And yet they’re in prime position to draft #1 again. The hawks have it figured out.
- Just5

Would you be surprised if they got the #1 overall?...Bedard needs a running mate don't you know.

Getting Celebrini would be nuts...

https://www.tsn.ca/video/...ranchise-player%7E2869966

Your hero Montgomery is getting fired this year once the Bruins are once again knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, mark it down.
- jd250

More jd fantasy. Montgomery lost his top 2 centers and has the team in contention for the Presidents trophy again. He'll get Jack Adams consideration.

How much of it is due to the normal maturation of players such as Konecny, Farabee and Tippet?
- MJL

And how much of their development and maturation is due to Torts' coaching?

Would you be surprised if they got the #1 overall?...Bedard needs a running mate don't you know.

Getting Celebrini would be nuts...

https://www.tsn.ca/video/...ranchise-player%7E2869966
- TheFreak

Add these to Nazar and Moore .. quite a formidable future top 6.

Good points! You are right, I guess Miller has done it enough now to say he is also at an elite level. So just another player on Vancouver the Flyers have no counterpart for. Tocchet has certainly done a lot to get the most out of this team, but I also wonder how much is due to Hughes and Pettersson's just normal maturation as players and leaders.
- jd250

Coaches get too much credit when their teams play well, and too much blame when their teams play poorly.

In Vancouver's case, I think it was just a matter of the team finally playing up to its level of talent and some key youngsters taking the next steps. Maybe Tocchet was able to facilitate that growth or maybe he's just arrived at the right place, right time. He certainly wasn't very good in Arizona.

Your hero Montgomery is getting fired this year once the Bruins are once again knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, mark it down.
- jd250

Highly doubt that will happen.

I can see Toronto getting a new coach if they miss or stumble again. Not sure what other coaches would beon the hot seat.

More jd fantasy. Montgomery lost his top 2 centers and has the team in contention for the Presidents trophy again. He'll get Jack Adams consideration.
- MJL

You would not know this because you don't live around Boston and don't follow the Bruins, but Sweeny and Neely pretty much laid the blame on last year's 1st round exit on Montgomery. If it happens again, award or not, he will be the fall guy and be fired.

Coaches get too much credit when their teams play well, and too much blame when their teams play poorly.

In Vancouver's case, I think it was just a matter of the team finally playing up to its level of talent and some key youngsters taking the next steps. Maybe Tocchet was able to facilitate that growth or maybe he's just arrived at the right place, right time. He certainly wasn't very good in Arizona.
- Tomahawk

exactly

Quantify how Tortorella has done more with less?
- MJL

state your case how he hasnt cliff

Coaches get too much credit when their teams play well, and too much blame when their teams play poorly.

In Vancouver's case, I think it was just a matter of the team finally playing up to its level of talent and some key youngsters taking the next steps. Maybe Tocchet was able to facilitate that growth or maybe he's just arrived at the right place, right time. He certainly wasn't very good in Arizona.
- Tomahawk

I haven't watched any Vancouver hockey next to the 2 games against Philly this year, but from what the locals are raving about is his systems, his way of communicating what he expects and gets from the players, how he deals with a players struggles (Kuzmenko), and how much fun and positive he is to play for and be around. The players have bought in, because he has them believing, and they have kept it up because they are seeing the results. They genuinely love playing for him.

Add these to Nazar and Moore .. quite a formidable future top 6.
- jd250

It will be interesting if they will be successful with the change in players salary demands and the new rules around contracts. Chicago has the benefit of being a destination team but too many high contracts have hurt Toronto and Edmonton especially with most of them at forward. If they ever close the LTIR loophole, it would have hurt Tampa and Vegas.

It will be interesting if they will be successful with the change in players salary demands and the new rules around contracts. Chicago has the benefit of being a destination team but too many high contracts have hurt Toronto and Edmonton especially with most of them at forward.
- psuhockey

what new rules?

what poophole city chicago is though. wonder if that will hurt.

what new rules?

what poophole city chicago is though. wonder if that will hurt.
- hello it's me 2050

8 year limits. Chicago was able to win multiple cups because they had Keith on a 13 year contract keeping his caphit much lower than it would have been.

And how much of their development and maturation is due to Torts' coaching?
- jd250

How much of Pettersson and Hughes development and maturation is due to Tocchet?

You would not know this because you don't live around Boston and don't follow the Bruins, but Sweeny and Neely pretty much laid the blame on last year's 1st round exit on Montgomery. If it happens again, award or not, he will be the fall guy and be fired.
- jd250

No, they didn't. That's more jd fantasy. You could live in TD Garden and you wouldn't be able to properly assess that situation.

exactly
- jd250

Exactly? So you're going to stop giving Tortorella so much praise and repeatedly stating that he is the biggest reason why the team is where it's at?


I'm amazed more every day with your complete lack of self awareness. You don't have a clue of what you just did, do you?

It will be interesting if they will be successful with the change in players salary demands and the new rules around contracts. Chicago has the benefit of being a destination team but too many high contracts have hurt Toronto and Edmonton especially with most of them at forward. If they ever close the LTIR loophole, it would have hurt Tampa and Vegas.
- psuhockey

LTIR is not a loophole and I don't know why they would ever change it.

No, they didn't. That's more jd fantasy. You could live in TD Garden and you wouldn't be able to properly assess that situation.
- MJL

Who says I don't?

Exactly? So you're going to stop giving Tortorella so much praise and repeatedly stating that he is the biggest reason why the team is where it's at?


I'm amazed more every day with your complete lack of self awareness. You don't have a clue of what you just did, do you?

- MJL

I was going to say the same thing about you, but then I thought, you are very aware of what you are, only you actually enjoy it.

Anyway, Did Tocchet have to spend an entire season teaching his team how to defend? Did Tocchet have to fix the medical staff on and around the team? Did Tocchet see his GM/PoHO get fired mid season and navigate around that? Did Tocchet have to fix the locker room by subtracting multiple players? Did Tocchet lose his starting goalie to a sexual assault charge? Was Vancouver picked to be in the bottom 5 of the league this year?

Just think for a second of what Torts has had to deal with since he joined the Flyers, and then look at the results. Anyone with even a pea size brain, which unfortunately leaves you out, would know Torts is the best coach in the league, and this sentiment is picking up a lot of steam.

LTIR is not a loophole and I don't know why they would ever change it.
- MJL

The LTIR loophole that enables a team to put a player on LTIR to get around cap restrictions, and then add that same player to the roster in the playoffs when there is no cap.

So a bit of a test for Vancouver here...they have lost 3 straight..sitting at 70 points in 58 games played.

Edmonton, as bad as their first 30 games were, are sitting at 57 points in 52 games. 13 points back, with 6 games in hand.
Edmonton could almost catch Vancouver if they continue to play the way they have since their coaching change.

A test for Tocchett for sure.

How does this tie to Philly? Edmontons coach is Kris Knoblauch, who was an assistant here when Fletcher was in charge. He replaced Mullen as PP coach, but then Fletcher didn't resign him because for whatever reason he might of had. This was a huge failure, as Knoblauch was deemed an up and coming coach when he was hired here. Can't help but think he would have worked well with the current group.

If Edmonton can pull this off, and catch Vancouver..Knoblauch would have to be considered for the Jack Adams, no? From out of the playoffs by a long shot at Thanksgiven, to having a shot at first...would be incredible.

I also don't think Edmonton is looking for a goalie anymore, as Skinner is now 25-12-1, 2.69GAA, .910 SP.

I was going to say the same thing about you, but then I thought, you are very aware of what you are, only you actually enjoy it.

Anyway, Did Tocchet have to spend an entire season teaching his team how to defend? Did Tocchet have to fix the medical staff on and around the team? Did Tocchet see his GM/PoHO get fired mid season and navigate around that? Did Tocchet have to fix the locker room by subtracting multiple players? Did Tocchet lose his starting goalie to a sexual assault charge? Was Vancouver picked to be in the bottom 5 of the league this year?

Just think for a second of what Torts has had to deal with since he joined the Flyers, and then look at the results. Anyone with even a pea size brain, which unfortunately leaves you out, would know Torts is the best coach in the league, and this sentiment is picking up a lot of steam.
- jd250

best coach in the league and the flyers where smart enough to hire him while all teams passed on him. This is why the flyers are one of the best franchises in the league.

They should trade him while his value is high.

I was going to say the same thing about you, but then I thought, you are very aware of what you are, only you actually enjoy it.

Anyway, Did Tocchet have to spend an entire season teaching his team how to defend? Did Tocchet have to fix the medical staff on and around the team? Did Tocchet see his GM/PoHO get fired mid season and navigate around that? Did Tocchet have to fix the locker room by subtracting multiple players? Did Tocchet lose his starting goalie to a sexual assault charge? Was Vancouver picked to be in the bottom 5 of the league this year?

Just think for a second of what Torts has had to deal with since he joined the Flyers, and then look at the results. Anyone with even a pea size brain, which unfortunately leaves you out, would know Torts is the best coach in the league, and this sentiment is picking up a lot of steam.
- jd250

This years Jack Adams trophy will be awarded for this years coaching happenings, not what he did last year. Please keep that in mind.

I was going to say the same thing about you, but then I thought, you are very aware of what you are, only you actually enjoy it.

Anyway, Did Tocchet have to spend an entire season teaching his team how to defend? Did Tocchet have to fix the medical staff on and around the team? Did Tocchet see his GM get fired mid season and navigate around that? Did Tocchet have to fix the locker room by subtracting multiple players? Did Tocchet lose his starting goalie to a sexual assault charge? Was Vancouver picked to be in the bottom 5 of the league this year?

Just think for a second of what Torts has had to deal with since he joined the Flyers, and then look at the results. Anyone with even a pea size brain, which unfortunately leaves you out, would know Torts is the best coach in the league, and this sentiment is picking up a lot of steam.
- jd250

Vancouver's GA/GP in 22/23 was 3.61. This season it is 2.71, almost a goal a game better.
The Flyers GM was not fired this mid season. You apparently don't know what year this is. What are you talking about? LOL

I have no clue about the Vancouver medical team. Neither do you. Irrelevant.

Every coach has to deal with injuries and adversity in a season.

Vancouver finished 22nd in the league last year so it's obvious he had to fix quite a few things. He now has his team pretty much 2nd overall in the NHL and is the clear favorite at this point in time to win the Jack Adams award.

Your failed attempt at veiled insults won't help you. You live in a fantasy world.

Just another day of you making a fool of yourself jd. Par for the course.

This years Jack Adams trophy will be awarded for this years coaching happenings, not what he did last year. Please keep that in mind.
- TheFreak

Hysterical, isn't it?