All the talk about, yall are at fault.


Tk left practice after taking hit from Staal, looks like he tweaked something.
- wcorvette

Gudas 2.0

Is it realistic to expect him to be a team player when he’s not on the team?
- Minnyhock

This would be called splitting hairs. He was with the organization.

The takeaway from the Cutter situation for me is that you have to cater to stars and potential stars from the time you draft them continuing throughout the time you have them.

I recall reading a story about Matthews being pissed about his ice time at the end of his rookie season. It was noted that he saw less ice than Zach Hyman. Matthews had a 40 goal season and Zach had 10. Babs heard about it and traveled to Matthews’ home to apologize and kiss his ass. That’s just reality today.
- Minnyhock

so when did cutter score 40 in the NHL?

Dude, I hate to even say this because all you do is counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness, but:

When the Flyers took him, he wasn’t projected to be elite. If you remember, he seemed…by some..:to be a reach at 5. Many had him in the 10ish with “great tools”. The issues that created the disconnect between the two parties happened when he was still NOT a huge prospect. He had some good showings and was promising, but this guy wasn’t Bedard…or Mitchkov…he was a GOOD PROSPECT.

I know it’s been legit forever since the Flyers have had one that didn’t just come right out and play in the NHL, but he chose to go to school. When Danny Briere and the Flyers chose to not bring him up they were in the INFANT STATE of “hey fans, we gotta rebuild this thing”. Also, they were trying to develop him at center and wanted to see more of that.

As Keith Jones said, his “value would never be higher than after world juniors”…aka after this poop went down. The Flyers dealt with a dude, but don’t make it seem like they should have been kissing his (frank)ing ass…
- Wingdestroyer

I agree with all of this except that the Flyers were developing him at center. It came out right after the trade that the Flyers viewed him as a wing. Everything else is well said. Gauthier was pretty much in the backseat to Michkov the second we drafted Michkov. Gauthier put himself in the conversation after the world juniors.

This would be called splitting hairs. He was with the organization.
- roenick97

I’ve never done jack for any organization before we sign on the dotted line. They don’t do jack for me until we sign on the dotted line.

so when did cutter score 40 in the NHL?
- 2Real

Cutter never scored 40 because when you snooze you lose.

I agree with all of this except that the Flyers were developing him at center. It came out right after the trade that the Flyers viewed him as a wing. Everything else is well said. Gauthier was pretty much in the backseat to Michkov the second we drafted Michkov. Gauthier put himself in the conversation after the world juniors.
- roenick97

Fair enough…PART OF ME thinks that “wing” talk was just an extra “eat crap kid!” by the Flyers on the way out. But the need for development was there, no matter the exact position.

Nasty Knuckles has Frank Seravalli today. I wonder what other fake news he has for us today.

Fair enough…PART OF ME thinks that “wing” talk was just an extra “eat crap kid!” by the Flyers on the way out. But the need for development was there, no matter the exact position.
- Wingdestroyer

We never had a chance to be hands on with Gauthier

Dude, I hate to even say this because all you do is counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness, but:

When the Flyers took him, he wasn’t projected to be elite. If you remember, he seemed…by some..:to be a reach at 5. Many had him in the 10ish with “great tools”. The issues that created the disconnect between the two parties happened when he was still NOT a huge prospect. He had some good showings and was promising, but this guy wasn’t Bedard…or Mitchkov…he was a GOOD PROSPECT.

I know it’s been legit forever since the Flyers have had one that didn’t just come right out and play in the NHL, but he chose to go to school. When Danny Briere and the Flyers chose to not bring him up they were in the INFANT STATE of “hey fans, we gotta rebuild this thing”. Also, they were trying to develop him at center and wanted to see more of that.

As Keith Jones said, his “value would never be higher than after world juniors”…aka after this poop went down. The Flyers dealt with a dude, but don’t make it seem like they should have been kissing his (frank)ing ass…
- Wingdestroyer

I'll start with I don't counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness. What I do is make an intelligent and informed opinion and debate with dedication. I'll start with this, draft ratings are subjective. You'll notice that the term I used was potential elite. Players don't always meet their potential and sometimes potential is misjudged. Making the draft subjective. There are sources who label him as a potential elite player. Now that is dealt with.

This idea that the Flyers were in the infant stages of the rebuild, doesn't hold water. When you have a lack of potential elite player prospects and you have a player you used a top 5 pick on. If he wants to start his NHL career and burn off a year of his ELC early, you give that to him. It was foolish not to. The Flyers don't seem to have any issue blowing tons of cap space on players who aren't worth it, too many to name. Were now supposed to buy that lame excuse? LOL

Yes, with the position the Flyers are in, they absolutely should've been kissing his ass! With a full lip press on! LOL.

I'll await your response with baited breath.

I'll start with I don't counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness. What I do is make an intelligent and informed opinion and debate with dedication. I'll start with this, draft ratings are subjective. You'll notice that the term I used was potential elite. Players don't always meet their potential and sometimes potential is misjudged. Making the draft subjective. There are sources who label him as a potential elite player. Now that is dealt with.

This idea that the Flyers were in the infant stages of the rebuild, doesn't hold water. When you have a lack of potential elite player prospects and you have a player you used a top 5 pick on. If he wants to start his NHL career and burn off a year of his ELC early, you give that to him. It was foolish not to. The Flyers don't seem to have any issue blowing tons of cap space on players who aren't worth it, too many to name. Were now supposed to buy that lame excuse? LOL

Yes, with the position the Flyers are in, they absolutely should've been kissing his ass! With a full lip press on! LOL.

I'll await your response with baited breath.

- MJL

that you do. Dedication is an understatement.
I thoroughly enjoy condescending cliff.

Dude, I hate to even say this because all you do is counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness, but:

When the Flyers took him, he wasn’t projected to be elite. If you remember, he seemed…by some..:to be a reach at 5. Many had him in the 10ish with “great tools”. The issues that created the disconnect between the two parties happened when he was still NOT a huge prospect. He had some good showings and was promising, but this guy wasn’t Bedard…or Mitchkov…he was a GOOD PROSPECT.

I know it’s been legit forever since the Flyers have had one that didn’t just come right out and play in the NHL, but he chose to go to school. When Danny Briere and the Flyers chose to not bring him up they were in the INFANT STATE of “hey fans, we gotta rebuild this thing”. Also, they were trying to develop him at center and wanted to see more of that.

As Keith Jones said, his “value would never be higher than after world juniors”…aka after this poop went down. The Flyers dealt with a dude, but don’t make it seem like they should have been kissing his (frank)ing ass…
- Wingdestroyer

Kissing his ass is a bridge too far for many including me. But they picked him at #5 so they thought really highly of him. I just think they could have done better on the communication side. They weren’t going to sign him right away so sit down with him and give him a thorough explanation of why you want him to wait and reassure him about how much you value him and how your going to take care of him. I don’t know if they did that. I don’t know about Torts or Briere but I think Jones is capable of placating and soothing someone if he has a mind to do so. Maybe they thought Cutter would do what other drafted guys do. Today’s athlete is different and you have to adapt.

Dude, I hate to even say this because all you do is counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness, but:

When the Flyers took him, he wasn’t projected to be elite. If you remember, he seemed…by some..:to be a reach at 5. Many had him in the 10ish with “great tools”. The issues that created the disconnect between the two parties happened when he was still NOT a huge prospect. He had some good showings and was promising, but this guy wasn’t Bedard…or Mitchkov…he was a GOOD PROSPECT.

I know it’s been legit forever since the Flyers have had one that didn’t just come right out and play in the NHL, but he chose to go to school. When Danny Briere and the Flyers chose to not bring him up they were in the INFANT STATE of “hey fans, we gotta rebuild this thing”. Also, they were trying to develop him at center and wanted to see more of that.

As Keith Jones said, his “value would never be higher than after world juniors”…aka after this poop went down. The Flyers dealt with a dude, but don’t make it seem like they should have been kissing his (frank)ing ass…
- Wingdestroyer

He’s a very solid prospect…I haven’t seen anything to suggest he’s elite. Craig Button seems to suggest he’s magically got better since the world JRs…

Weird that people keep saying that the Leafs are overrated, overhyped, etc... but it really seems that they seriously don't realize how good Mitch objectively is:
- Tomahawk

until the leafs do something in the playoffs they are overrated. Doesnt matter how good mitch is. Regular season means squat

The Cutter mess is still Fletcher's fault
1 for drafting him over Jiricek
2 if true, promising to sign him early

I am on such an island when it comes to Sean Walker. Listening to Frank Seravalli, I think he shares the same view as the majority. He believes you have to trade Sean Walker and the Flyers are going to do whatever they’re going to do with or without him with 25 games left. I disagree. If Walker goes and a body doesn’t replace him, I think that hurts the D slightly. I don’t like Zamula at even strength. He’s not bad but not solid. Drysdale needs to improve in his own end. I think Rostolainen is decent 17 minutes a game but his role would probably need to increase. I think Walker is a hole if traded. I think Nick Seeler and Sean Walker as the best pair on the team would be a hole.

The Cutter mess is still Fletcher's fault
1 for drafting him over Jiricek
2 if true, promising to sign him early
- THE BLACK HAND

Could have been the partner Provorov needed I believe.

I am on such an island when it comes to Sean Walker. Listening to Frank Seravalli, I think he shares the same view as the majority. He believes you have to trade Sean Walker and the Flyers are going to do whatever they’re going to do with or without him with 25 games left. I disagree. If Walker goes and a body doesn’t replace him, I think that hurts the D slightly. I don’t like Zamula at even strength. He’s not bad but not solid. Drysdale needs to improve in his own end. I think Rostolainen is decent 17 minutes a game but his role would probably need to increase. I think Walker is a hole if traded. I think Nick Seeler and Sean Walker as the best pair on the team would be a hole.
- roenick97

we're not ready for a deep playoff run no reason to waste our assets which we could trade

we're not ready for a deep playoff run no reason to waste our assets which we could trade
- 2Real

absolutely, trade them both.

we're not ready for a deep playoff run no reason to waste our assets which we could trade
- 2Real

I know you’re right. I just don’t want their legs to fall out from beneath them because we removed one piece.

I know you’re right. I just don’t want their legs to fall out from beneath them because we removed one piece.
- roenick97

better off with a higher draft pick

until the leafs do something in the playoffs they are overrated. Doesnt matter how good mitch is. Regular season means squat
- bradster

Exactly. As it stands, you have reg us or season performers who disappear come playoffs and can’t get over the hump. They’ve had numerous chances. I mean, Columbus took them out and so did Montreal when they had a clear path to at least a semifinal if not the final

I'll start with I don't counterpoint and dig in with insurmountable stubbornness. What I do is make an intelligent and informed opinion and debate with dedication. I'll start with this, draft ratings are subjective. You'll notice that the term I used was potential elite. Players don't always meet their potential and sometimes potential is misjudged. Making the draft subjective. There are sources who label him as a potential elite player. Now that is dealt with.

This idea that the Flyers were in the infant stages of the rebuild, doesn't hold water. When you have a lack of potential elite player prospects and you have a player you used a top 5 pick on. If he wants to start his NHL career and burn off a year of his ELC early, you give that to him. It was foolish not to. The Flyers don't seem to have any issue blowing tons of cap space on players who aren't worth it, too many to name. Were now supposed to buy that lame excuse? LOL

Yes, with the position the Flyers are in, they absolutely should've been kissing his ass! With a full lip press on! LOL.

I'll await your response with baited breath.

- MJL

1. Yes you do, you prepared me in your first sentence.

2. Subjective? Surely! Saying so saves seconds, subsequently. Seconding statement, sir!

You’re over rating him as a prospect

3. The “rebuild” had little to do with my main point. Go ahead and throw it out. Flyers still weren’t dealing with Lindros, guy

4. Yawn on blowing cap space…..how much does ND and Staal really take? They didn’t think he was THAT GOOD or GOOD ENOUGH to take the step with him.

Lots OF Love back to ya

Nasty Knuckles has Frank Seravalli today. I wonder what other fake news he has for us today.
- roenick97

He is always "frank"

we're not ready for a deep playoff run no reason to waste our assets which we could trade
- 2Real

Correct, flyers can't even ice 12 forwards regularly.