I agree that that’s the fear and I am on board with all the outrage if that actually is what comes to pass.
- mikeyo27

When you look at reports and the vibe coming from teams who are and have truly rebuilt. There is no ambiguity from them. They announce they're selling and are going to try and add assets. No conditions applied to it such as our price has to be met. Not with the Flyers though. We're in a playoff spot and they're not passing that up.

taken from elsewhere:

Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Philly likely to add a CHEAP goaltender and veteran forward at the deadline.
- they will not budge on contract or trade negotiations. Friedman expects Laughton to stay in Philly.
- said he heard on Sunday that Philly has their eyes on the playoffs and want to acquire pieces to make that happen, but not high end assets used to acquire it.
- said they touched on Zegras, but they don’t want to spend the assets to acquire.
- although there’s a bunch of noise regarding Seeler, Walker, and Laughton, if teams don’t match, then they’re not moving. Philly also won’t budge on contracts negotiations. Walker wants 5 years likely around 30 mil and Philly doesn’t want to go that long. Seeler wants somewhere above 3 and Philly doesn’t want to go that high.

He expressed a little concern that they’re backing themselves into a corner. If they won’t play ball, then it fully comes down to how Briere can handle everything caving in at once.
- hello it's me 2050

i can't not understand why we would ADD unless it's trading for prospects or younger players

i can't not understand why we would ADD unless it's trading for prospects or younger players
- 2Real

why cant you understand it? it has always been about the playoffs.

Frost has not shown he can run a PP at the NHL level. TK is far and away your best player, you act like he can’t make a pass. He’s your best bet for a PP to be successful.
- ClaudeFather

TK is scoring at half the rate as Frost on the PP this season: 2.09 PPP/60 to 4.2 PPP/60.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...sPer60&page=0&pageSize=50

TK has 6 PPP in 172:35

Frost has 9 PPP in 128:35

The sky is falling the sky is falling!

So far there have only been 2 trades of consequence recently, Monaghan and Tanev. There will be trades this week and hopefully the Flyers do something to benefit in the long run. GMs will soon be getting itchy trigger fingers. There are teams who’s fan base, the media, ownership expect a deep playoff run, and there at GMs who’s jobs are on the line. GMDB is being no more patient than the other sellers at this point. Briere’s done nothing stupid to date and has done a good job with his transactions and signings. The Provorov trade, the Quitter trade, and the signing of Tippet… all quality. The man has about 4 days and 2 1/2 hours to do a good job.
- mikeyo27

3 in 4 nights, then off till Thursday, yea it will heat up after tonight

i can't not understand why we would ADD unless it's trading for prospects or younger players
- 2Real

If the Canes go grab Guentzel, Tarasenko or Buchnevich I can see Antti Raanta and Jesper Fast fitting that criteria for dirt cheap.

From Friedman today

In terms of the current Flyers that could find themselves on other teams, there is no new information coming from Friedman. Defensemen Sean Walker and Nick Seeler are in a current standstill, as general manager Danny Briere gets to know where they stand in terms of contract extension desires, and what they could get in a trade before Friday. For veteran forward Scott Laughton, it’s the same ol’ news — the price is very high for a contender to pry him away from Philadelphia.

Zone entries have been much better overall this season. The problems: no netfront presence , no consistent bumper or flank finisher.
- bmeltzer

I agree with those as points as well. Who would of thought that we’d miss JVR a tad.

From Friedman today
- jd250

exactly how a rebuild should be planned.

the head coach is responsible for the PP. He only hold certain peeps accountable.

they would def have a few more points with even a functioning PP. The fact he has never made a change is a disgrace.
- hello it's me 2050

You crack me up sometimes, you really do. On one hand we all agree that the Flyers lack elite talent, and without TK in the lineup even all-star talent, but then in the other hand we are appalled the PP is so bad and it has to be Tort's fault? Come on man ...

TK is scoring at half the rate as Frost on the PP this season: 2.09 PPP/60 to 4.2 PPP/60.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...sPer60&page=0&pageSize=50

TK has 6 PPP in 172:35

Frost has 9 PPP in 128:35
- Feanor

Let’s save the rates talk when we are talking about under 10 points, how about that. This isn’t some slam dunk case that you think it is. This is exactly where the rates and per 60 nonsense isn’t worth it.

TK is scoring at half the rate as Frost on the PP this season: 2.09 PPP/60 to 4.2 PPP/60.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...sPer60&page=0&pageSize=50

TK has 6 PPP in 172:35

Frost has 9 PPP in 128:35
- Feanor

It's a complete travesty that Frost was not an all-star this year and was not picked to wear the 'A'

You crack me up sometimes, you really do. On one hand we all agree that the Flyers lack elite talent, and without TK in the lineup even all-star talent, but then in the other hand we are appalled the PP is so bad and it has to be Tort's fault? Come on man ...
- jd250

yes appalled when you have a 5 on 4 advantage. yes it is 100% on the coach as he has made zero adjustments in 2 years. dont need elite talent to be better than last on the PP.

so who else is mainly to blame for the putrid PP in your opinion?

yes appalled when you have a 5 on 4 advantage. yes it is 100% on the coach as he has made zero adjustments in 2 years. dont need elite talent to be better than last on the PP.

so who else is mainly to blame for the putrid PP in your opinion?
- hello it's me 2050

80% of the blame is on the players. Once you get to higher levels of play, the PP is pretty much driven by the creativity and talent of the players out there. Look at the Flyers PP most nights, do you honestly think Torts or Rocky are coaching the players to pass the puck around the perimeter or fire it around the boards without getting a good shot?

The top 5 PPs in the league this season are:

1. Tampa
2. Leafs
3. Hurricanes
4. Oilers
5. Panthers

Now what do all these teams have in common?

You crack me up sometimes, you really do. On one hand we all agree that the Flyers lack elite talent, and without TK in the lineup even all-star talent, but then in the other hand we are appalled the PP is so bad and it has to be Tort's fault? Come on man ...
- jd250

Tortorella is not completely absolved of blame for the putrid PP overall this season.

Let’s save the rates talk when we are talking about under 10 points, how about that. This isn’t some slam dunk case that you think it is. This is exactly where the rates and per 60 nonsense isn’t worth it.
- ClaudeFather

Yes, it is a slam dunk case. State why the per 60 data is nonsense and isn't worth it? That's missing from your rhetoric here. The bottom line is Konecny is simply not that effective on the PP and Frost is significantly better this season. That's what the facts show. You can turn a blind eye to it foolishly but the data is clear.

It's a complete travesty that Frost was not an all-star this year and was not picked to wear the 'A'
- jd250

That's a stupid reply, even for you.

80% of the blame is on the players. Once you get to higher levels of play, the PP is pretty much driven by the creativity and talent of the players out there. Look at the Flyers PP most nights, do you honestly think Torts or Rocky are coaching the players to pass the puck around the perimeter or fire it around the boards without getting a good shot?

The top 5 PPs in the league this season are:

1. Tampa
2. Leafs
3. Hurricanes
4. Oilers
5. Panthers

Now what do all these teams have in common?
- jd250

a better pp coach and pp system

80% lol. i have zero idea what they are coaching. looks like they are not coaching at all

a better pp coach and pp system

80% lol.
- hello it's me 2050

you're funny. Of course, the correct answer is, multiple elite and all-star caliber players on each PP.

you're funny. Of course, the correct answer is, multiple elite and all-star caliber players on each PP.
- jd250

so my answer isn't correct?

From Friedman today
- jd250

I wont have a problem if they don't trade Laughton, Frost, Atkinson or any player with term at the deadline. Those are players you SHOULD wait for the best deal possible and if what you want isn't met, they can be dealt at the draft or revisited at the deadline next year etc.

With Walker and Seeler, when you see the contracts and term they are apparently looking for, you trade them for the best deal you are offered. End of statement. In fact I would take them walking for nothing (at least you get cap space) rather than signing them to those contracts.

That's a stupid reply, even for you.
- MJL

Actually I have a question for you. First I hope you had a pleasant weekend. Now previously you posted that you thought Frost is a 3C. As we all know, I am documented at one point early last year as doubting Frost's ability to translate to the NHL and thought he might be an AHL tweener. Now I think we both agree that Frost will never and should never be a 4th liner in the NHL, that he should playing in the top 9 in the NHL. I think we also agree that in the AHL Frost would be a top line center. So here is my question. How much difference is there really between an AHL 1C and a NHL 3C?

I wont have a problem if they don't trade Laughton, Frost, Atkinson or any player with term at the deadline. Those are player you SHOULD wait for he best deal possible and if what you want isn't met, tey can be dealt at the draft or revisited at the deadline next year etc.

With Walker and Seeler, when you see the contracts and term they are apparently looking for, you trade them for the best deal you are offered. End of statement. In fact I would take them walking for nothing (at least you get cap space) rather than signing them to those contracts.
- MBFlyerfan

would really love to know the value they place on laughton, walker, and seeler.

so my answer isn't correct?
- hello it's me 2050

Well, let's just say it needs some work. But look on the bright side, I do believe there is some accountability on coaching, for example zone entries can certainly be something that is coached up. Oh wait, the Flyers are actually much better now at zone entries on the PP than they were last year or early this year. So I guess the coaching is actually working.

would really love to know the value they place on laughton, walker, and seeler.
- hello it's me 2050

So would I, though by most accounts it seems that a 1st round pick is the common theme.