I mentioned yesterday before the signing that I would not go beyond two years for Seeler, that doing so did not make sense to me. Well, apparently it did not make sense to the Flyers either, since Seeler's NMC is only for the first two years. After that, at $2.7M, Seeler will be easy to move or bury if need be.
- jd250

like RR

well he has until tuesday to clear waivers so who knows what the plan for him is
- 2Real

Is that correct? I was thinking that it was a mistake. Thursday at 2pm. Isn't usually a 24 hour process?

Why is Johansen being buried in the minors? Is he not a better option than some players who are playing?
- PLindbergh31

I wonder about this myself. They must really feel like he would be a Kevin Hayes like "distraction" in the locker room. Though I guess not so much a distraction in Lehigh...

Agreed. But wouldn't a strong locker room culture force that player into being a good teammate? It's known that MacKinnon and Landeskog are pretty serious dudes. I'm sure that locker room is slightly different. Higher expectations from within?

I just think we should give him a chance. If he doesn't fit, send him down. He's an NHL center. 3rd line. Move Laughton to wing if he's not moved.

What if he realizes that this might be his last chance to stay in the league? Even if he has to be reunited with Torts.
- cdearth23

It wouldn't shock me if he's called up after the trade deadline. That said, I'm sure they are using this as a wake up call and will have no problem sending him back down if he is a locker room disruption (more talented than others or not). At a certain point you have to figure out if you are willing to put in the effort to stay in the league.

I do see a trend, but Drysdale is still very young. I have seen many players his age get injured earlier in their careers, but as they got bigger, stronger, and developed better nutritional and work-out habits, go on to have long and healthy careers. It's just too early to label Drysdale as injury prone.
- jd250

Why couldn't JOB do all the things that you listed here? If he had "the goods" as you said you would think he could overcome the injuries that you say has ruined his career

Do Tarasenko start?
- THE EVIL WITHIN

No, but Terrance Lancco will

I mentioned yesterday before the signing that I would not go beyond two years for Seeler, that doing so did not make sense to me. Well, apparently it did not make sense to the Flyers either, since Seeler's NMC is only for the first two years. After that, at $2.7M, Seeler will be easy to move or bury if need be.
- jd250

Seeler's contract is for 4 years. Having a NTC for the first two years doesn't make the other two years disappear. Seeler does not have a NMC. He has a NTC. A player with a NTC can demoted at any time.

Is that correct? I was thinking that it was a mistake. Thursday at 2pm. Isn't usually a 24 hour process?
- cdearth23

Per the interwebs https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-waiver-rules/:
"Once a player is placed on waivers, other teams have 24 hours to place a claim. If no team places a claim on the player, he can be officially assigned to the team’s minor league affiliate in the AHL.

That said, a team doesn’t have to place a player in the minors. In 2011, the Philadelphia Flyers placed Nikolay Zherdev on waivers and no team made a claim. The Flyers then had 30 days to assign Zherdev to the Adirondack Phantoms. The Flyers chose not to do this, and after the 30 days expired Zherdev had to stay on the team."

I mentioned yesterday before the signing that I would not go beyond two years for Seeler, that doing so did not make sense to me. Well, apparently it did not make sense to the Flyers either, since Seeler's NMC is only for the first two years. After that, at $2.7M, Seeler will be easy to move or bury if need be.
- jd250

Hypocrisy never ends with you -- your only skill in life is moving the goalpost you set

I will leave this right here:

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...186863&page=last#23285482

Have to agree but it’s only been a “strong room” for this season, so they may not want to mess with it. Just curious with these situations, like Kuznetsov in Hershey, if these guys are so bad why put them around your younger players in the AHL?
- Schmojo

A strong locker room is created by being a competitive team. By winning. When a team struggles, frustration seeps in and causes issues. It's human nature. Just build a team with talent and skill with quality people and the room takes care of itself. At least for a period of time. It ebbs and flows with the team.

I wonder about this myself. They must really feel like he would be a Kevin Hayes like "distraction" in the locker room. Though I guess not so much a distraction in Lehigh...
- MBFlyerfan

So in order to get a first round pick that will be in the range of 26-30, they hold their nose and take on a player they have no interest in playing? More dead money.

So in order to get a first round pick that will be in the range of 26-30, they hold their nose and take on a player they have no interest in playing? More dead money.
- PLindbergh31

If dead money leads to a 1ST round pick I am good with it.

So in order to get a first round pick that will be in the range of 26-30, they hold their nose and take on a player they have no interest in playing? More dead money.
- PLindbergh31

I'm trying to decide if you think the player is worth the 1st alone or if you really hate the idea of the dead money (which is only for this year and next - both of which will be rebuild years).

Is that correct? I was thinking that it was a mistake. Thursday at 2pm. Isn't usually a 24 hour process?
- cdearth23

i thought i read they have until tuesday but i'm not an expert

A strong locker room is created by being a competitive team. By winning. When a team struggles, frustration seeps in and causes issues. It's human nature. Just build a team with talent and skill with quality people and the room takes care of itself. At least for a period of time. It ebbs and flows with the team.
- MJL

Contradicting Cliff , so it’s not just about talent and skill

If dead money leads to a 1ST round pick I am good with it.
- mickel25

we got like what 4 1st round picks in the next 2 years? and next year is supposed to be a much better draft

yea i can live with it

The Flyers are hoping Johansen clears waivers. His slow motion shootout success will be valuable in getting them to the playoffs.
- Minnyhock

The Johansen waive is weird. His offensive numbers are disappointing but they’re not so bad that he can’t play on the Flyers, especially on how thin the Flyers are at center and it seems as though he’s above 50% at the dot. A veteran player with another year should at least talked to. There is also a question of who do you want to get rid of more, Ryan Johansen or can Atkinson? At some point, Briere has to sit Torts down and say “make it work”.

They traded for an injury prone player and he’s injured already right? Do you not see a trend here?
- PLindbergh31

Sean Walker has sat most of a season and made a full return. Morgan Frost. Cam Atkinson. Sean Couturier. Jamie Drysdale is 21 and still very much at the very beginning of his career.

we got like what 4 1st round picks in the next 2 years? and next year is supposed to be a much better draft

yea i can live with it
- 2Real

So Flyers make playoffs this year and next year hit a wall to pick #1 to select Misa?

we got like what 4 1st round picks in the next 2 years? and next year is supposed to be a much better draft

yea i can live with it
- 2Real

Saw a few folks point out that it was a good move by Danny to get it in 2025 than 2024. All a crapshoot but supposed to be better draft

How much is Seeler's play going to fall off now that he won't be partnered with Walker.
- TheFreak

And not playing for a contract?

Contradicting Cliff , so it’s not just about talent and skill
- ClaudeFather

Not contradicting at all. The point that you failed to grasp is that talent and skill is the most important factor. Which is why it was posted before the quality people part. Of course in hockey you need players who will play hard and with intensity. There have been plenty of very talented players who were just pieces of crap such as Zherdev. The issue with the Flyers, and especially Tortorella is that they put culture and standard before skill and talent. Part of why he loves his grinders and they're not even willing apparently to give Johansen a chance. I'm glad I could explain this simple concept to you. Which is what you have to do when someone of your intelligence can't even come up with your own material in regards to your juvenile name calling.

Doesn’t the pick move back to 2026 if the Aves dont finish within the bottom 10 next season? It’s suppose be top 10 protected if the Aves are bad next season. What are the conditions?

Not contradicting at all. The point that you failed to grasp is that talent and skill is the most important factor. Which is why it was posted before the quality people part. Of course in hockey you need players who will play hard and with intensity. There have been plenty of very talented players who were just pieces of crap such as Zherdev. The issue with the Flyers, and especially Tortorella is that they put culture and standard before skill and talent. Part of why he loves his grinders and they're not even willing apparently to give Johansen a chance. I'm glad I could explain this simple concept to you. Which is what you have to do when someone of your intelligence can't even come up with your own material in regards to your juvenile name calling.
- MJL

any facts to back this up?

Not contradicting at all. The point that you failed to grasp is that talent and skill is the most important factor. Which is why it was posted before the quality people part. Of course in hockey you need players who will play hard and with intensity. There have been plenty of very talented players who were just pieces of crap such as Zherdev. The issue with the Flyers, and especially Tortorella is that they put culture and standard before skill and talent. Part of why he loves his grinders and they're not even willing apparently to give Johansen a chance. I'm glad I could explain this simple concept to you. Which is what you have to do when someone of your intelligence can't even come up with your own material in regards to your juvenile name calling.
- MJL

A great team in Colorado saw no use for the guy, are his talent and skill good enough to go along with his perceived poor quality of person? What’s the talent/skill required to overcome a crappy person ?