great comeback win for the Isles
- THE BLACK HAND

Wow, they came back against a team on the second of back to backs with their backup goalie in net. Yeah, EPIC! Why don't you stick to watching basketball and soccer.

If that’s what they do. A year from now they will look back and realize it was another stupid decision in a long line of stupid decisions by those in charge. As a fan who pays attention, it will become apparent that Briere and Jones were not qualified to be in their roles.
What will this year be remembered for?

1) you lost a top prospect for for unexplained reasons when you couldnt afford to.

2) your star goalie and face of the franchise was charged with sexual assault and basically forced into early retirement.

3) you decided to run it back with close to 30 year old vets while now acknowledging your d in the AHL for whom were supposed to need some seasoning are not going to be very good. Yet your AHL coach will get another vote of confidence for another job well done.

But hey you might make the play offs and cap off a surprise season….people will pat Torts on the back for a job well done.

But reflecting back the Flyers are no closer to being a contender because of ineptness at the top.

I hope Briere proves me wrong in the next 48 hours, but I’m starting to get the sense it might just be the same old, same old.
- landros 2

There is certainly a lot of truth you lay out here. Torts has repeatedly said the team cannot fall in love with players, and that the players were notified they might be traded out of respect, as well as Danny saying just the other day everything is on the table.

"Matt, tell me you didn't sign, because I am still sort of moved by your 'my word is stronger than oak' thing!"

They have to know to trade Walker…right?
- Just5

You would think. Because you can't fall in love with players right?

The thing is, if Walker had term left like Laughton, you COULD hold out until the off-season or next years' deadline for a better deal if the offers are not to your liking. Him being on an expiring deal means he should be dealt. End of story.

If they decide to let him walk for nothing, I could live with that over signing him to some 4 year deal if those were the choices I was presented. What you don't do, is sign him.

While we still have 2 days....Everything I was worried about going into this season is coming true.

Would the front office have the stomach to do a true rebuild even if the fans were putting pressure?

Would they truly sell off at the deadline even if they had a chance to make the playoffs?

I think they believe their own hype when they see that they have the #1 rated prospect in hockey (deserved) and the #6 ranked prospect pool in the NHL (most decidedly NOT deserved).

They say they owe it to the players, those same players they say they cant fall in love with.

They have two days to show the fans they are in this for the long haul and not blow up the whole process for some 1 and done playoff run.

If they sign Seeler, I can almost live with that. If they sign Walker, we will know the whole rebuilding thing is BS. If they sign them both, the team is just giving the finger to the fan base and telling us to (frank) off.

We will revisit this Saturday morning when its all over I guess.
- MBFlyerfan

You watch this team play and you see a squad that did not nee to tear it down to the studs….but you see a team that lacks “high end” talent in comparison. I love the team…but realize it’s only capable of reaching the height it’s at now. I was told DB would make those “tough” decisions. Up till now that appears to be the BS that Jonesy referred to.
For christs sake is it too much to ask these guys to do their (frank)ing job?

You are right we’ll know shortly.

Wow, they came back against a team on the second of back to backs with their backup goalie in net. Yeah, EPIC! Why don't you stick to watching basketball and soccer.
- Phillywhiteout

cry more, female dog

cry more, female dog
- THE BLACK HAND

Observe more and type less you idiot!

Observe more and type less you idiot!
- Phillywhiteout

drink your metamucil and make sure you wear your depends

drink your metamucil and make sure you wear your depends
- THE BLACK HAND

Good one! Although it appears that you are trying too hard to be witty and it just doesn't work for you. I'd love to stay, but that would keep me from going. Buh bye! Oh, and have a wonderful day!

You would think. Because you can't fall in love with players right?

The thing is, if Walker had term left like Laughton, you COULD hold out until the off-season or next years' deadline for a better deal if the offers are not to your liking. Him being on an expiring deal means he should be dealt. End of story.

If they decide to let him walk for nothing, I could live with that over signing him to some 4 year deal if those were the choices I was presented. What you don't do, is sign him.
- MBFlyerfan

I completely understand the concept of Walker walking, LOL being better than re-signing him. However that would be pure incompetence. Losing a potential future asset for sake a playoff run that is highly unlikely to render any fruit. It points to a severe lack of judgement. That itself as an individual move may not be the end of the world but it would point to a continued flawed philosophy and way of thinking that the approach of the old guard is still in place even if the old guard themselves aren't.

Good one! Although it appears that you are trying too hard to be witty and it just doesn't work for you. I'd love to stay, but that would keep me from going. Buh bye! Oh, and have a wonderful day!
- Phillywhiteout

good, dont come back

To me this is the EXACT issue.
- landros 2

What bothers me is its been reported that the Flyers believe they have good players coming up in their system plus they have Michkov coming. That's years away if it ever happens at all. Not a plan I am comfortable with.

What bothers me is its been reported that the Flyers believe they have good players coming up in their system plus they have Michkov coming. That's years away if it ever happens at all. Not a plan I am comfortable with.
- jd250

If the Flyers would actually believe that the plan is years away from coming to fruition, that is something that everyone should be comfortable with. The talk of the Flyers escalating with trades and free agency should terrify every Flyers fan.

I completely understand the concept of Walker walking, LOL being better than re-signing him. However that would be pure incompetence. Losing a potential future asset for sake a playoff run that is highly unlikely to render any fruit. It points to a severe lack of judgement. That itself as an individual move may not be the end of the world but it would point to a continued flawed philosophy and way of thinking that the approach of the old guard is still in place even if the old guard themselves aren't.
- MJL

A potential playoffs run is more for playoff experience, not them winning the cup. Tyson, brink, York, Ersson.....playoff experience is hugely valueable. However i dont expect you to understand as there is not stats to support how valuable, but if youve played sports you know the difference. Especially hockey, playoffs are a whole other level.

Saying that i still want walker moved, and laughts. Seeler i can see him being a great example to the rest of the group of being a pro

What bothers me is its been reported that the Flyers believe they have good players coming up in their system plus they have Michkov coming. That's years away if it ever happens at all. Not a plan I am comfortable with.
- jd250

It’s the only way to build a Stanley Cup contender. No one is trading the elite players needed to win a cup at any regularity to even consider that as part of a plan. Even signing free agents is a toss up since Philly really can’t compete with other teams without overpaying, not that elite players hit free agency often.

Every Stanley Cup team has had at least 3 hall of fame or near hall of fame caliber players on their roster in their prime. The draft is still the most likely way to get those players.

I completely understand the concept of Walker walking, LOL being better than re-signing him. However that would be pure incompetence. Losing a potential future asset for sake a playoff run that is highly unlikely to render any fruit. It points to a severe lack of judgement. That itself as an individual move may not be the end of the world but it would point to a continued flawed philosophy and way of thinking that the approach of the old guard is still in place even if the old guard themselves aren't.
- MJL

Herein lies the problem. The flyers are unlikely to get a great return from Walket, Seeler, Laughton by themselves. A package deal may get a good return.
IMO the flyers need to trade all three and have the ability to take some salary from other teams for picks or prospects.
I would call the flyers prospects not in the NHL ok.
MM may be a franchise type of player. I’m hoping that Bonk bottoms out at a 4/5 dman with a ceiling of being a 2/3.
DB is an unknown. While he may have the intangibles he has to adapt to the NHL and how to play and be effective while being undersized.
Sammu T may become a decent player but he isn’t ready. Ollie isn’t going to get much of a chance here because of Torts despite the kid having skills.
So if Briere does stand pat they most likely will not be as successful next year. I just don’t see any immediate help coming up through the ranks anytime soon.
I’m not suggesting the sky is falling. I’m suggesting that Briere needs to be realistic and see what’s in front of him.
I doubt Laughton is traded unless the flyers can get a good 1st round pick. Since that’s unlikely he probably stays.
If Farabee, Coots, and Cam continue to struggle the flyers aren’t doing much even if the. Flyers do make the playoffs.

You would think. Because you can't fall in love with players right?

The thing is, if Walker had term left like Laughton, you COULD hold out until the off-season or next years' deadline for a better deal if the offers are not to your liking. Him being on an expiring deal means he should be dealt. End of story.

If they decide to let him walk for nothing, I could live with that over signing him to some 4 year deal if those were the choices I was presented. What you don't do, is sign him.
- MBFlyerfan

Jason Myrtetus said yesterday the Flyers were looking at 2 year extensions and not longer. If that is true, then both Seeler and Walker should be traded before the deadline. Letting them walk would be stupid for what will be a very short playoff run, and resigning them for longer than 2 years would make no sense either. My only hope is this is posturing by the Flyers to get the best return possible.

You know that the Guathier situation was not in their control do you?
- landros 2

The Gauthier situation wasn’t in their control. The Flyers wanted him to play here. Gauthier didn’t want to play here.

You would think. Because you can't fall in love with players right?

The thing is, if Walker had term left like Laughton, you COULD hold out until the off-season or next years' deadline for a better deal if the offers are not to your liking. Him being on an expiring deal means he should be dealt. End of story.

If they decide to let him walk for nothing, I could live with that over signing him to some 4 year deal if those were the choices I was presented. What you don't do, is sign him.
- MBFlyerfan

Flyers are focused on the playoffs. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. For those screaming to sell at the deadline, those same fans will complain in a year or two from now that we haven’t made the playoffs in “x” amount of years. Walker helps makes the playoffs for a depleted defense. Frankly I don’t believe we’re rebuilding off the back of a Sean Walker deal.

Teams don’t seem to be fretting about giving up late 1sts in this draft. Edmonton is closer to the top half. I think the Flyers focus will be on getting a backup for Ersson dealing Sandstrom in the process. They’re likely to keep Seeler or Walker and dealing the one that they like least in relation to term and salary and return. My feeling is that Torts is mesmerized by Seeler with the hits and shot blocks.
- Minnyhock

Edmonton is 9 points back from Vancouver with 4 games in hand. It is possible, though unlikely, that Edmonton can catch Vancouver for first in the Pacific. They might end up with a bottom 3-4 pick in the draft..ie 29-32 range.

Herein lies the problem. The flyers are unlikely to get a great return from Walket, Seeler, Laughton by themselves. A package deal may get a good return.
IMO the flyers need to trade all three and have the ability to take some salary from other teams for picks or prospects.
I would call the flyers prospects not in the NHL ok.
MM may be a franchise type of player. I’m hoping that Bonk bottoms out at a 4/5 dman with a ceiling of being a 2/3.
DB is an unknown. While he may have the intangibles he has to adapt to the NHL and how to play and be effective while being undersized.
Sammu T may become a decent player but he isn’t ready. Ollie isn’t going to get much of a chance here because of Torts despite the kid having skills.
So if Briere does stand pat they most likely will not be as successful next year. I just don’t see any immediate help coming up through the ranks anytime soon.
I’m not suggesting the sky is falling. I’m suggesting that Briere needs to be realistic and see what’s in front of him.
I doubt Laughton is traded unless the flyers can get a good 1st round pick. Since that’s unlikely he probably stays.
If Farabee, Coots, and Cam continue to struggle the flyers aren’t doing much even if the. Flyers do make the playoffs.
- bird_dog_pa

I don't think the Flyers need to get a great return. Just need to get fair value.

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If that’s what they do. A year from now they will look back and realize it was another stupid decision in a long line of stupid decisions by those in charge. As a fan who pays attention, it will become apparent that Briere and Jones were not qualified to be in their roles.
What will this year be remembered for?

1) you lost a top prospect for for unexplained reasons when you couldnt afford to.

2) your star goalie and face of the franchise was charged with sexual assault and basically forced into early retirement.

3) you decided to run it back with close to 30 year old vets while now acknowledging your d in the AHL for whom were supposed to need some seasoning are not going to be very good. Yet your AHL coach will get another vote of confidence for another job well done.

But hey you might make the play offs and cap off a surprise season….people will pat Torts on the back for a job well done.

But reflecting back the Flyers are no closer to being a contender because of ineptness at the top.

I hope Briere proves me wrong in the next 48 hours, but I’m starting to get the sense it might just be the same old, same old.
- landros 2

These are valid points and unfortunately the potential reality.

Dan Rosen was on the NHL station on SiriusXM this morning and basically said his belief is that the Flyers are not only going to not add, but that they are unlikely to trade Walker or Seeler because “they are a solid 2nd pairing, and are worth more than they would receive”. That approach just seems so short-sighted for the long term health of this organization.

These are valid points and unfortunately the potential reality.

Dan Rosen was on the NHL station on SiriusXM this morning and basically said his belief is that the Flyers are not only going to not add, but that they are unlikely to trade Walker or Seeler because “they are a solid 2nd pairing, and are worth more than they would receive”. That approach just seems so short-sighted for the long term health of this organization.
- mikeyo27

Flyers have to Flyer. Here is the reality. Their defacto first pairing of Sanheim/York on a true contending team is a 2nd pairing. Seeler is not a top 4 on a contending team in my opinion. He can be in that role if you have a really good legit top pairing and a strong 3, but on his own merit, he is not. Walker is a good player but he's not better than Sanheim and York is younger and developing. Maybe if they were going to trade Sanheim, then maybe Walker would make sense. Then there is also the issue of having a mediocre Ristolainen on the 3rd pairing at 5.1M cap hit.

Flyers are focused on the playoffs. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. For those screaming to sell at the deadline, those same fans will complain in a year or two from now that we haven’t made the playoffs in “x” amount of years. Walker helps makes the playoffs for a depleted defense. Frankly I don’t believe we’re rebuilding off the back of a Sean Walker deal.
- roenick97

This team is devoid of high end skill players. How does the team acquire high end skilled players? There are three ways - trades (but you have to give to get), Free Agency (hard to build a complete team after overspending) or the draft.

What do you think the Flyers should do?

This team is devoid of high end skill players. How does the team acquire high end skilled players? There are three ways - trades (but you have to give to get), Free Agency (hard to build a complete team after overspending) or the draft.

What do you think the Flyers should do?
- corduroy

Be Chicago