Why wouldn't the agent do that to try and protect the player? I already explained why I give Briere a pass and that the agent is lying. The numerous outside independent reliable sources that have confirmed that what the Flyers have said happened, actually happened.




Of course there is. We have proof all the time that major well connected sources get things right about what happens internally with teams. Briere's reasoning was sound in my opinion on not being forthright about why Gauthier was not at camp.
- MJL

what outside crew has said the agent is lying? any link? articles?

The takeaway from the Cutter situation for me is that you have to cater to stars and potential stars from the time you draft them continuing throughout the time you have them.

I recall reading a story about Matthews being pissed about his ice time at the end of his rookie season. It was noted that he saw less ice than Zach Hyman. Matthews had a 40 goal season and Zach had 10. Babs heard about it and traveled to Matthews’ home to apologize and kiss his ass. That’s just reality today.

The takeaway from the Cutter situation for me is that you have to cater to stars and potential stars from the time you draft them continuing throughout the time you have them.

I recall reading a story about Matthews being pissed about his ice time at the end of his rookie season. It was noted that he saw less ice than Zach Hyman. Matthews had a 40 goal season and Zach had 10. Babs heard about it and traveled to Matthews’ home to apologize and kiss his ass. That’s just reality today.
- Minnyhock

Absolutely. If you have a potential elite player, give him what he wants within the rules.

I've watched him score 26 career goals against the Flyers in 29 games.
- Tomahawk

Yes is an elite goal scorer. What about the rest?

The takeaway from the Cutter situation for me is that you have to cater to stars and potential stars from the time you draft them continuing throughout the time you have them.

I recall reading a story about Matthews being pissed about his ice time at the end of his rookie season. It was noted that he saw less ice than Zach Hyman. Matthews had a 40 goal season and Zach had 10. Babs heard about it and traveled to Matthews’ home to apologize and kiss his ass. That’s just reality today.
- Minnyhock

The big difference here is that Matthews had already scored 40 goals at the NHL level. Cutter hasn't skated one shift at the NHL level yet. Puck the brat!! I hope ND trucks him on his first shift on the ice in Philly and then I hope ND retires!!

Yes is an elite goal scorer. What about the rest?
- jd250

Most people would agree that McDavid is the best player on the planet. Some say he seems disinterested and lazy and terrible defensively. I don’t think he’s terrible defensively but he could be better. He and Pasta do what they do so elitely that their shortcomings don’t matter as much.

Yes is an elite goal scorer. What about the rest?
- jd250

What about it? Provide the documentation that Konecny is a better all around player.

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The head to head matchup...

TK vs BOS: 26GP 6G 7A 13P -13
DP vs PHI: 29GP 26G 16A 42P +24


I'm on record being a huge fan of TK since before he was drafted, I tooted his horn all while Hak and AV were giving him the Frost treatment and everybody here wanted him gone, but even I wouldn't dare to put TK and Pasta in the same paragraph, much less the same sentence.
- Tomahawk

This is the most useless metric I have ever seen. What does this prove? Nothing other than the Bruins have gotten the best of the Flyers over the past several years. I think all you here look at the stats and rightly say, Pastrnak is an elite offensive player in this league and TK is not close. If looking solely at this dimension I would agree with you. But I look at players in more dimensions than one. I think TK has a better motor than Pastrnak. I think TK is a more consistent, clearly a better penalty killer and comparable 5v5. TK is also a better leader than Pastrnak. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Pastrnak on my team, of course I would. And I am not faulting you or anyone for choosing Pastrnak. All I am saying is if I had to choose between the two, I am choosing TK and these are the reasons why.

Most people would agree that McDavid is the best player on the planet. Some say he seems disinterested and lazy and terrible defensively. I don’t think he’s terrible defensively but he could be better. He and Pasta do what they do so elitely that their shortcomings don’t matter as much.
- Minnyhock

Yes, I agree with you. Pastrnak's elite offensive ability more than compensates for his shortcomings. I just think TK, though not elite, is showing he is very good offensively and to me has more of a complete game, so for me I'll take TK.

The big difference here is that Matthews had already scored 40 goals at the NHL level. Cutter hasn't skated one shift at the NHL level yet. Puck the brat!! I hope ND trucks him on his first shift on the ice in Philly and then I hope ND retires!!

- Phillywhiteout

Yes. My point was you have to coddle them from the time you draft them and continue it as long as you have them. Cutter wasn’t offered a contract when he should have been offered. He was never on the team.

This is the most useless metric I have ever seen. What does this prove? Nothing other than the Bruins have gotten the best of the Flyers over the past several years. I think all you here look at the stats and rightly say, Pastrnak is an elite offensive player in this league and TK is not close. If looking solely at this dimension I would agree with you. But I look at players in more dimensions than one. I think TK has a better motor than Pastrnak. I think TK is a more consistent, clearly a better penalty killer and comparable 5v5. TK is also a better leader than Pastrnak. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Pastrnak on my team, of course I would. And I am not faulting you or anyone for choosing Pastrnak. All I am saying is if I had to choose between the two, I am choosing TK and these are the reasons why.
- jd250

Goals and assists are useless metrics? LOL You don't want to look at facts. You only want to look at anecdotal and unproven aspects and ignore the facts and dwell in your normal fantasy world. How about the fact that Pasternak finished 2nd in Hart trophy voting last season?
Pasternak doesn't play on the PK. Neither does McKinnon, Kucherov or McDavid. Do you know why they don't play on the PK?

Provide the documentation, proof or any factual data to support that Konecny has a better motor than Pasternak does?

Did you watch the last Flyers -Boston game? Pasternak dominated the game. Dominated in play down low.

Your reasons are fantasy and stupidity. That is why you're choosing Konecny. You have this absurd and asinine bias against any player who plays for Boston. From the coach on down.

Yes, I agree with you. Pastrnak's elite offensive ability more than compensates for his shortcomings. I just think TK, though not elite, is showing he is very good offensively and to me has more of a complete game, so for me I'll take TK.
- jd250

Pasternak doesn't have any shortcomings.

Konecny does though.

It is nonsense. You continually reply with this stupidity of asking how much someone watched a player or asking how much someone watches a player. It's asinine. For one, you're trying to imply that you watch someone play more than someone else when you don't know that. It makes you look like a fool. When you combine that with your daily proven inability to accurately assess anything in the sport of hockey, well it paints a picture. Pasternak is an NHL superstar and one of the best players in the entire league. Yet you label him soft and lazy. That just confirms that your clueless in knowing what you're watching. Konecny is not a more complete player than Pasternak is. Pasternak is an elite superstar NHL player. Konecny is not and won't ever be. Your opinion is complete lunacy.
- MJL

So in this one post alone you have called me stupid, asinine, a fool, clueless, and a lunatic. Anything else you can think of calling me? And how many names has anyone called you today? Then you wonder why you spend all day having personal argument with multiple posters. We are done here.

Pasternak doesn't have any shortcomings.

Konecny does though.
- MJL

You have zero ability to assess anything related to the sport of hockey.

So in this one post alone you have called me stupid, asinine, a fool, clueless, and a lunatic. Anything else you can think of calling me? And how many names has anyone called you today? Then you wonder why you spend all day having personal argument with multiple posters. We are done here.
- jd250

You've been done a long time ago, jd. You just don't realize it. It is completely impossible for you to rehabilitate your reputation on here.

You deserve and ask for it with your absurd and asininely ridiculous opinions. On a daily basis. It's one thing to debate who is the better player between say Marner and Barkov.

It's another completely different thing to say you'd take Konecny over Pasternak.

You have zero ability to assess anything related to the sport of hockey.
- jd250

Prove it. I say Pasternak is easily the better player and I would take Pasternak over Konecny without hesitation. What say you?

We can also revisit the other numerous absurd and ridiculous opinions you've offered on other players.

What are Pasternak's shortcomings? I don't want nonsense. Support it with facts.

Pasternak doesn't have any shortcomings.

Konecny does though.
- MJL

provide the documentation.

This is the most useless metric I have ever seen. What does this prove? Nothing other than the Bruins have gotten the best of the Flyers over the past several years. I think all you here look at the stats and rightly say, Pastrnak is an elite offensive player in this league and TK is not close. If looking solely at this dimension I would agree with you. But I look at players in more dimensions than one. I think TK has a better motor than Pastrnak. I think TK is a more consistent, clearly a better penalty killer and comparable 5v5. TK is also a better leader than Pastrnak. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Pastrnak on my team, of course I would. And I am not faulting you or anyone for choosing Pastrnak. All I am saying is if I had to choose between the two, I am choosing TK and these are the reasons why.
- jd250

I feel like I'm trying to reason with a flat earther. I'll stop now.

All the talk about, yall are at fault.


Tk left practice after taking hit from Staal, looks like he tweaked something.

I feel like I'm trying to reason with a flat earther. I'll stop now.
- Tomahawk

It's not flat? Since when?

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The head to head matchup...

TK vs BOS: 26GP 6G 7A 13P -13
DP vs PHI: 29GP 26G 16A 42P +24


I'm on record being a huge fan of TK since before he was drafted, I tooted his horn all while Hak and AV were giving him the Frost treatment and everybody here wanted him gone, but even I wouldn't dare to put TK and Pasta in the same paragraph, much less the same sentence.
- Tomahawk

Would you put them in the same scene?

It's not flat? Since when?
- MJL

Yeah. Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

It's not flat? Since when?
- MJL

No way!

It's not flat? Since when?
- MJL

There's a yo mama joke in there somewhere

Absolutely. If you have a potential elite player, give him what he wants within the rules.
- MJL

Dude, I hate to even say this because all you do is counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness, but:

When the Flyers took him, he wasn’t projected to be elite. If you remember, he seemed…by some..:to be a reach at 5. Many had him in the 10ish with “great tools”. The issues that created the disconnect between the two parties happened when he was still NOT a huge prospect. He had some good showings and was promising, but this guy wasn’t Bedard…or Mitchkov…he was a GOOD PROSPECT.

I know it’s been legit forever since the Flyers have had one that didn’t just come right out and play in the NHL, but he chose to go to school. When Danny Briere and the Flyers chose to not bring him up they were in the INFANT STATE of “hey fans, we gotta rebuild this thing”. Also, they were trying to develop him at center and wanted to see more of that.

As Keith Jones said, his “value would never be higher than after world juniors”…aka after this poop went down. The Flyers dealt with a dude, but don’t make it seem like they should have been kissing his (frank)ing ass…