Everyone hated Lambert but is anyone objective enough in here to at least wonder if this was his fault?

Everyone hated Lambert but is anyone objective enough in here to at least wonder if this was his fault?
- Cptmjl

The first move is always the coach but when that doesn't work it's time to move guys our or the gm

Everyone hated Lambert but is anyone objective enough in here to at least wonder if this was his fault?
- Cptmjl

Lane was clearly not the biggest issue. The roster has been the biggest issue for a while, and some did not want to hear it. Lou has not adjusted to a new NHL.

Everyone hated Lambert but is anyone objective enough in here to at least wonder if this was his fault?
- Cptmjl

I blamed coaching for the failure to change the 0-23 PP during playoffs. I’m glad they swapped Lambert for Roy. This team however has bigger issues. It’s time for a change of the already stale roster. The “identity line” isn’t what it was 3 years ago, and you have way too many passengers, from the captain on down. I can see ownership replacing Lou this offseason. In year 5 you should be competing for a cup, not the 8th seed.

I blamed coaching for the failure to change the 0-23 PP during playoffs. I’m glad they swapped Lambert for Roy. This team however has bigger issues. It’s time for a change of the already stale roster. The “identity line” isn’t what it was 3 years ago, and you have way too many passengers, from the captain on down. I can see ownership replacing Lou this offseason. In year 5 you should be competing for a cup, not the 8th seed.
- kindlyrick

When other teams are always looking to improve, it's very difficult when the Islanders just want to keep all their current players when the team is not good enough to win a Cup.

I blamed coaching for the failure to change the 0-23 PP during playoffs. I’m glad they swapped Lambert for Roy. This team however has bigger issues. It’s time for a change of the already stale roster. The “identity line” isn’t what it was 3 years ago, and you have way too many passengers, from the captain on down. I can see ownership replacing Lou this offseason. In year 5 you should be competing for a cup, not the 8th seed.
- kindlyrick

I wouldn't be upset if Martin and clutterbuck didn't return. Casey still has moments but Maclean is a good replacement and cheaper too. Lee would be hard to move not only as captain but he's not producing like he used to when he was a top net front guy in the league. As I stated last night I'd be willing to part with anyone not 13 14 8 or 30

I wouldn't be upset if Martin and clutterbuck didn't return. Casey still has moments but Maclean is a good replacement and cheaper too. Lee would be hard to move not only as captain but he's not producing like he used to when he was a top net front guy in the league. As I stated last night I'd be willing to part with anyone not 13 14 8 or 30
- Upstate_isles

Ehhhh I’m on the fence with Barzal. I know he’s the isles “all star” but is he really on the level of the top 10-15 in the league? The only untouchables to me are 8 and 30.

The first move is always the coach but when that doesn't work it's time to move guys our or the gm
- Upstate_isles

Yeah I get that but I’m not sure how a lot of people missed what was pretty obvious the last three seasons. This lineup has been given more leeway and do overs then any I can remember.

When other teams are always looking to improve, it's very difficult when the Islanders just want to keep all their current players when the team is not good enough to win a Cup.
- ses111

Lou is active, it’s not as if he stands pat after a losing season and then publicly backs his room ala Snow. I think where Lou has failed is his inability to attract any top UFAs. In 5 years he’s not been able to lure a first line UFA or a top 3 dman. I think that’s where his roster has fallen short. He’s not been able to add assets without giving up assets.

Lane was clearly not the biggest issue. The roster has been the biggest issue for a while, and some did not want to hear it. Lou has not adjusted to a new NHL.
- ses111

Lou did a lot of good but he has a shelf life like most in the NHL. His expired a couple of years ago. Time to rip the bandaid off.

Ehhhh I’m on the fence with Barzal. I know he’s the isles “all star” but is he really on the level of the top 10-15 in the league? The only untouchables to me are 8 and 30.
- kindlyrick

I'm not sure Barzal was expected to be 10 ten in the league when drafted. You might as well go full rebuild if you are trading Barzal.

I wouldn't be upset if Martin and clutterbuck didn't return. Casey still has moments but Maclean is a good replacement and cheaper too. Lee would be hard to move not only as captain but he's not producing like he used to when he was a top net front guy in the league. As I stated last night I'd be willing to part with anyone not 13 14 8 or 30
- Upstate_isles

I would be upset if they did. 😆

I'm not sure Barzal was expected to be 10 ten in the league when drafted. You might as well go full rebuild if you are trading Barzal.
- ses111

Agreed…..Barzal was not expected to be a top 10 player, but he’s the isles “all star”. I’m fine with trading Barzal, for the right assets coming back. Fact is, he was behind Tavares on the talent chart, and Tavares wasn’t a top 10 guy. So there’s that.

Lou is active, it’s not as if he stands pat after a losing season and then publicly backs his room ala Snow. I think where Lou has failed is his inability to attract any top UFAs. In 5 years he’s not been able to lure a first line UFA or a top 3 dman. I think that’s where his roster has fallen short. He’s not been able to add assets without giving up assets.
- kindlyrick

Outside of Bo, there have not been a lot of impact moves from Lou. JGP and Palms are not high impact players. Lou's goals in the offseason have been pretty much locking up the current players with not a lot of roster turnover. This is just not going to cut it when the team is not good enough.

I'm not sure Barzal was expected to be 10 ten in the league when drafted. You might as well go full rebuild if you are trading Barzal.
- ses111

Yep. He isn’t getting traded. It’s also doubtful Lou does anything close to a retool/rebuild. You have to factor that the guy never does and it’s going to be REAL difficult for him to do so. He painted himself in a corner with some of these contracts. Love to be surprised but I can’t see him doing anything close to what we’re discussing. Also, I 100% believe he would be the absolute worst person for the job if we did go that route.

Agreed…..Barzal was not expected to be a top 10 player, but he’s the isles “all star”. I’m fine with trading Barzal, for the right assets coming back. Fact is, he was behind Tavares on the talent chart, and Tavares wasn’t a top 10 guy. So there’s that.
- kindlyrick

JT was drafted 1st overall and was talked about for years before that draft.

Yep. He isn’t getting traded. It’s also doubtful Lou does anything close to a retool/rebuild. You have to factor that the guy never does and it’s going to be REAL difficult for him to do so. He painted himself in a corner with some of these contracts. Love to be surprised but I can’t see him doing anything close to what we’re discussing. Also, I 100% believe he would be the absolute worst person for the job if we did go that route.
- Cptmjl

It cannot be all about what Lou wants. It's about what is best for the team. Lou has to understand this is not a lifetime job and he should do right for the team at his age and stage of his career.

It cannot be all about what Lou wants. It's about what is best for the team. Lou has to understand this is not a lifetime job and he should do right for the team at his age and stage of his career.
- ses111

To be fair he handled rosters the same way when he was younger. I don’t think it has anything to do with his age.

JT was drafted 1st overall and was talked about for years before that draft.
- ses111

The isles were DESPERATE for scoring hence they took Tavares over Hedman. I remember seeing Tavares play after reading all the hype of generational talent and was shocked that he couldn’t skate like Stamkos, the prior years first overall. All the hype leading up to the draft about Tavares, and here he is, the only player to reach 1000 pts to never see the 3rd round.

To be fair he handled rosters the same way when he was younger. I don’t think it has anything to do with his age.
- Cptmjl

This is true, but Lou's age is a factor now. Not many people running teams at Lou's age. The Islanders do not owe Lou a lifetime job and Lou should not get to decide when he leaves.

This is true, but Lou's age is a factor now. Not many people running teams at Lou's age. The Islanders do not owe Lou a lifetime job and Lou should not get to decide when he leaves.
- ses111

I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that ownership replaces Lou this offseason.

I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that ownership replaces Lou this offseason.
- kindlyrick

It's not an embarrassment if Lou is replaced. Lou got to run three teams, and nobody can take away what Lou has accomplished.

I'm not sure Barzal was expected to be 10 ten in the league when drafted. You might as well go full rebuild if you are trading Barzal.
- ses111

- streaks

It's not my idea trading Barzal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...a9f84713a64d2a3a8f1&ei=16

NY Post article : Lou Lamoriello exploring all options for Islanders as trade deadline looms

He may not be done yet, WTF.