That's a stupid statement. One may prefer Barkov, I have no issue with that. They're on a very close level as players. However to insinuate that there is a clear difference between the two players, is just ignorance on your part. Which is becoming par for the course.
- MJL

If there was a poll in any hockey Twitter, among GMs, or even on this site, the answer would be Barkov in a LANDLSIDE

If the Flyers could add either player tomorrow, who would you want, Marner or Barkov?

If there was a poll in any hockey Twitter, among GMs, or even on this site, the answer would be Barkov in a LANDLSIDE
- ClaudeFather

Completely anecdotal and facts not in evidence. I'm not surprised that's all you've got.

If the Flyers could add either player tomorrow, who would you want, Marner or Barkov?
- ClaudeFather

For the Flyers, Barkov.

Hysterical that you're trying to poll this board. Completely unreliable.

If the Flyers could add either player tomorrow, who would you want, Marner or Barkov?
- ClaudeFather

Current need. Barkov.

Who I like better? Marner.

They’re both great two way forwards but Marner is easily the better offensive talent.

If the Flyers could add either player tomorrow, who would you want, Marner or Barkov?
- ClaudeFather

I would take Barkov cause I think his game would generally translate better to playoff hockey than Marner's game.

I would take Barkov cause I think his game would generally translate better to playoff hockey than Marner's game.
- Phillywhiteout

Or we’re weak at center and strong at right wing…

I’d also like to add, Marner is younger and has better playoff numbers than Barkov.

I didn't provide any evidence to support my position? Of course I did. The evidence you offered was that Hischier is the Devils elite defensive forward, as if there is a rule a team can only have one. That Marner plays with better players, etc. That's the weak sauce. Marner is no question a top 10 NHL forward in my opinion.
- MJL

Even if he is top 20, that puts Toronto with 3 elite players in the top 20, and zero for the Flyers.

Looks like that imminent Devils playoff push is being further delayed.

Or we’re weak at center and strong at right wing…

I’d also like to add, Marner is younger and has better playoff numbers than Barkov.
- roenick97

Barkov is heads above Marner on defense. One plays center and one wing. Play away from the puck is more important at center and you have more responsibility on defense.

Less than 2 years age difference. Marner disappears late in every playoff series.

Barkov is heads above Marner on defense. One plays center and one wing. Play away from the puck is more important at center and you have more responsibility on defense.

Less than 2 years age difference. Marner disappears late in every playoff series.
- Minnyhock

How is Barkov heads above Marner on defense? Stating that they play different positions does not prove that. Marner was a Selke finalist last season. By definition, no single forward is heads about him defensively.

In the Stanley Cup finals last season, Barkov had 2 points in 5 games. Both points in game 4. He was scoreless in the other 4 games in the series including the blowout in game 5.

Barkov is heads above Marner on defense. One plays center and one wing. Play away from the puck is more important at center and you have more responsibility on defense.

Less than 2 years age difference. Marner disappears late in every playoff series.
- Minnyhock

How good was Barkov in the playoffs last season? Yes he was in the final but how much of that was on the back of Barkov’s play?

How is Barkov heads above Marner on defense? Stating that they play different positions does not prove that. Marner was a Selke finalist last season. By definition, no single forward is heads about him defensively.
- MJL

Barkov has won a Selke. The Selke is watered down by a bias toward defenders with high point totals. You won’t see an elite defender with 40-50 points winning the Selke. A player excelling on defense at center is above a winger. Put Barkov on McDavid or McKinnon and watch a great battle. Put Marner on either of them and watch him get owned. He’s heads above him.

How good was Barkov in the playoffs last season? Yes he was in the final but how much of that was on the back of Barkov’s play?
- roenick97

You said Marner was better in the playoffs. How far did his team get in the playoffs last year? How much responsibility does he have there?

Barkov has won a Selke. The Selke is watered down by a bias toward defenders with high point totals. You won’t see an elite defender with 40-50 points winning the Selke. A player excelling on defense at center is above a winger. Put Barkov on McDavid or McKinnon and watch a great battle. Put Marner on either of them and watch him get owned. He’s heads above him.
- Minnyhock

Anecdotal. Provide the evidence that Marner would get owned? Marner finished 3rd in Selke voting last season. Marner is a world class defensive forward and penalty killer. Nobody is heads above him defensively as a forward.

By the way, how did Barkov perform in the Cup finals last season?

You said Marner was better in the playoffs. How far did his team get in the playoffs last year? How much responsibility does he have there?
- Minnyhock

Marner led his team in scoring in the playoffs with 14 points in 11 games.

Anecdotal. Provide the evidence that Marner would get owned? Marner finished 3rd in Selke voting last season. Marner is a world class defensive forward and penalty killer. Nobody is heads above him defensively as a forward.

By the way, how did Barkov perform in the Cup finals last season?
- MJL

You would never see Marner get owned by them because no one would subject him to such as mismatch. He weighs a buck eighty. He’d get lit up. Barkov is a stud on defense and Marner isn’t there.

Barkov had 16 points in 21 games. Marner only had 3 goals. Barkov’s team went to the SCF and the Leafs disappointed like they always do and Marner has to take responsibility for that. It’s a team game.

You would never see Marner get owned by them because no one would subject him to such as mismatch. He weighs a buck eighty. He’d get lit up. Barkov is a stud on defense and Marner isn’t there.


- Minnyhock

Again, anecdotal. You don't become a Selke finalist by not playing against and not matching up against other teams top players. McDavid and McKinnon play a speed game. A game that Marner is well equipped to play. Last season Marner finished 3rd in Selke voting and Barkov finsihed 8th. If Barkov is heads above Marner defensively, why was that? If you want to show me factual evidence that Marner got creamed in those matchups or doesn't matchup against top players. I'd be happy to take a look at that.

Barkov had 16 points in 21 games. Marner only had 3 goals. Barkov’s team went to the SCF and the Leafs disappointed like they always do and Marner has to take responsibility for that. It’s a team game.
- Minnyhock

Why do you compare points with Barkov to goals with Marner? Barkov was under a point per game. Marner had 14 points in 11 games. Over a point per game average. Marner had 3 goals in 11 games, while Barkov had 5 goals in 21 games. Do the math in goals per game average. Barkov's team going further is a team accomplishment, not an individual player issue. The discussion is who is the better player. Not what team is better. If we use your standard, that makes Barkov a better player than Connor McDavid because Florida went further in the playoffs than Edmonton did. Barkov disappeared in the Cup finals.

Ouch..Button ranks Gauthier 1 NHL-affiliated prospect, has elite written all over him..

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cu...-prospects-list-1.2079455

The whole situation with him sucks. Danny tried, but we will be talking about that trade for a while.

I like Drysdale...but I don't think he is close to a #1 dman. I don't really get the impression he is going to be anything more than a #3 dman, running the second pp.

Ouch..Button ranks Gauthier 1 NHL-affiliated prospect, has elite written all over him..

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cu...-prospects-list-1.2079455

The whole situation with him sucks. Danny tried, but we will be talking about that trade for a while.

I like Drysdale...but I don't think he is close to a #1 dman. I don't really get the impression he is going to be anything more than a #3 dman, running the second pp.
- TheFreak

It does suck. Drysdale is only 21. Pretty young. He has the raw talent but is just that. Raw. Has to learn to defend better and round out his game. Tortorella and Shaw can teach him that.

Marner led his team in scoring in the playoffs with 14 points in 11 games.
- MJL

How did he do verse Florida Cliff? How about game 6/7 verse Tampa? He had 6 points in the first two blowouts. His point total is a mirage.

Ouch..Button ranks Gauthier 1 NHL-affiliated prospect, has elite written all over him..

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cu...-prospects-list-1.2079455
- TheFreak

Keep in mind that Button is often wildly wrong.

How did he do verse Florida Cliff? How about game 6/7 verse Tampa? He had 6 points in the first two blowouts. His point total is a mirage.
- ClaudeFather

No such thing as a mirage dodo.

If there was a poll in any hockey Twitter, among GMs, or even on this site, the answer would be Barkov in a LANDLSIDE
- ClaudeFather

Weird, because The Athletic did their annual player tiers (with input from "front offices around the league... analysts, scouts, coaches and execs") and Marner graded higher than Barkov.

He was in the same 2A tier as Crosby, Kaprizov, Kuch, Rantanen and Robertson.

Weird, because The Athletic did their annual player tiers (with input from "front offices around the league... analysts, scouts, coaches and execs") and Marner graded higher than Barkov.

He was in the same 2A tier as Crosby, Kaprizov, Kuch, Rantanen and Robertson.



- Tomahawk

You don't say?


Surely that doesn't trump a poll of posters on here. Obviously, those analysts, scouts, coaches and execs don't have a brain.