lol
look at Lamont trying to cyber bully someone into killing themselves.

so was RR a successful next presence for buffalo when he was used in that capacity? it is ok to say you don't know.
- hello it's me 2050

Is it working?

I don’t know. Why would I know? Why would the success rate matter if we don’t have a net front presence at all?

Marner has hit 90 plus points 3 times. Barkov once. Marner was a finalist for the Selke last season and is an elite defensive forward. Panarin and Hughes play with plenty of skilled high level players. Marner is better than Barkov because he is equal defensively and better offensively. Marner is better defensively than both Panarin and Hughes. Hughes may reach that uber elite level offensively in the future but until he does it and stays healthy, he is below Marner as a player.
- MJL

Hughes has played one full season and scored 99 points in that season. This year he’s scoring at over a 100 point clip. His job is to score. Hischier is their elite defensive forward and is better than Marner defensively. Hughes has done that scoring at 22. He’s clearly better. Panarin hasn’t had anyone close to Matthews. Kreider never scored more than 28 goals until 2 years ago. Barkov is clearly better than Marner defensively. Put him on a line with Tkachuk and he’ll score as much as Marner. Marner is a tier above Fiala but they both disappear in the playoffs. Marner has a huge advantage with the hype machine marketing in Toronto.

Marner is every bit as good as Hughes offensively and Marner is one of the best two way forwards in the entire league. Has been a finalist for the Selke award. Hughes is not.
- MJL

Follow-up question:

Does this mean if you were the Devils' GM and the Leafs offered you Marner even up for Jack Hughes, you would make that trade? If not, why not? You could then answer if salary considerations were taken out.

Hughes has played one full season and scored 99 points in that season. This year he’s scoring at over a 100 point clip. His job is to score. Hischier is their elite defensive forward and is better than Marner defensively. Hughes has done that scoring at 22. He’s clearly better. Panarin hasn’t had anyone close to Matthews. Kreider never scored more than 28 goals until 2 years ago. Barkov is clearly better than Marner defensively. Put him on a line with Tkachuk and he’ll score as much as Marner. Marner is a tier above Fiala but they both disappear in the playoffs. Marner has a huge advantage with the hype machine marketing in Toronto.
- Minnyhock

Much of this doesn't make any sense. It is true that Hughes has only played one full season, so he is not fully developed yet as a player in comparison to Marner. That doesn't make him better right now, which is the discussion. He may be better in the future, but not now. Is there a rule or something that a team can only have one elite defensive forward and that is preventing Hughes from being an elite defensive forward? Is Marner's job not to score? Same for Barkov? Yet that responsibility of having to score has not prevented either player from playing elite defensively as a forward. If we give the edge to Barkov defensively, he's won a Selke, Marner has not. That doesn't make him better. Marner is a better point producer and is an elite defensive forward. Witnessed by his top 3 finish in the Selke voting last season. Panarin has plenty of high level talent to play with, including a Norris trophy defenseman, which Marner does not have. If you think Marner and Fiala are even remotely close as players. Then you don't have a grasp of just how good Marner is. Marner is better than all 3 of those players in my opinion.

Follow-up question:

Does this mean if you were the Devils' GM and the Leafs offered you Marner even up for Jack Hughes, you would make that trade? If not, why not? You could then answer if salary considerations were taken out.
- GeorgeBailey

That brings in other factors that don't play into who is the better player right now. If you're an up and coming team like the Devil are, you'd want the 22 year old star player over the 26 year old star player.

Hughes has played one full season and scored 99 points in that season. This year he’s scoring at over a 100 point clip. His job is to score. Hischier is their elite defensive forward and is better than Marner defensively. Hughes has done that scoring at 22. He’s clearly better. Panarin hasn’t had anyone close to Matthews. Kreider never scored more than 28 goals until 2 years ago. Barkov is clearly better than Marner defensively. Put him on a line with Tkachuk and he’ll score as much as Marner. Marner is a tier above Fiala but they both disappear in the playoffs. Marner has a huge advantage with the hype machine marketing in Toronto.
- Minnyhock

You should look up what Marner did before the age of 22 lol. Turnkey impact player at the age of 19. Almost 300 points in his first 4 seasons.

When Hughes was 19-20 people were still wondering if he was a bust.

Also Mitch isn't a product of the players he's with. See how historically he steps up huge when Matthews is out of the lineup. And his defensive play and PK work are objectively great, it's not hype.

Edit: he also has 47 pts in 50 PO games... the Leafs can't close out a series to save their lives but it's a stretch to say that Mitch disappears lol.

You should look up what Marner did before the age of 22 lol. Turnkey impact player at the age of 19. Almost 300 points in his first 4 seasons.

When Hughes was 19-20 people were still wondering if he was a bust.

Also Mitch isn't a product of the players he's with. See how historically he steps up huge when Matthews is out of the lineup. And his defensive play and PK work are objectively great, it's not hype.
- Tomahawk

It doesn’t matter what people thought it’s what is. Marner had 26 goals and 94 points at age 22. Then at 25 he hit the 90s again. He’s a terrific player. He’s not hype but he benefits from all that hype. I’m just offering that he’s top 15 not top 10 and I think I’ve made the case.

It doesn’t matter what people thought it’s what is. Marner had 26 goals and 94 points at age 22. Then at 25 he hit the 90s again. He’s a terrific player. He’s not hype but he benefits from all that hype. I’m just offering that he’s top 15 not top 10 and I think I’ve made the case.
- Minnyhock

Sorry, but you haven't made the case that Panarin, Hughes and Barkov are better.

You should look up what Marner did before the age of 22 lol. Turnkey impact player at the age of 19. Almost 300 points in his first 4 seasons.

When Hughes was 19-20 people were still wondering if he was a bust.

Also Mitch isn't a product of the players he's with. See how historically he steps up huge when Matthews is out of the lineup. And his defensive play and PK work are objectively great, it's not hype.

Edit: he also has 47 pts in 50 PO games... the Leafs can't close out a series to save their lives but it's a stretch to say that Mitch disappears lol.
- Tomahawk

Lol. He’s a 100 pt playoff scorer in games 1-4 and less than half a point in games 5-7. He disappears when it matters most. Don’t fall in love with players.

Sorry, but you haven't made the case that Panarin, Hughes and Barkov are better.
- MJL

Make a proclamation with no evidence. Sorry. Weak sauce.

Make a proclamation with no evidence. Sorry. Weak sauce.
- Minnyhock

I didn't provide any evidence to support my position? Of course I did. The evidence you offered was that Hischier is the Devils elite defensive forward, as if there is a rule a team can only have one. That Marner plays with better players, etc. That's the weak sauce. Marner is no question a top 10 NHL forward in my opinion.

Lol. He’s a 100 pt playoff scorer in games 1-4 and less than half a point in games 5-7. He disappears when it matters most. Don’t fall in love with players.
- Minnyhock

That may be the case but you compared him to Kevin Fiala...

I didn't provide any evidence to support my position? Of course I did. The evidence you offered was that Hischier is the Devils elite defensive forward, as if there is a rule a team can only have one. That Marner plays with better players, etc. That's the weak sauce. Marner is no question a top 10 NHL forward in my opinion.
- MJL

No your proclamation had no evidence. You’re saying your evidence matters and mine doesn’t. Good luck with that. Look I said he’s top 15 and you seem miffed about that. You said he’s top 10 and I challenged it. I’m ok with that you saying he’s top 10. You’re not Marners agent.

That may be the case but you compared him to Kevin Fiala...
- Tomahawk

Now that was a stretch. I can’t help it. Fiala caused me playoff pain. No worries.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cu...-prospects-list-1.2079455

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cutter-gauthier-alexander-nikishin-lead-craig-button-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-list-1.2079455
- hello it's me 2050

quitter still a douche bag that should get booed when he plays in philly

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cutter-gauthier-alexander-nikishin-lead-craig-button-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-list-1.2079455
- hello it's me 2050

Funny how Gauthier got better after refusing to sign with the Flyers….he was on average 10-15 on any list before…more trolling Flyers fan…something that dip shiit loves to do.

Funny how Gauthier got better after refusing to sign with the Flyers….he was on average 10-15 on any list before…more trolling Flyers fan…something that dip shiit loves to do.
- landros 2

💯

speaking of, CC looking like another early spring on the golf course, unless he ask for a trade.
- hello it's me 2050

point per game, plus player on that team....top pker

A lot of great match ups tonight. Hopefully the Aves whip the floor with the wings. Rangers over Devils. Cats over Canes

Marner is better than Hughes. Panarin and Barkov.
- MJL

ill take Barkov

Quitter Gauthier was on NHL Network when I got in the car this morning, but I missed most of the interview. Didn't say anything about the Flyers, but sounded like a pretty well spoken dude. He will still get booed off the ice when he makes his first appearance in Philly.

ill take Barkov
- THE BLACK HAND

As would anyone with half a brain

As would anyone with half a brain
- ClaudeFather

That's a stupid statement. One may prefer Barkov, I have no issue with that. They're on a very close level as players. However to insinuate that there is a clear difference between the two players, is just ignorance on your part. Which is becoming par for the course.

Caps over Tampa! 👌