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TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 4 @ 3:00 PM ET
I’m not saying the Flyers will take a run at Tarasenko or anyone along those lines (they shouldn’t), I sure do miss the days of a deadline add, such as Tony Amonte or Adam Oates.
- roenick97



One of the worst trades in Philly history. For what? 12 games?
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Mar 4 @ 3:00 PM ET
And they were pegged to be a bottom 5 team. Torts just doing a phenomenal job.
- ClaudeFather

The Flyers are getting unbelievably lucky despite coaching in a manner that is costing us above average prospects
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Mar 4 @ 3:02 PM ET
I wont have a problem if they don't trade Laughton, Frost, Atkinson or any player with term at the deadline. Those are players you SHOULD wait for the best deal possible and if what you want isn't met, they can be dealt at the draft or revisited at the deadline next year etc.

With Walker and Seeler, when you see the contracts and term they are apparently looking for, you trade them for the best deal you are offered. End of statement. In fact I would take them walking for nothing (at least you get cap space) rather than signing them to those contracts.

- MBFlyerfan


Agreed. I'm thinking it's better to keep Walker/Seeler than sell them too low if they intend to make the PO's. Then, let them walk at the end of the year if they want too much money. Either way, they get them for fair prices on shorter term deals or they get some salary cap relief. Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use, but there can be a win/win from the Flyer's perspective. This is particularly true in light of the fact that a 2nd is probably the best they can get, and 2nd rounders have a small chance at ever playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Mar 4 @ 3:05 PM ET
Agreed. I'm thinking it's better to keep Walker/Seeler than sell them too low if they intend to make the PO's. Then, let them walk at the end of the year if they want too much money. Either way, they get them for fair prices on shorter term deals or they get some salary cap relief. Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use, but there can be a win/win from the Flyer's perspective. This is particularly true in light of the fact that a 2nd is probably the best they can get, and 2nd rounders have a small chance at ever playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
- Letterkenney


I am not sure that is true. But 2nds also have value in making trades or packaging them to move up in a draft.

I still will contend I think Walker is still moved. Seeler I think they want to keep at their price. And I could see them using cap space to facilitate a deal and acquire picks
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 3:06 PM ET
Agreed. I'm thinking it's better to keep Walker/Seeler than sell them too low if they intend to make the PO's. Then, let them walk at the end of the year if they want too much money. Either way, they get them for fair prices on shorter term deals or they get some salary cap relief. Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use, but there can be a win/win from the Flyer's perspective. This is particularly true in light of the fact that a 2nd is probably the best they can get, and 2nd rounders have a small chance at ever playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
- Letterkenney

getting nothing has a zero chance. small > zero

now based on what "jonesy" said and the fact their is no rebuild you keep them.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 4 @ 3:07 PM ET
This is particularly true in light of the fact that a 2nd is probably the best they can get, and 2nd rounders have a small chance at ever playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
- Letterkenney


It's like 20-25% that a 2nd-rounder pans out, depending on your criteria of success. That's not really low odds.

Those odds are probably better than the Flyers winning many games in the POs.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Mar 4 @ 3:08 PM ET
But if it's a rebuild, does it matter?

I think Campbell has a little more track record then Peterson. Didn't Peterson get paid off one strong season? Not sure so correct me if I am wrong.

- J35Bacher


Campbell has 3 years left on his contract. Flyers would be looking for a rental.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 4 @ 3:09 PM ET
I rather deal walker separately. Unless it id real good value coming back.

Not sure that package does it. Broberg is more of a suspect than prospect. No issue taking a chance with him mind you.

- hello it's me 2050


Not true, numerous sources from TSN, Sportsnet and The Hockey News have covered Broberg and his level of play. By all accounts, he is more than ready to be a regular NHLer.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 3:14 PM ET
Not true, numerous sources from TSN, Sportsnet and The Hockey News have covered Broberg and his level of play. By all accounts, he is more than ready to be a regular NHLer.
- TheFreak

coming up on 5 years for his draft. no longer a prospect to me. Well then he has been on the market for many months. unless they are getting bad offers doesn't seem much interest.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Mar 4 @ 3:22 PM ET
coming up on 5 years for his draft. no longer a prospect to me. Well then he has been on the market for many months. unless they are getting bad offers doesn't seem much interest.
- hello it's me 2050



Maybe it could be another Coburn deal. Give the guy a regular role and see if he can thrive. He is only 22 so you acquire another youngish defender to build with York and Drysdale.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 4 @ 3:25 PM ET
Maybe it could be another Coburn deal. Give the guy a regular role and see if he can thrive. He is only 22 so you acquire another youngish defender to build with York and Drysdale.
- J35Bacher

could be. not against acquiring him at all. at a solid cost.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 3:26 PM ET
priceless! I wasn't asking for me, I was asking for a friend.
- jd250


When are you ever going to get serious with yourself and this sport?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 3:29 PM ET
Agreed. I'm thinking it's better to keep Walker/Seeler than sell them too low if they intend to make the PO's. Then, let them walk at the end of the year if they want too much money. Either way, they get them for fair prices on shorter term deals or they get some salary cap relief. Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use, but there can be a win/win from the Flyer's perspective. This is particularly true in light of the fact that a 2nd is probably the best they can get, and 2nd rounders have a small chance at ever playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
- Letterkenney


Honestly, when the Flyers stop ridiculously overvaluing just making the playoffs, maybe they'll get somewhere. I do know that a 2nd round pick has a substantial greater odds of playing in the NHL on a regular basis over not having a pick.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 4 @ 3:38 PM ET
You make up nicknames for people based on TV shows that haven't been in the public lexicon in 30+ years yet being called a boomer is lame. Well at least it's current.
- Flyerz74

Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 4 @ 3:39 PM ET
JESPER FAST AND ANTTI RAANTA
- BINGO!


No thanks.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 4 @ 3:39 PM ET
One of the worse trades in Philly history. For what? 12 games?
- TheFreak

What can I say. I liked Adam Oates.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Mar 4 @ 3:40 PM ET
I am not sure that is true. But 2nds also have value in making trades or packaging them to move up in a draft.

I still will contend I think Walker is still moved. Seeler I think they want to keep at their price. And I could see them using cap space to facilitate a deal and acquire picks

- J35Bacher


Did you see where I wrote "Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use,..."?
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Mar 4 @ 3:42 PM ET
It's like 20-25% that a 2nd-rounder pans out, depending on your criteria of success. That's not really low odds.

Those odds are probably better than the Flyers winning many games in the POs.

- Tomahawk


Like I said in the post, I'd rather they trade them and stock draft picks as future assets, but I can also see it from the Flyer's perspective.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Mar 4 @ 3:43 PM ET
I've spent the last couple months super agitated by posters (on all boards) and podcasters consistently hammering on the "same old flyers brass" and "I guess the rebuild is over" poop. The whole time I was waiting for this deadline (and off-season) to circle back and enjoy the crow buffet. I REALLY LIKE Danny and Keith Jones as dudes. Keith Jones is legit one of my favorite people related to Philadelphia sports. When they all continued to double down on the fact they were gonna keep their eye on the prize and build this team the right way, I wanted to believe them SO MUCH.

I've been a Flyers fan for a long time, and while i've been frustrated I've never truly felt betrayed before. I know the trade deadline isn't the ONLY place to make moves for the future, but if they not only fail to get interesting assets at the deadline, but also RESIGN benign players for larger than necessary contracts....i'm gonna feel cheated and lied to. Fingers crossed DB comes through with a 4th QTR comeback on Friday.

JIC....anyone with Photoshop skills able to make a PHILADELPHIA LIARS logo?
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Mar 4 @ 3:44 PM ET
Honestly, when the Flyers stop ridiculously overvaluing just making the playoffs, maybe they'll get somewhere. I do know that a 2nd round pick has a substantial greater odds of playing in the NHL on a regular basis over not having a pick.
- MJL


I don't disagree. That's why I wrote "Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use,..."
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 4 @ 3:44 PM ET
Agreed. I'm thinking it's better to keep Walker/Seeler than sell them too low if they intend to make the PO's. Then, let them walk at the end of the year if they want too much money. Either way, they get them for fair prices on shorter term deals or they get some salary cap relief. Personally, I'd like to see them traded to stock draft assets for future use, but there can be a win/win from the Flyer's perspective. This is particularly true in light of the fact that a 2nd is probably the best they can get, and 2nd rounders have a small chance at ever playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
- Letterkenney


True but you can take the 2nd from this year and potential 2nd from a Walker trade, package those 2 2nds and try to move into the late first.

Wasn't too long ago the Flyers did just that and that late 1st rounder was Konecny.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 4 @ 3:46 PM ET
No thanks.
- Pelle31Forever


too late no take backsies
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 4 @ 3:56 PM ET
When are you ever going to get serious with yourself and this sport?
- MJL

When you learn to lighten up and have more fun.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 4 @ 3:59 PM ET
Honestly, when the Flyers stop ridiculously overvaluing just making the playoffs, maybe they'll get somewhere. I do know that a 2nd round pick has a substantial greater odds of playing in the NHL on a regular basis over not having a pick.
- MJL

Making the playoffs in extremely valuable when a team is trying to build a winning culture and develop their younger players. I don't think Briere is over-valuing making the playoffs to a point that will stop him from making deals for the future of this team. If it did then I would say the Flyers are over-valuing making the playoffs this year and are back to short sighted thinking.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 4 @ 4:04 PM ET
Making the playoffs in extremely valuable when a team is trying to build a winning culture and develop their younger players. I don't think Briere is over-valuing making the playoffs to a point that will stop him from making deals for the future of this team. If it did then I would say the Flyers are over-valuing making the playoffs this year and are back to short sighted thinking.
- jd250


You don't have enough younger players on the roster yet.

Like, guys drafted in 2017 aren't "Young" anymore. They're in their prime.
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