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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 4 @ 11:28 AM ET
Over the last 24 games, the Flyers power play is 18.2 percent (tied for 20th in the NHL in that span). Obviously, that's still below average but not remotely as bad as it had been before that: 9.8 percent through 38 games was a pace to be the worst PP performance by any team since the NHL made it an official stat in 1977.

Of course, there was nowhere to go but up. It's nearly impossible by sheer puck luck to be below 10 percent for a whole season.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Mar 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
Over the last 24 games, the Flyers power play is 18.2 percent (tied for 20th in the NHL in that span). Obviously, that's still below average but not remotely as bad as it had been before that: 9.8 percent through 38 games was a pace to be the worst PP performance by any team since the NHL made it an official stat in 1977.

Of course, there was nowhere to go but up. It's nearly impossible by sheer puck luck to be below 10 percent for a whole season.

- bmeltzer


Hey Bill,

If you had to guess, where does the Seeler and Walker extension come in at about? 3x3 for Seeler and 5x5 for Walker?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 4 @ 11:39 AM ET
Actually it should be run through Frost. Konecny is a shooter. On the PP, Konecny isn't close to being the best player. Frost is the best producer on the PP.
- MJL

Frost has not shown he can run a PP at the NHL level. TK is far and away your best player, you act like he can’t make a pass. He’s your best bet for a PP to be successful.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 4 @ 11:48 AM ET
This team always amazes me when they score. I have no idea how they do it lol
- Just5


Very rarely through set plays or sheer skill. I'll give guys like Forester, Tippett and Konecny who can fire it a great deal of credit.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 11:51 AM ET
Frost has not shown he can run a PP at the NHL level. TK is far and away your best player, you act like he can’t make a pass. He’s your best bet for a PP to be successful.
- ClaudeFather


This is stupidity on your part. As if saying the PP should run through Frost is the same as saying Konecny can't make a pass. He is not the best bet for the PP to be successful. He is the teams best player overall but he is not the most effective by far on the PP.

In comparison of Frost and Konecny on the PP. Frost, despite playing 43 minutes and change less of PP time than Konecny. Which based on Konecny's average time on ice per game on the PP, is the equivalent of Konecny playing 14 more games than Frost. Frost has outpointed Konecny on the PP 9 to 6. Frost has 2 PP goals to Konecny's 3. Frost has 7 PP assists to Konecny's 3. To equalize ice time and look at rate. In goals, Konecny is only slightly better than Frost with Konecny at 1.04, ranked 5th on the team to Frost at .93 ranked 6th. In terms of assists, Frost is easily the team leader at 3.25, with the next closest forward Farabee at 2.26. Konecny is 9th on the team at 1.04. Konecny leads the team in scoring chance rate at 15.3. Clearly this information shows that the PP should be run through Frost as the set up player and players like Konecny and Tippett should be shooters. Frost is the best option on the team to QB the PP along with Zamula who is the most effective PP defenseman on the team. Overall on the team among all positions. Konecny ranks 12th on the team in points/60 on the PP.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 4 @ 11:51 AM ET
Do you want him to sell low or try to get the most out of trades? He can't force teams to pay his price.
- WhiskeyMan


Doesn't mean you can't take the best offer.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 11:58 AM ET
taken from elsewhere:

Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Philly likely to add a CHEAP goaltender and veteran forward at the deadline.
- they will not budge on contract or trade negotiations. Friedman expects Laughton to stay in Philly.
- said he heard on Sunday that Philly has their eyes on the playoffs and want to acquire pieces to make that happen, but not high end assets used to acquire it.
- said they touched on Zegras, but they don’t want to spend the assets to acquire.
- although there’s a bunch of noise regarding Seeler, Walker, and Laughton, if teams don’t match, then they’re not moving. Philly also won’t budge on contracts negotiations. Walker wants 5 years likely around 30 mil and Philly doesn’t want to go that long. Seeler wants somewhere above 3 and Philly doesn’t want to go that high.

He expressed a little concern that they’re backing themselves into a corner. If they won’t play ball, then it fully comes down to how Briere can handle everything caving in at once.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 4 @ 12:04 PM ET
taken from elsewhere:

Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Philly likely to add a CHEAP goaltender and veteran forward at the deadline.
- they will not budge on contract or trade negotiations. Friedman expects Laughton to stay in Philly.
- said he heard on Sunday that Philly has their eyes on the playoffs and want to acquire pieces to make that happen, but not high end assets used to acquire it.
- said they touched on Zegras, but they don’t want to spend the assets to acquire.
- although there’s a bunch of noise regarding Seeler, Walker, and Laughton, if teams don’t match, then they’re not moving. Philly also won’t budge on contracts negotiations. Walker wants 5 years likely around 30 mil and Philly doesn’t want to go that long. Seeler wants somewhere above 3 and Philly doesn’t want to go that high.

He expressed a little concern that they’re backing themselves into a corner. If they won’t play ball, then it fully comes down to how Briere can handle everything caving in at once.

- hello it's me 2050


Interesting. Well Then you have them for a playoff run and lose them as ufas. This is not the worst thing in the world. I don’t mind at all briere digging in here.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 4 @ 12:06 PM ET
Hey Bill,

If you had to guess, where does the Seeler and Walker extension come in at about? 3x3 for Seeler and 5x5 for Walker?

- StepfordSam


My guess, Seeler 4 x $3.5M & Walker 6 x $4.75M. They'll spend to keep Seeler's years down and give Walker years to keep AAV down. Walker is slightly younger, RH, & more of a point producer
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Mar 4 @ 12:08 PM ET
taken from elsewhere:

Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Philly likely to add a CHEAP goaltender and veteran forward at the deadline.
- they will not budge on contract or trade negotiations. Friedman expects Laughton to stay in Philly.
- said he heard on Sunday that Philly has their eyes on the playoffs and want to acquire pieces to make that happen, but not high end assets used to acquire it.
- said they touched on Zegras, but they don’t want to spend the assets to acquire.
- although there’s a bunch of noise regarding Seeler, Walker, and Laughton, if teams don’t match, then they’re not moving. Philly also won’t budge on contracts negotiations. Walker wants 5 years likely around 30 mil and Philly doesn’t want to go that long. Seeler wants somewhere above 3 and Philly doesn’t want to go that high.

He expressed a little concern that they’re backing themselves into a corner. If they won’t play ball, then it fully comes down to how Briere can handle everything caving in at once.

- hello it's me 2050


Never in doubt. Until these old heads die, it’s going to be like this for the Flyers.

😂


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 12:17 PM ET
Interesting. Well Then you have them for a playoff run and lose them as ufas. This is not the worst thing in the world. I don’t mind at all briere digging in here.
- Just5

my thougts.

- not shocked they want to add a vet or 2 whiteout giving up high end parts. Said that a while back

- will not budge is their way of really not wanting to trade anynone.

- so they are ok with paying walker 6 per just not at 5 years?

just to me towing the line with no real direction. shocking I must say
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 4 @ 12:18 PM ET
my thougts.

- not shocked they want to add a vet or 2 whiteout giving up high end parts. Said that a while back

- will not budge is their way of really not wanting to trade anynone.

- so they are ok with paying walker 6 per just not at 5 years?

just to me towing the line with no real direction. shocking I must say

- hello it's me 2050

They never learn
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 4 @ 12:24 PM ET
taken from elsewhere:

Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Philly likely to add a CHEAP goaltender and veteran forward at the deadline.
- they will not budge on contract or trade negotiations. Friedman expects Laughton to stay in Philly.
- said he heard on Sunday that Philly has their eyes on the playoffs and want to acquire pieces to make that happen, but not high end assets used to acquire it.
- said they touched on Zegras, but they don’t want to spend the assets to acquire.
- although there’s a bunch of noise regarding Seeler, Walker, and Laughton, if teams don’t match, then they’re not moving. Philly also won’t budge on contracts negotiations. Walker wants 5 years likely around 30 mil and Philly doesn’t want to go that long. Seeler wants somewhere above 3 and Philly doesn’t want to go that high.

He expressed a little concern that they’re backing themselves into a corner. If they won’t play ball, then it fully comes down to how Briere can handle everything caving in at once.

- hello it's me 2050


The sky is falling the sky is falling!

So far there have only been 2 trades of consequence recently, Monaghan and Tanev. There will be trades this week and hopefully the Flyers do something to benefit in the long run. GMs will soon be getting itchy trigger fingers. There are teams who’s fan base, the media, ownership expect a deep playoff run, and there at GMs who’s jobs are on the line. GMDB is being no more patient than the other sellers at this point. Briere’s done nothing stupid to date and has done a good job with his transactions and signings. The Provorov trade, the Quitter trade, and the signing of Tippet… all quality. The man has about 4 days and 2 1/2 hours to do a good job.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 12:31 PM ET
The sky is falling the sky is falling!

So far there have only been 2 trades of consequence recently, Monaghan and Tanev. There will be trades this week and hopefully the Flyers do something to benefit in the long run. GMs will soon be getting itchy trigger fingers. There are teams who’s fan base, the media, ownership expect a deep playoff run, and there at GMs who’s jobs are on the line. GMDB is being no more patient than the other sellers at this point. Briere’s done nothing stupid to date and has done a good job with his transactions and signings. The Provorov trade, the Quitter trade, and the signing of Tippet… all quality. The man has about 4 days and 2 1/2 hours to do a good job.

- mikeyo27



That's all true. If the Flyers make a couple of minor deals without giving up any valuable assets or tying up significant future cap space to add a backup goalie and a depth forward. I won't be too upset about that. However that they're even thinking about paying Walker 6M a year, regardless of term, is a red flag. He should be dealt. Friedman is a pretty connected source and my gut tells me that the Flyers are playing the "nobody wanted to meet our price" game while asking for a prohibitive return to mask their true intention. Which is that they're all in on the playoffs. They can't help themselves.
Laceemup88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.26.2018

Mar 4 @ 12:31 PM ET
Frost has not shown he can run a PP at the NHL level. TK is far and away your best player, you act like he can’t make a pass. He’s your best bet for a PP to be successful.
- ClaudeFather


The zone entry is pretty bad as well. Spending a minute to a minute and 15 to get set up doesn’t help. They like Farabee carrying in when he is out there, don’t know why. He makes bad decisions. He either passes it to a totally marked player or skates into a crowd where he often loses the puck. Carrying and stick handling are not his strengths. His best attribute is a spot shooter.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 4 @ 12:36 PM ET
taken from elsewhere:

Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Philly likely to add a CHEAP goaltender and veteran forward at the deadline.
- they will not budge on contract or trade negotiations. Friedman expects Laughton to stay in Philly.
- said he heard on Sunday that Philly has their eyes on the playoffs and want to acquire pieces to make that happen, but not high end assets used to acquire it.
- said they touched on Zegras, but they don’t want to spend the assets to acquire.
- although there’s a bunch of noise regarding Seeler, Walker, and Laughton, if teams don’t match, then they’re not moving. Philly also won’t budge on contracts negotiations. Walker wants 5 years likely around 30 mil and Philly doesn’t want to go that long. Seeler wants somewhere above 3 and Philly doesn’t want to go that high.

He expressed a little concern that they’re backing themselves into a corner. If they won’t play ball, then it fully comes down to how Briere can handle everything caving in at once.

- hello it's me 2050


Anybody who's been following this team for any length of time knows this was coming.

The only difference this time is they said the 'R' word to placate the fans, but as Jonesy said, it's all really just BS.

The twenty year retool continues.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 4 @ 12:38 PM ET
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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 12:39 PM ET
Never in doubt. Until these old heads die, it’s going to be like this for the Flyers.

😂

- StepfordSam

i do not thin clarke, homer, or barber are involved at all.

This is majority torts and "jonesy".
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 4 @ 12:40 PM ET
Over the last 24 games, the Flyers power play is 18.2 percent (tied for 20th in the NHL in that span). Obviously, that's still below average but not remotely as bad as it had been before that: 9.8 percent through 38 games was a pace to be the worst PP performance by any team since the NHL made it an official stat in 1977.

Of course, there was nowhere to go but up. It's nearly impossible by sheer puck luck to be below 10 percent for a whole season.

- bmeltzer


I like PP1, putting the young players together, just let them have at it. ND at 7 minutes a night, I know, no big deal but give Lycksell 3 games, close to 10 minutes a night and lets see how he does.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 12:40 PM ET
That's all true. If the Flyers make a couple of minor deals without giving up any valuable assets or tying up significant future cap space to add a backup goalie and a depth forward. I won't be too upset about that. However that they're even thinking about paying Walker 6M a year, regardless of term, is a red flag. He should be dealt. Friedman is a pretty connected source and my gut tells me that the Flyers are playing the "nobody wanted to meat our price" game while asking for a prohibitive return to mask their true intention. Which is that they're all in on the playoffs. They can't help themselves.
- MJL

pretty much what some have been saying from day 1
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 4 @ 12:44 PM ET
Frost has not shown he can run a PP at the NHL level. TK is far and away your best player, you act like he can’t make a pass. He’s your best bet for a PP to be successful.
- ClaudeFather


TK is a really good overall offensive player but he isn't dangerous enough in either the shooting or playmaking departments to really keep the PKers honest. Ditto everybody else in the lineup to varying degrees.

Dudes like Pasta, Kuch, Marner, Aho, McD, Nate, Drai... you take one extra stride toward them and they find the open guy.... you back off and they go high cheese.

Michkov is the Flyers best and only hope.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 4 @ 12:45 PM ET
That's all true. If the Flyers make a couple of minor deals without giving up any valuable assets or tying up significant future cap space to add a backup goalie and a depth forward. I won't be too upset about that. However that they're even thinking about paying Walker 6M a year, regardless of term, is a red flag. He should be dealt. Friedman is a pretty connected source and my gut tells me that the Flyers are playing the "nobody wanted to meat our price" game while asking for a prohibitive return to mask their true intention. Which is that they're all in on the playoffs. They can't help themselves.
- MJL


I agree that that’s the fear and I am on board with all the outrage if that actually is what comes to pass.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 4 @ 12:46 PM ET
The zone entry is pretty bad as well. Spending a minute to a minute and 15 to get set up doesn’t help. They like Farabee carrying in when he is out there, don’t know why. He makes bad decisions. He either passes it to a totally marked player or skates into a crowd where he often loses the puck. Carrying and stick handling are not his strengths. His best attribute is a spot shooter.
- Laceemup88


Zone entries have been much better overall this season. The problems: no netfront presence , no consistent bumper or flank finisher.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 12:46 PM ET
TK is a really good overall offensive player but he isn't dangerous enough in either the shooting or playmaking departments to really keep the PKers honest. Ditto everybody else in the lineup to varying degrees.

Dudes like Pasta, Kuch, Marner, Aho, McD, Nate, Drai... you take one extra stride toward them and they find the open guy.... you back off and they go high cheese.

Michkov is the Flyers best and only hope.

- Tomahawk



Nah, Flyers are going to add a goalie and a forward. This team is making the playoffs and we have the future Jack Adams award winner.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 4 @ 12:47 PM ET
Scott Wheeler ranked MM the top prospect in the league btw:

https://theathletic.com/5...ects-2024-matvei-michkov/

(Cutter's 5th in the next tier down. Brink and Bonk also make the list. Andrae's an honorable mention)
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