Briere said no communication in months, and the agent replied that he spoke with them in December and in Sweden. the agent spoke with them, not Gauthier. Speaking with the agent multiple times in the preceeding month is hardly no communication.
- TheFreak

Depends on what the agent said. It could have been a 2 minute meeting where the agent said we still want a trade and no explanation will be given. Or it could have been hey would you take a trade to Anaheim? What Briere said is the player refused to meet with them and they have yet to be given a reason why the player wanted a trade. There is nothing in dispute here.

The player went from "I'm born to be a Flyer" and "can't wait to finish my year at BC and start next year with the Flyers" to I don't want to play for the Flyers in a matter of months. With no explanation mind you, just trade me! Whether through the agent or directly, at least give the team reasons why you don't want to play for them out of respect, but also to give the team a chance to respond in case the player has misconceptions. He gave the Flyers none of this. No one from Gauthier's side has come out and poked holes with anything the Briere has said, never not once. All they have said is they will respond at some point. I suggest you don't hold your breath because it will never happen.
- jd250

The public opinion seems to be that he was upset over Briere refusing to sign him in April and let him burn a year. He probably felt disrespected by the franchise. I mean..how many franchises say to their top prospect at the time, yeah we like you, just not enough to sign you yet. The reasons seem pretty apparent....

The agent did say that communication was there, just not directly with the player. Danny said no communication since the summer. December and the summer is quite different. That would appear to poke a hole in the whole no communication that was given by the team. Danny also admitted lying to the fanbase, and justified it by saying" he was protecting the player". I don't really trust anything that comes out of their mpouths right now.

Briere said no communication in months, and the agent replied that he spoke with them in December and in Sweden. the agent spoke with them, not Gauthier. Speaking with the agent multiple times in the preceeding month is hardly no communication.
- TheFreak

That's poking holes in Briere's version? I read up on this a lot when it was going on and I did not see one outside independent credible source contradict what the Flyers said happened. That's just the agents word.

Depends on what the agent said. It could have been a 2 minute meeting where the agent said we still want a trade and no explanation will be given. Or it could have been hey would you take a trade to Anaheim? What Briere said is the player refused to meet with them and they have yet to be given a reason why the player wanted a trade. There is nothing in dispute here.
- jd250

He didn't have too.

he did give them a reason. The flyers just dont like what they gave them.

in bold see his response above

the more important factor here is a top prospect shunned what was once arguably the premier organization in hockey. That is a concern no?
- hello it's me 2050

No, I'm not concerned at all. Tippet did not shun the organization. Poehling did not shun the organization. Laughton loves it here. Walker and Seeler do not want to be traded. I am not going to be concerned unless I am presented hard evidence that I should be.

He didn't have too.
- TheFreak

If what the agent said is true, that they did communicate with the Flyers. Why did Briere and Jones fly 10 hours to Sweden to try and talk to the player if they were able to communicate through his agent?

The player went from "I'm born to be a Flyer" and "can't wait to finish my year at BC and start next year with the Flyers" to I don't want to play for the Flyers in a matter of months. With no explanation mind you, just trade me! Whether through the agent or directly, at least give the team reasons why you don't want to play for them out of respect, but also to give the team a chance to respond in case the player has misconceptions. He gave the Flyers none of this. No one from Gauthier's side has come out and poked holes with anything the Briere has said, never not once. All they have said is they will respond at some point. I suggest you don't hold your breath because it will never happen.
- jd250

Like Claude Giroux CG owes nothing to the Flyers - nothing

The public opinion seems to be that he was upset over Briere refusing to sign him in April and let him burn a year. He probably felt disrespected by the franchise. I mean..how many franchises say to their top prospect at the time, yeah we like you, just not enough to sign you yet. The reasons seem pretty apparent....

The agent did say that communication was there, just not directly with the player. Danny said no communication since the summer. December and the summer is quite different. That would appear to poke a hole in the whole no communication that was given by the team. Danny also admitted lying to the fanbase, and justified it by saying" he was protecting the player". I don't really trust anything that comes out of their mpouths right now.
- TheFreak

The plan was always the Gauthier would play 1 year at BC and then join the Flyers the following year. Now when the BC season ended apparently Gauthier wanted to sign right then and maybe even get into a few games with the Flyers at the end of last season. I am pretty sure Fletcher might have even assured Gauthier that would happen. However Fletcher got fired and Briere was given the interim GM role. Dave Scott was also on his way out. There was no Hilferty or Jones in place yet at the time. I think Briere did the prudent thing by saying let's hold off until things settle down and people are in place, and then we can move forward. In May from what Briere states he was ready to have a meeting with Gauthier, sign him to an ELC and give Gauthier a legitimate chance to made the team out of training camp. It was in that meeting Gauthier's camp said we want out. So tell me, how is this disrespecting the player? In fact Danny went out of his way to not disrespect the player but protect the player during what I am sure to Briere would just be a period of adjustment for the player.

That's poking holes in Briere's version? I read up on this a lot when it was going on and I did not see one outside independent credible source contradict what the Flyers said happened. That's just the agents word.
- MJL

Right..but Briere is saying no contact, and there was, just not what they/ he wanted.

If Briere had come out and said limited contact with the agent, and non with the player...fine, but when one of the first things Danny says is contridicted by the other side directly involved in what was going on, and this after Danny admits in the same "speech" that he lied to us all back in September...I found the rest of what he said, and what Jones and the Hilferty pulled during that game as a premeditated media blitz designed to cover up the deeper facts of the situation. It threw all the blame on the player, and claimed innocence by the Flyers. The agent disputed the no communication..stating they talked in December and January.
To me, yes this pokes holes in what was stated by the team.

If what the agent said is true, that they did communicate with the Flyers. Why did Briere and Jones fly 10 hours to Sweden to try and talk to the player if they were able to communicate through his agent?
- MJL

Trying to bypass the agent? Who knows, but they knew Gauthier had no interest in seeing or talking to them.

Them saying this is on Gauthier when they knew this was probably going to be the result of flying to Seden is BS. They were also there to watch the tournament, not just for a meeting. They are blurring the reality to fit their story.

Trying to bypass the agent? Who knows, but they knew Gauthier had no interest in seeing or talking to them.

Them saying this is on Gauthier when they knew this was probably going to be the result of flying to Seden is BS. They were also there to watch the tournament, not just for a meeting. They are blurring the reality to fit their story.
- TheFreak

why does everything have to be a big conspiracy theory, and why is it the Flyers are always wrong to many in the fan base? I mean, OK, the franchise has had a bad decade or so, but they cleaned house top to bottom, why can't we take this new leadership at its word and see what happens, instead of just presuming everything they say is a lie and is wrong. Because an agent said so? Because agents never lie or mislead, right?

Any list with Pasta in HAS to include TK; he is the kind of player teams build around
- corduroy

My mistake. I was talking off the top of my head and forgot about him.

The plan was always the Gauthier would play 1 year at BC and then join the Flyers the following year. Now when the BC season ended apparently Gauthier wanted to sign right then and maybe even get into a few games with the Flyers at the end of last season. I am pretty sure Fletcher might have even assured Gauthier that would happen. However Fletcher got fired and Briere was given the interim GM role. Dave Scott was also on his way out. There was no Hilferty or Jones in place yet at the time. I think Briere did the prudent thing by saying let's hold off until things settle down and people are in place, and then we can move forward. In May from what Briere states he was ready to have a meeting with Gauthier, sign him to an ELC and give Gauthier a legitimate chance to made the team out of training camp. It was in that meeting Gauthier's camp said we want out. So tell me, how is this disrespecting the player? In fact Danny went out of his way to not disrespect the player but protect the player during what I am sure Briere would just be a period of adjustment for the player.
- jd250

The mess the Flyers are/ were in is not Gauthiers issue. You have a top 5 draft pick, at the time he was the top prospect in the organization. He had just completed the year at BC....how many teams don't sign their first rounders to elc's, especially one as hyped as Gauthier who WANTED to sign and the team said no. To originally say they were signing him, be it Fletcher or whoever, and then change their minds, is wrong. If Fletcher promised it, and Gauthier did not have a bad year when he wanted to sign, then they should have signed him He did meet expectations for that year, and there was no reason to not sign him to his elc. I can see a top prospect being insulted by this.
The Flyers fuqed up.

My mistake. I was talking off the top of my head and forgot about him.
- Minnyhock

If I am starting a team and I have TK or Pasta to pick, I am picking TK. TK is a better all around player than Pasta is IMO.

why does everything have to be a big conspiracy theory, and why is it the Flyers are always wrong to many in the fan base? I mean, OK, the franchise has had a bad decade or so, but they cleaned house top to bottom, why can't we take this new leadership at its word and see what happens, instead of just presuming everything they say is a lie and is wrong. Because an agent said so? Because agents never lie or mislead, right?
- jd250

Why are the Flyers the ones always caught in this type of stuff? Goes back to the Lindros/ Clarke public arguments. When wierd things happen to the same team over and over you have to ask how this happens.

They have flat out lied multiple times already, and admitted it.

Right..but Briere is saying no contact, and there was, just not what they/ he wanted.

If Briere had come out and said limited contact with the agent, and non with the player...fine, but when one of the first things Danny says is contridicted by the other side directly involved in what was going on, and this after Danny admits in the same "speech" that he lied to us all back in September...I found the rest of what he said, and what Jones and the Hilferty pulled during that game as a premeditated media blitz designed to cover up the deeper facts of the situation. It threw all the blame on the player, and claimed innocence by the Flyers. The agent disputed the no communication..stating they talked in December and January.
To me, yes this pokes holes in what was stated by the team.
- TheFreak

That's not what I'm aware of what happened. There was no contact from the player once he informed them that he didn't want to play for them. Not through the agent or the player. Confirmed by independent outside sources. Nothing the agent says pokes holes in Biere's version of what happened. Not on independent source that I'm aware of has contradicted what the Flyers said happened. That's what your ignoring, the independent outside sources. If you have different information from an outside source, I'd be open to being corrected on that.

Trying to bypass the agent? Who knows, but they knew Gauthier had no interest in seeing or talking to them.

Them saying this is on Gauthier when they knew this was probably going to be the result of flying to Seden is BS. They were also there to watch the tournament, not just for a meeting. They are blurring the reality to fit their story.
- TheFreak

You don't do that if you're able to talk to the Gauthier camp through the agent. That simply tells us that the agent is full of crap. Combined with what the independent outside sources have said confirming what the Flyers have said happened.
By all reports, the primary reason the Flyers flew to Sweden was to try and talk to Gauthier.

That's not what I'm aware of what happened. There was no contact from the player once he informed them that he didn't want to play for them. Not through the agent or the player. Confirmed by independent outside sources. Nothing the agent says pokes holes in Biere's version of what happened. Not on independent source that I'm aware of has contradicted what the Flyers said happened. That's what your ignoring, the independent outside sources. If you have different information from an outside source, I'd be open to being corrected on that.
- MJL

How would inside, independent sources know if the agent and Briere spoke on the phone?

If I am starting a team and I have TK or Pasta to pick, I am picking TK. TK is a better all around player than Pasta is IMO.
- jd250

Absolutely. If TK was playing with a 1C he’d have 60 goals and nobody would be talking about Matthews.

The mess the Flyers are/ were in is not Gauthiers issue. You have a top 5 draft pick, at the time he was the top prospect in the organization. He had just completed the year at BC....how many teams don't sign their first rounders to elc's, especially one as hyped as Gauthier who WANTED to sign and the team said no. To originally say they were signing him, be it Fletcher or whoever, and then change their minds, is wrong. If Fletcher promised it, and Gauthier did not have a bad year when he wanted to sign, then they should have signed him He did meet expectations for that year, and there was no reason to not sign him to his elc. I can see a top prospect being insulted by this.
The Flyers fuqed up.
- TheFreak

You also have to consider that under Fletcher they hoped Gauthier could be a center, a position Gauthier never played until he started at BC. There was concern at the time that Gauthier needed more time to learn the position. I think when Briere came in he saw Gauthier as I did, a winger. This could have played a factor also. The thing you are not considering is the timing of the Fletcher firing and the impact it had, creating flux within the organization as Briere started in the role.

If you want to say the Flyers eff'd up, I would say they eff'd up by not firing Fletcher much sooner in the season and surely not allowing him to be GM through the trade deadline.

why does everything have to be a big conspiracy theory, and why is it the Flyers are always wrong to many in the fan base? I mean, OK, the franchise has had a bad decade or so, but they cleaned house top to bottom, why can't we take this new leadership at its word and see what happens, instead of just presuming everything they say is a lie and is wrong. Because an agent said so? Because agents never lie or mislead, right?
- jd250

They haven't earned that grace period. The Flyers screwed up by not signing Gauthier when he wanted to sign. That is their role in this that deserves criticism.

If I am starting a team and I have TK or Pasta to pick, I am picking TK. TK is a better all around player than Pasta is IMO.
- jd250

You would be a worse GM than Chuckles

Absolutely. If TK was playing with a 1C he’d have 60 goals and nobody would be talking about Matthews.
- Minnyhock

Wait .. I would take Matthews over TK. I'm crazy but not that crazy.

How would inside, independent sources know if the agent and Briere spoke on the phone?
- TheFreak

I said independent outside sources. How do they know other things, such as teams talking to one another about trades?

They haven't earned that grace period. The Flyers screwed up by not signing Gauthier when he wanted to sign. That is their role in this that deserves criticism.
- MJL

You don't think the timing of Fletcher's firing which coincided with the end of the BC season had anything to do with this? How do we know Briere even had the ability to sign Gauthier or anyone until things got settled within the organization?