaking down? also I think this "interest" was phantom interest really. Like frostskys points....

there is an argument for both sides. I just do not see the point at this time.

Tippet is on pace to score 33 goals this year, and if he gets hot down the stretch could score more than 35 goals. What do you want from him?
- jd250

To play better away from the puck. If he scores 35 but the team that he's playing against scores 45 when he's out there due to his poor defensive play, is that a positive or a negative? That's what you don't get.

Your missing the point .. again, none of us are surprised.
- jd250

Actually you were correct. The leafs started overtime with Matthews, Marner and Mcabe. I was 30 feet away …lol. I said to my buddies that’s why Torts had Laughton out there….I swear some guys don’t actually watch these games.

It was Iaughton with, Tippet and Sanheim for the Flyers….

Tippet is on pace to score 33 goals this year, and if he gets hot down the stretch could score more than 35 goals. What do you want from him?
- jd250

Stop playing D like his xbox controller is disconnected... or double his goal totals.

What do your eyes tell you? Do your eyes tell you Frost is a better offensive player than Tippet is? They probably do but for the rest of us, I think the answer is pretty clear. Tippet is always going to take risks offensively because that is what he supposed to do, that is type of player he is and that is why he just got a huge contract extension. I never care about defensive stats with my top offensive players, because they just don't matter. I want my top offensive players to take risks and if that means they give up a few goals so be it, just as long as they are scoring more than are giving up. As long as Tippet is taking intelligent risks and working hard to retrieve the puck, I am happy with his play.

Now let's talk about xGF%. In Arizona, guess who had the highest xGF% 5v5 in that game for the Flyers? If you guess Frost at 54% you would be wrong, it was Noah Cates at 77%. How about against Toronto. If you guess Frost at 12% you would be wrong again, it was Garnett Hathaway at 88%! How about the Devils? Well if you picked Frost at 24% you would be wrong again. The highest xGF 5v5 in that game was .. brace yourself .. Nick Freak'n Deslauriers at 90%!! So what is this stat telling us? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The rookie mistake you are making is you cannot look at one stat in isolation and draw and conclusions. Any stat in isolation is meaningless. That is why you have to first watch the games closely, then look at several stats together before you draw any conclusions. As my mentor Mr. Palpatine once taught me:

"If one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it’s aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace ... a larger view of the force"
- jd250

Tippet has less responsibility and ZERO fear of being scratched

hw does he keep breaking down? also I think this "interest" was phantom interest really. Like frostskys points....

there is an argument for both sides. I just do not see the point at this time.
- hello it's me 2050

He hasn’t played a full season 2019-2020. I doubt it gets better in his 30’s

I think there is interest because teams always talk themselves into the need for toughness come playoff time. The Flyers will have to retain if they are ever going to move him so why wait to retain his last year or last two years. Just get on with it.

He hasn’t played a full season 2019-2020. I doubt it gets better in his 30’s

I think there is interest because teams always talk themselves into the need for toughness come playoff time. The Flyers will have to retain if they are ever going to move him so why wait to retain his last year or last two years. Just get on with it.
- psuhockey

he played 66 first year with flyers. do not recall why he missed those games.

played 74 last year and he was a healthy scratch numerous ties.

not a concern for me.

if he had a track record of playoff hockey I might buy it. Why wait? well things can change over time. You then handcuff your ability to retain on someone in the next 3 years. Many things can and will change.

he is sunk cost and isn't killing the team at the moment. Need to keep as much flexibility as possible then next few years imo. At the end of the day the savings are not all that much. Wait a year or so then if needed look into a buyout.

He hasn’t played a full season 2019-2020. I doubt it gets better in his 30’s

I think there is interest because teams always talk themselves into the need for toughness come playoff time. The Flyers will have to retain if they are ever going to move him so why wait to retain his last year or last two years. Just get on with it.
- psuhockey

There is interest due to salary retention. Ristolainen on your 3rd pair at 5.1M, probably not much interest. At 2.55M though, serviceable. What happened to all the talk about how much improved his is? He is heading down the path of a buyout and then finishing out his career as a role player on the cheap for somebody.

[O&B Puckcast] Friedge on #32Thoughts feels that the tide could be shifting towards re-signing Walker in part because if he leaves, the Flyers would be asking Drysdale to do things (defensively?) that he can’t do just yet. The AAV has to be right though. Flyers want low to mid 4’s for AAV…

They just can’t get out of their own way
- StepfordSam

Holy f@ck. Like, why?

Anthony Di Marco
@ADiMarco25
PHI and Walker have yet to start negotiations; both sides briefly spoke in Toronto last week but no formal talks.

PHI feels $4-4.5M AAV is fair while the Walker camp wants something in the $5-5.5M range.

Term and trade protection will play a factor in how all this plays out.



Here it comes
- StepfordSam

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Coots is 0-1-1 as Captain...

Coots is 0-1-1 as Captain...
- cdearth23

Guy can’t motivate a soul.

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- Pelle31Forever

Because playoffs equal dollar signs. Ownership is onboard with rebuilds until they see quick boosts in their bottom line.

They need to stay the course. At all costs.

Because playoffs equal dollar signs. Ownership is onboard with rebuilds until they see quick boosts in their bottom line.

They need to stay the course. At all costs.
- Flyers1218

They need to plan for the future. A future. Walker ain't it. Money aside I'm curious to see what the term would look like.

Holy f@ck. Like, why?
- Pelle31Forever

I take this as TDL speak. Say we value him and how much we want him so everyone knows they need to come with legit offers and not going to be lowballed.

that is valid to me. Though I would think they would prefer other options. 3 years still a lot of term for a guy who will likely regress further.

Also Calgary will not be rebuilding the GM said. So will they waste over 5 million on RR?
- hello it's me

What about Sanheim? Calgary is his home towm area, and from what I have read, they are looking to pick up contracts with term to ensure they are keeping some players long term.

I think Sanheim would be open to it, and rids the Flyers of a longer than needed contract.

What about Sanheim? Calgary is his home towm area, and from what I have read, they are looking to pick up contracts with term to ensure they are keeping some players long term.

I think Sanheim would be open to it, and rids the Flyers of a longer than needed contract.
- TheFreak

he has a NTC correct? who knows what the flyers think of him at the moment. he hasn't played well less the first 6 weeks. Will the flyers ever be good enough to put him in the role he should be in to be effective? I doubt it.

flames would probably be interested based on they need some long term security with players.

Best move for DB to make would be to trade contracts for Ellis, Hayes, Angelo... to Coyotes for relief.

Are we even allowed to trade a buyout or retention...

Best move for DB to make would be to trade contracts for Ellis, Hayes, Angelo... to Coyotes for relief.

Are we even allowed to trade a buyout or retention...
- cdearth23

No, you can't trade a buyout or retention cap hits.

To play better away from the puck. If he scores 35 but the team that he's playing against scores 45 when he's out there due to his poor defensive play, is that a positive or a negative? That's what you don't get.
- MJL

Tippett needs to be better defensively but the opening goal was not on him. The ref involved himself in the play

Tippett needs to be better defensively but the opening goal was not on him. The ref involved himself in the play
- Just5

The opening goal was absolutely on him. He was F3 and he got caught staring at the puck and losing awareness. Just as he did numerous times in the game.

I take this as TDL speak. Say we value him and how much we want him so everyone knows they need to come with legit offers and not going to be lowballed.
- J35Bacher

Valid point.