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mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Mar 5 @ 3:07 PM ET
Forward wise, Konecny, Farabee and Tippett are all first line level talents. Frost is 2nd line. That's about it right now.
- MJL


I think TK is a top liner right now. Farabee and Tippett have had good seasons. I just want to see another year of it.

I also think Foerster could be someday.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 5 @ 3:08 PM ET
Sanheim is a better skater than all three of them and has 29 ESP this season compared to only 15 for York and 18 for Walker.

He's also the only Flyers dman to score a point at 3on3 this season.

Sanheim - 1 assist in 23:24

All other Flyers dmen - 0 points in 26:32

- Feanor


I have to disagree that Sanheim is a better skater than Drysdale. Respectfully of course, but disagree nonetheless.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 5 @ 3:09 PM ET
Frost is lower end 2C, or upper 3C. Frost is not close to the top 2Cs in the game today.
- jd250

who would you rather have as your 2C Frost or Ross Colton?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 5 @ 3:09 PM ET
Frost is lower end 2C, or upper 3C. Frost is not close to the top 2Cs in the game today.
- jd250


Didn't say he was. Tippett is first line level but he's no where the top 1st line wingers in the game today.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 5 @ 3:10 PM ET
I think TK is a top liner right now. Farabee and Tippett have had good seasons. I just want to see another year of it.

I also think Foerster could be someday.

- mickel25

the way foerster is playing definitely projects him as a 1st liner
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 5 @ 3:10 PM ET
Please provide the evidence of that to support your opinion. Please provide any fact that you can support with any evidence whatsoever to support that.
- MJL

No, instead I will provide just one fact that will support the fact that I gave you facts which you will not consider because you are a non-factual person.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 3:16 PM ET
I have to disagree that Sanheim is a better skater than Drysdale. Respectfully of course, but disagree nonetheless.
- mikeyo27


Right now he definitely is.

When they're both fully healthy there's room for debate, but unlike ironman Sanheim, Drysdale appears to be made of paper.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 5 @ 3:17 PM ET
IMO Sanheim is not a better skater then the other defenseman I mentioned, and add up the number of OT scoring chances Sanheim has had compared to the others mentioned. And yet only 1 OT point.
- jd250


For the record, TK has only 1 OT point as well. Tippett has 3, Farabee has 1, Coots has 2.

So give it a rest...We only have 4 OT wins..so a max of 12 possible points. 2 goals were unassisted..so 8 possible points on OT goals.

Sanheim having 1 of those 8 points is a good for him, not a detriment.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 5 @ 3:18 PM ET
Right now he definitely is.

When they're both fully healthy there's room for debate, but unlike ironman Sanheim, Drysdale appears to be made of paper.

- Feanor


I can’t argue there in the injury front.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 5 @ 3:21 PM ET
whats the flyers record and winning % this year with Frost in the lineup vs without him in the lineup. Maybe that can shed some light instead of over the last 5 games blah blah blah
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 5 @ 3:22 PM ET
If Torts didn't yo yo frost in and out of the line up for half the season I think frost would have way more swagger and points right now.

I'm with 2real. Giving up on frost would be a big mistake.

If torts let's frost play for an entire season next year I think we'd all see a much better version of frost. The kid has all of the talent to succeed

- Bob Habib


Agree with ths 100%, esp. the bolded part.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 5 @ 3:23 PM ET
IMO Sanheim is not a better skater then the other defenseman I mentioned, and add up the number of OT scoring chances Sanheim has had compared to the others mentioned. And yet only 1 OT point.
- jd250


sandheim is a good skater, if he isnt as good as york, they are at least in the same ballpark. You are grasping at straws

TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 5 @ 3:26 PM ET
Bill, from my perspective Frost is a skilled NHL player that, though he is a pass first center, I believe is more than capable of finishing off plays when he is counted on to do so. He has missed his chances quite a bit lately and it has cost the team, especially with TK being out. He is not the only one for sure.
- jd250



Happens every year...last time he played 82 games in a season was 2018/19...the only time in his career he played a full 82 games.

That is concerning with the $70+ million dollar rumors out there. Esp. with the style of play he plays. I can see him being completly broken down by 33-34
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 3:26 PM ET
For the record, TK has only 1 OT point as well. Tippett has 3, Farabee has 1, Coots has 2.
- TheFreak


NST does sample sizes of a maximum of three years, so since the start of 21-22 Konecny only has two assists and no goals in OT.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

The only Flyers to score at a high rate in OT over that span have been Provorov, Tippett, Atkinson and Couturier. Of course, Couturier did not see the ice in OT last night.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 3:27 PM ET
sandheim is a good skater, if he isnt as good as york, they are at least in the same ballpark. You are grasping at straws
- bradster


He's also 6'4" while the other dmen are listed at 6 foot or under, so Sanheim covers more ice with each stride.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 5 @ 3:32 PM ET
NST does sample sizes of a maximum of three years, so since the start of 21-22 Konecny only has two assists and no goals in OT.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

The only Flyers to score at a high rate in OT over that span have been Provorov, Tippett, Atkinson and Couturier. of Course, Couturier did not see the ice in OT last night.

- Feanor



I wasn't knocking TK, more trying to say to JD that Sanheim having 1 of 8 possible OT points is a good thing..there isn't a lot of OT points to go around. Your facts back that up. Thank you.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 3:36 PM ET
I wasn't knocking TK, more trying to say to JD that Sanheim having 1 of 8 possible OT points is a good thing..there isn't a lot of OT points to go around. Your facts back that up. Thank you.
- TheFreak


Right. You'd have to be some kind of moron to blast Sanheim's point scoring record in OT on a mostly bad Flyers team when he's outscored the highly skilled Konecny since the league went back to 82 game seasons after Covid.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Mar 5 @ 3:36 PM ET
He's also 6'4" while the other dmen are listed at 6 foot or under, so Sanheim covers more ice with each stride.
- Feanor


So isn't that a positive to his skating? He is able to take larger strides?..it's like the big dman with the insane wingspan, takes up so much ice that he is hard to play against. Sanheim uses his height to his skating advantage.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Mar 5 @ 5:00 PM ET
I'm not sure how the Flyers brass can look at Tortorella alternating Laughton and Poehling as 1/2 and say to themselves "yeah, we are definitely contenders". They are about as vanilla as you can get, which is, in addition to a losing formula, not very entertaining.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Mar 5 @ 5:03 PM ET
I'm not sure how the Flyers brass can look at Tortorella alternating Laughton and Poehling as 1/2 and say to themselves "yeah, we are definitely contenders". They are about as vanilla as you can get, which is, in addition to a losing formula, not very entertaining.
- mr4tno


Let’s put it this way. Jonesy probably had to be admitted to the ER last night for having a boner lasting more than four hours.

They love grit, sandpaper, muck, and grind.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 5 @ 5:05 PM ET
Frost is the Flyers 2nd leading scorer over the last 30 games. Second only to Konecny.

Nice shootout goal last night to keep the Flyers in the game.

- MJL

Too soon to trademark the “Frost Shiver”?
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Mar 5 @ 5:05 PM ET
morgan frost is a great player we just need a complimentary player for his style
- 2Real

How about a complementary coach instead of the as currently employed
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Mar 5 @ 5:11 PM ET
He values that type of player over skill.
- furio16

And so do the Flyers, which is why neither of them have won anything in over 20 years
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 5:11 PM ET
So isn't that a positive to his skating?
- TheFreak


Yes
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Mar 5 @ 5:11 PM ET
Let’s put it this way. Jonesy probably had to be admitted to the ER last night for having a boner lasting more than four hours.

They love grit, sandpaper, muck, and grind.

- StepfordSam

I can't wait to see how Hunter McDonald will fit into this team.
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