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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
Frost has a higher shooting percentage than the $49,600,000 man Owen Tippett over the last two seasons. And one of them is supposed to be a sniper.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ingPct&page=0&pageSize=50

- Feanor

Which mean’s absolutely nothing. 10 verse 11 percent and one guy takes a billion more shots.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Mar 5 @ 1:19 PM ET
If he's trying to win games , explain starting Cates, Sanheim and Poehling in OT.
- Briere

He values that type of player over skill.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
If he's trying to win games , explain starting Cates, Sanheim and Poehling in OT.
- Briere

This must be an MJL alt. But i agree. )
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
Say it with me: He is a playmaker, not a goal scorer. But had 19 goals last year, and could do about that periodically in future seasons. Worry more about chance creation than his own scoring chances.
- bmeltzer


He also had a nice SO goal last night. Shame OT failed for the third time in three attempts as a Flyer.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...tShots&page=0&pageSize=50
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
Just have Cutter Gauthier take his role as the only playmaking center on the roster aged under 25... ooh, whoops. They traded him for the new Ryan Ellis.
- Feanor

Cutter Gauthier is a playmaker? I mean he might be I guess.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
Wouldn't be great if Frost could actually finish off a scoring chance?
- jd250


Frost is the Flyers 2nd leading scorer over the last 30 games. Second only to Konecny.

Nice shootout goal last night to keep the Flyers in the game.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
He values that type of player over skill.
- furio16

But OT with all that open ice is a skill fest
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
It’s hilarious how Morgan Frost is so polarizing. He’s not taking a huge cap hit. Hes a middle 6C. Has semi-decent stats for a middle 6. Is 24 years old. Is not devoid of talent by any stretch of the imagination. Yet people lose their flipping minds arguing over his utility or lack thereof.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:22 PM ET
Which mean’s absolutely nothing. 10 verse 11 percent and one guy takes a billion more shots.
- ClaudeFather


It means that Frost finishes a higher percentage of his shots than Tippett does.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
Trade him for a guy like Pinto. Get a skilled young center for a skilled young center. A hockey trade involving two players that need a change of scenery pending how the rest of the season turns out. A 22 year old kid (Foerster) is the one that has stepped up the most in TK's absence.
- Phillywhiteout


Frost has been stepping up for considerable amount of time now. He is the Flyers 2nd leading scorer over the last 30 games. Second only to Konecny. What makes you think that Ottawa is trading Pinto? Or are we playing fantasy hockey?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:23 PM ET
It’s hilarious how Morgan Frost is so polarizing. He’s not taking a huge cap hit. Hes a middle 6C. Has semi-decent stats for a middle 6. Is 24 years old. Is not devoid of talent by any stretch of the imagination. Yet people lose their flipping minds arguing over his utility or lack thereof.
- mikeyo27


He has also scored at exactly the same rate as Farabee in the almost two full seasons since Torts became coach, but Farabee isn't very controversial at all. Very strange.

Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Mar 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
This must be an MJL alt. But i agree. )
- THE EVIL WITHIN
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Fireable offense (no pun intended) imo.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
Frost is the Flyers 2nd leading scorer over the last 30 games. Second only to Konecny.

Nice shootout goal last night to keep the Flyers in the game.

- MJL

I really wish Torts didn’t scratch Frost at all this season. I can’t go another year of this.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:26 PM ET
Cutter Gauthier is a playmaker? I mean he might be I guess.
- roenick97


He was being penciled in to take Frost's spot down the middle just a few months ago.

https://allphly.com/morga...erm-fit-questions-remain/

Without a further scoring leap, it probably won’t be enough to keep top prospect Cutter Gauthier from taking Frost’s spot down the middle once he signs his entry-level contract and turns pro — which could happen as soon as next spring.





psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Mar 5 @ 1:27 PM ET
It’s hilarious how Morgan Frost is so polarizing. He’s not taking a huge cap hit. Hes a middle 6C. Has semi-decent stats for a middle 6. Is 24 years old. Is not devoid of talent by any stretch of the imagination. Yet people lose their flipping minds arguing over his utility or lack thereof.
- mikeyo27

He was the Flyers top prospect for a while and as always the Flyers oversell their own talent. They are doing it again with Drysdale which the fan base will turn on probably next year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 1:28 PM ET
The only flaws that are outlined daily is your continued ignorance of NHL hockey. What do you think this is, a pee-wee game where everyone gets their minutes no matter what? Torts is trying to WIN GAMES, and thus he is going to play the players that have it going that night the most minutes. Cam is cooked, everyone knows it. He is at the stage of ND for me, cringe worthy every time he is on the ice. I liked Lkysell and Brink with Couts and I would like to see more of it, however Couts is one of the players that has slumped recently, and as you know I was pointing this out months ago. Whether you want to admit it or not, Frost and Farabee are not getting the job done, unless of course you count what they are doing for the opposing team. Laughton and Poehling have been the Flyers most consistent centers over the past few weeks and thus they are getting the bulk of the ice time. These are the FACTS, not opinions. You need to accept it and learn.
- jd250


Poehling and Cates don't have it going offensively. Here is what you don't understand. As an opposing coach, all I know is that all I have to do is start my top offensive player and neanderthal Tortorella will put his checkers and grinders out there. To gain an easy advantage. Tortorella favors grinder and checkers and overplays them to a ridiculous level. You have no clue.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:29 PM ET
I really wish Torts didn’t scratch Frost at all this season. I can’t go another year of this.
- roenick97


If you like bigger sample sizes and prefer totals to rates, here you go. Frost is 4th in scoring on the Flyers since Torts became coach.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ssists&page=0&pageSize=50
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 1:30 PM ET
Frost has a higher shooting percentage than the $49,600,000 man Owen Tippett over the last two seasons. And one of them is supposed to be a sniper.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ingPct&page=0&pageSize=50

- Feanor


I don't know if that is fair. Tippett is a high volume shooter. A player like that is typically not going to have a high shot percentage. I want Tippett shooting then puck whenever he can. Frost is a play maker and a selective shooter.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 5 @ 1:31 PM ET
He was being penciled in to take Frost's spot down the middle just a few months ago.

https://allphly.com/morga...erm-fit-questions-remain/

- Feanor


The one and only time I saw Cutter Gauthier play live, he was playing center and he shot literally everything. His playmaking in the world juniors this past winter was the only time I’ve heard of his playmaking but admittingly I didn’t watch any of the games. What was his shot count and shooting percentage for a guy who only came up with two goals? Not an argument, just curious.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:32 PM ET
I don't know if that is fair. Tippett is a high volume shooter. A player like that is typically not going to have a high shot percentage. I want Tippett shooting then puck whenever he can. Frost is a play maker and a selective shooter.
- MJL


Farabee's S% is basically the same at 11.3%, and he's not a volume shooter.

roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 5 @ 1:32 PM ET
If you like bigger sample sizes and prefer totals to rates, here you go. Frost is 4th in scoring on the Flyers since Torts became coach.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...ssists&page=0&pageSize=50

- Feanor

I just don’t want to hear “he was our leading scorer for the second half of the season” two year straight.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 1:33 PM ET
He has also scored at exactly the same rate as Farabee in the almost two full seasons since Torts became coach, but Farabee isn't very controversial at all. Very strange.
- Feanor


That depends. The biggest Frost detractor believes that Farabee is an ok player with ok skill despite being in the top 20 in overall scoring at this position in the NHL and ranked 11th at his position in EV scoring.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:35 PM ET
That depends. The biggest Frost detractor believes that Farabee is an ok player with ok skill despite being in the top 20 in overall scoring at this position in the NHL and ranked 11th at his position in EV scoring.
- MJL


The head injury victim you are talking about is literally the only person I have seen complaining about Farabee this season.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 5 @ 1:36 PM ET
It means that Frost finishes a higher percentage of his shots than Tippett does.
- Feanor

And one is a much more selective shooter but still finishes within a small range higher even though one’s volumes is significantly higher.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 1:37 PM ET
I just don’t want to hear “he was our leading scorer for the second half of the season” two year straight.
- roenick97


He was the team's leading ES scorer for the entire season last year as well as being 4th in total scoring for 22-23.
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