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Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Feb 22 @ 10:56 AM ET
9 goals in his past 4 games haha. Guy is going nuts.

Also interesting that his career goals/game is better than OV, Wayne, Bure and both Hulls at the moment. Mario and Bossy are the only guys ahead of him. If he doesn't run into injury trouble and the league doesn't lock out the players multiple times, he'll probably end up with 800+ goals easy.

- Tomahawk

Yeah, but not a better goals/game than some of them at that point in their career. We gotta see when/if he slows with age or injury.

He might not! Ovie had a second wind after a little slump halfway through his career and he bounced back. He was the 10th fastest to get to 300.

This year Matthews crossed the 300 goal mark in his 482nd game early this season, good for 14th quickest. Gretzky had it done somehow at 350. Bure was actually 2nd and then Mario just after.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 22 @ 10:56 AM ET
You really hate the Leafs, don't you?
- MJL


I do hate the leafs but I really like Matthews. I wish we had him. I just go back tot he stupidity of paying all the forwards that much without seeing any playoff success. It’s high time they change it up and trade marner or nylander for some defensive help. Also seems weird that they’re better without him.

Of note, we get completely inundated by the media with leafs all the time even when they are bad. It’s beyond annoying and for some reason many of their fans are quite arrogant despite a lack of success. It’s like the yankees except they don’t win championships
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 22 @ 10:56 AM ET
Trending towards a buyout candidate.
- MJL


He'll probably still have some trade value down the road if they eat 50%. He's basically the next Luke Schenn/Bogosian/Jack Johnson. From unlimited upside to toolsy role-player.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
Yeah, but not a better goals/game than some of them at that point in their career. We gotta see when/if he slows with age or injury.

He might not! Ovie had a second wind after a little slump halfway through his career and he bounced back. He was the 10th fastest to get to 300.

This year Matthews crossed the 300 goal mark in his 482nd game early this season, good for 14th quickest. Gretzky had it done somehow at 350. Bure was actually 2nd and then Mario just after.

- Hesh_


Good points.

IMO Mario was the best ever. Guy could just score at will in a hundred different ways. And he was putting up 50-70 goals in the trap era, which is nuts. Pavel did too.... what a shame neither of them had OV's longevity and health.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Feb 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
Trending towards a buyout candidate.
- MJL

Is it really worth it to buy him out? Or is it better to retain on a trade? Or, and probably, are both so terrible that you just keep him.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
He'll probably still have some trade value down the road if they eat 50%. He's basically the next Luke Schenn/Bogosian/Jack Johnson. From unlimited upside to toolsy role-player.
- Tomahawk

You mean Cup winners?
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Feb 22 @ 11:19 AM ET
Say what you will about Torts, and I must admit he’s growing on me. But there’s no denying that it was a class act of him to seek permission from GMDB to speak with the players that are potentially getting traded. Those may be some of the little off-ice things that helps turn this franchise around and back to a destination for good free agents.

I haven’t been thrilled with the 7/11 but it seems to be working and it also kind of sends a message to the Phantoms that “none of you have earned a spot as one of the 12F, so keep improving and working hard.”

I think most of us agree that we want the Flyers to stay the course with this franchise-building plan insofar as expiring contracts need to be traded for assets, and older veterans need to seriously be considered as trade bait if the return makes the team more likely to be a contender in the next few years.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 22 @ 11:19 AM ET
thoughts of frost recently?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 22 @ 11:21 AM ET
thoughts of frost recently?
- 2Real

Him and Tipp were not good the past two games
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:21 AM ET
Good points.

IMO Mario was the best ever. Guy could just score at will in a hundred different ways. And he was putting up 50-70 goals in the trap era, which is nuts. Pavel did too.... what a shame neither of them had OV's longevity and health.

- Tomahawk



I was looking at Bossy's stats the other day. Holy crap, over 50 (sometimes 60) goals every year except his final season when he scored (only) 38.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
Say what you will about Torts, and I must admit he’s growing on me. But there’s no denying that it was a class act of him to seek permission from GMDB to speak with the players that are potentially getting traded. Those may be some of the little off-ice things that helps turn this franchise around and back to a destination for good free agents.

I haven’t been thrilled with the 7/11 but it seems to be working and it also kind of sends a message to the Phantoms that “none of you have earned a spot as one of the 12F, so keep improving and working hard.”

I think most of us agree that we want the Flyers to stay the course with this franchise-building plan insofar as expiring contracts need to be traded for assets, and older veterans need to seriously be considered as trade bait if the return makes the team more likely to be a contender in the next few years.

- mikeyo27

Is there an article to this?
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:25 AM ET
thoughts of frost recently?
- 2Real


Have seen a lot of frost this winter in NWFL - maybe just one or two mornings
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 22 @ 11:26 AM ET
You mean Cup winners?
- roenick97


Yeah, contenders look for those kinds of players for depth.

You just can't really contend with them playing high in the lineup.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 22 @ 11:30 AM ET
You mean Cup winners?
- roenick97


Separate but related, yet another year out of the playoffs for Buffalo. Wth are they doing with that franchise? Lots of first round picks but just cannot get it together. I mean, it Looks like the oilers have finally turned the corner but wow. What a mess. You’d think they accidentally get it right at a certain point.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:31 AM ET
Yeah, contenders look for those kinds of players for depth.

You just can't really contend with them playing high in the lineup.

- Tomahawk

No question. I see what you’re saying.

I won’t argue with anyone who hates Risto’s contract. It’s not an issue for me. I personally hated what we gave up for him. As a player, I don’t think he’s played bad. If he does get bought out and let’s say Tampa picks him up, I think Risto will be a good depth player.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
No question. I see what you’re saying.

I won’t argue with anyone who hates Risto’s contract. It’s not an issue for me. I personally hated what we gave up for him. As a player, I don’t think he’s played bad. If he does get bought out and let’s say Tampa picks him up, I think Risto will be a good depth player.

- roenick97


Exactly. Yep problems there. What we gave up to get him and what we signed him for. Probably the worst move by fletch once he’s done the contract he could be a decent bottom 6 guy for like 1 mil a year.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 22 @ 11:35 AM ET
Good points.

IMO Mario was the best ever. Guy could just score at will in a hundred different ways. And he was putting up 50-70 goals in the trap era, which is nuts. Pavel did too.... what a shame neither of them had OV's longevity and health.

- Tomahawk


Those guys had to play through the clutch and grab nhl as well. Imagine the point Mario would put up today with no one allowed to drape over him ?
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Feb 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
Just5
Yesterday @ 11:50 PM ET
Aww isn’t that cute lappy going 11/7 also.


😂

- coffee junkie

We have been clamoring for the Phantoms to have the same system as the Flyers. Go figure rock head emulates the one aspect of the Flyers system that you should steer clear of....
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Feb 22 @ 11:39 AM ET
ND is redundant to Hathaway. Hathaway provides everything that ND provides physically and then some. He hits anything that moves and he makes it count when he hits someone. Oh, and he has 6 goals on the season to ND's ZERO. ND has to go bye bye...I guess another buyout?
- Phillywhiteout

ND can't even hit now. I saw several occasions where the puck carrier passed the puck and then simply stepped sideways. But boy did ND punish those walls...
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Feb 22 @ 11:40 AM ET
so funny seeing cement head follow the other innovator using 11/7.

train keeps rolling. Hope TK gets 40 + goals and drives up the price tag to re-sign him.

- hello it's me 2050

That is about the only shot we have of not repeating the Couturier mistake
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 22 @ 11:41 AM ET
Him and Tipp were not good the past two games
- ClaudeFather


The Frost line dominated last night. Bill's talking about it on twitter right now.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 22 @ 11:42 AM ET
Those guys had to play through the clutch and grab nhl as well. Imagine the point Mario would put up today with no one allowed to drape over him ?
- Hextall271


Imagine Lindros if the league didn't allow and encourage defenders to elbow him in the head.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Feb 22 @ 11:44 AM ET
Well, I guess you and I look at depth completely differently. This team is playing 11 forwards cause they don't even have enough NHL level forwards to dress 12 and this includes ND (who shouldn't even be in the NHL anymore). Not sure how you see this team as having depth and I firmly disagree. Coots has not been playing well for awhile now and he looked VERY sluggish to me last night. When he was on the ice with ND last night I couldn't tell which one was more sluggish. Oh, and he has 3 points in his last 12 games (2 goals in his last 20). That ain't getting it done, so I'll disagree with your sentiment on that as well. Although he did throw a great check on York to prevent him from getting back into play on the lone Hawks goal.
- Phillywhiteout

Has Couturier scores since being made captain? Has Tippet scores since signing his extension?
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 22 @ 11:45 AM ET
Full Speed Ahead

TDL here we come!
Playoffs here we come!

- DSmooth


Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Feb 22 @ 11:48 AM ET
Imagine Lindros if the league didn't allow and encourage defenders to elbow him in the head.
- Feanor


I always think he was the most physically dominant player i ever saw...but think of the inverse. He wouldn't be able to just manhandle dudes like he did. It was a marvel, no joke if i had to win a hockey game maybe only Mario would be the guy i pick, dodgeball style, first. But to watch him just extinguish dudes (sometimes on the other side of the line)...that was part of what made him great. Not sure it would flourish along with his offensive skills as much as a Mario or Bure would
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