Gurianov's not really a guy who's gonna play a bottom-six role and sell out to block shots and such tho, like Sedlak did. And it's a bit late in the season for him to really work his way into Torts' good graces.

I imagine the trade was just two teams giving two guys a change of scenery.
- Tomahawk

Him and Johansen in Lehigh…they might be better.

He also had a decent playoff run in 19-20 Dallas. 27 games 9 goals 8 assists 17 points.
- MBFlyerfan

I actually like the trade. Perhaps each player just needs some different voices.

I get your gripes with Torts. And I think they are valid.

But how can what he’s done with a team widely expected to finish as one of the three worst in the league be ignored.

We’ve gone through so many coaches who had way more talent that came up small. Teams that didn’t play with effort and a locker room oozing with entitlement.

I don’t love benching kids in a rebuilding year and his shelf life doesn’t last long, but let’s face it…. he wins. Pretty much everywhere but Vancouver. And he has a Cup. He might be the best coach they’ve had since Lavy.
- Flyers1218

It shouldn't be ignored. My most frequent statement regarding Tortorella is that he has only taken one team past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 16 seasons since he won the Cup in TB. He is doing here what he always does. Coaches and teaches a team how to defend and check. A team can only go so far with his style of play and it eventually wears thin. Just like it does for all coaches but you want some kind of payoff before it happens.
People who don't know any better think it about culture and a standard and playing hard. The Flyers never had a work ethic issue. You can play as hard as you want but when there is no cohesion or team work, you're skating up hill.
The Flyers aren't competing due to a better culture and a standard. They're competing because of their defense and checking structure. Tight gaps and puck support. Taking away time and space from other teams. It's a way to improve a team but not a style of play that is going to turn a team into a contender. It's a style that makes a player like Nick Seeler seem a lot better than he actually is. Tortorella deserves credit for that as previously this team under Yeo and Vigneault has been poorly coach and a disaster away from the puck.
It's the limitations of his style and he's absolutely the wrong coach for developing young talented and skilled players in my opinion. I give him credit for what he has done here but I understand the limits of it.

Meh - A 4th in a weaker draft for some insurance on the blueline in case we need to replace the RH we just lost with Walker... Doesn't floor me but I'm not upset.
- FlyersGrace

agree

buff didn;t move him unless he was ok with it. you think he will be ok with it not playing?

some peeps need to give their fn head a shake
- hello it's me 2050

Buffalo didn’t move him unless he was ok with it? I’m pretty sure Buffalo couldn’t wait to be rid of him.

Sounds like it. Doesn’t make much sense for them to get him now, with 19 games left, and then have to buy him out. Why trade what they did for 19 games?
- Flyers1218

They think with improved goaltending, they could make a run to get back into the playoff picture. A buyout would not be the only option to move him in the off season.

He's probably a Phantom. Not a Torts type of player.

Meawhile EJ is exactly the type of guy Torts loves.
- Tomahawk

Was just reading that Erik Johnson was getting minimal time in Buffalo, like 15 minutes a game. So maybe he really is just depth for the moment.

It shouldn't be ignored. My most frequent statement regarding Tortorella is that he has only taken one team past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 16 seasons since he won the Cup in TB. He is doing here what he always does. Coaches and teaches a team how to defend and check. A team can only go so far with his style of play and it eventually wears thin. Just like it does for all coaches but you want some kind of payoff before it happens.
People who don't know any better think it about culture and a standard and playing hard. The Flyers never had a work ethic issue. You can play as hard as you want but when there is no cohesion or team work, you're skating up hill.
The Flyers aren't competing due to a better culture and a standard. They're competing because of their defense and checking structure. Tight gaps and puck support. Taking away time and space from other teams. It's a way to improve a team but not a style of play that is going to turn a team into a contender. It's a style that makes a player like Nick Seeler seem a lot better than he actually is. Tortorella deserves credit for that as previously this team under Yeo and Vigneault has been poorly coach and a disaster away from the puck.
It's the limitations of his style and he's absolutely the wrong coach for developing young talented and skilled players in my opinion. I give him credit for what he has done here but I understand the limits of it.
- MJL

I agree with you.

Perhaps the only point we differ on is there being work ethic questions in the past. Before Torts the team constantly had to answer questions about why they never played a full 60 minutes. Maybe not necessarily lazy players, but certainly a team that thought they were good enough to just show and get 2 points.

Gurianov's not really a guy who's gonna play a bottom-six role and sell out to block shots and such tho, like Sedlak did. And it's a bit late in the season for him to really work his way into Torts' good graces.

I imagine the trade was just two teams giving two guys a change of scenery.
- Tomahawk

Probably. But he could play a heavy game in a bottom six if he bought in. He’s got to realize that he’s almost out of chances.

I get your gripes with Torts. And I think they are valid.

But how can what he’s done with a team widely expected to finish as one of the three worst in the league be ignored.

We’ve gone through so many coaches who had way more talent that came up small. Teams that didn’t play with effort and a locker room oozing with entitlement.

I don’t love benching kids in a rebuilding year and his shelf life doesn’t last long, but let’s face it…. he wins. Pretty much everywhere but Vancouver. And he has a Cup. He might be the best coach they’ve had since Lavy.
- Flyers1218

hmmmm, who were the leaders of those teams

It shouldn't be ignored. My most frequent statement regarding Tortorella is that he has only taken one team past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 16 seasons since he won the Cup in TB. He is doing here what he always does. Coaches and teaches a team how to defend and check. A team can only go so far with his style of play and it eventually wears thin. Just like it does for all coaches but you want some kind of payoff before it happens.
People who don't know any better think it about culture and a standard and playing hard. The Flyers never had a work ethic issue. You can play as hard as you want but when there is no cohesion or team work, you're skating up hill.
The Flyers aren't competing due to a better culture and a standard. They're competing because of their defense and checking structure. Tight gaps and puck support. Taking away time and space from other teams. It's a way to improve a team but not a style of play that is going to turn a team into a contender. It's a style that makes a player like Nick Seeler seem a lot better than he actually is. Tortorella deserves credit for that as previously this team under Yeo and Vigneault has been poorly coach and a disaster away from the puck.
It's the limitations of his style and he's absolutely the wrong coach for developing young talented and skilled players in my opinion. I give him credit for what he has done here but I understand the limits of it.
- MJL

that is 100% false

DB to speak in Tampa at 315, assume TDL is over for Philly

Buffalo didn’t move him unless he was ok with it? I’m pretty sure Buffalo couldn’t wait to be rid of him.
- Flyers1218

yes, what part didn't you understand?

Does Erik Johnson have years left on his deal? Not sure I get this one but maybe some other vet is headed out.
- hereticpride

Just this year...Briere is in for the playoffs, and he wanted to pick up a dman and forward on the cheap. he did that.

From todays inquirer:

As a matter of fact, the rebuild isn’t the focus anymore. The “New Era of Orange,” as they branded themselves, has become an old-school playoff push.
“We’re inside the playoff bubble,” Brière said last Friday, grinning, and perhaps a little incredulous. “Like all of our fans, we’re really excited about that. Hopefully, we can keep it rolling. Getting to the playoffs — that’s the goal from now on.”
Just like old times.

https://www.inquirer.com/...sean-walker-20240308.html

Remember this and see you in 9 games. Tampa made moves, Isles seems poised to take 3rd in the Met. Detroit? Not sure, here we go.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...dings/2024-03-08/wildcard

I agree with you.

Perhaps the only point we differ on is there being work ethic questions in the past. Before Torts the team constantly had to answer questions about why they never played a full 60 minutes. Maybe not necessarily lazy players, but certainly a team that thought they were good enough to just show and get 2 points.
- Flyers1218

I never saw that. I saw a team that was a circus away from the puck and played individually too much. Now they're in sync as a team in structure which makes them play faster and tighter. They weren't lacking in effort. They were lacking direction. It was blamed on effort.

Buffalo didn’t move him unless he was ok with it? I’m pretty sure Buffalo couldn’t wait to be rid of him.
- Flyers1218

Why Biere didnt require them to retain is puzzling

that is 100% false
- hello it's me 2050

Agreed, its plain to see if you aren't biased. Youd have to be a dummy to not see it. Too bad all that talent wasted. Great talent though.

Hertyl to Vegas, cap gymnastics.

Just this year...Briere is in for the playoffs, and he wanted to pick up a dman and forward on the cheap. he did that.

From todays inquirer:



https://www.inquirer.com/...sean-walker-20240308.html
- TheFreak

playoffs is the goal for now on.....pure entertainment. the alleged rebuild was what? a phony 8 months?

yes, what part didn't you understand?
- hello it's me 2050

The part that just assumes the Buffalo Sabres would give two flying f’s if he’s happy or not going to Philly. They just got a 4th round pick for a player they couldn’t wait to be rid of.

Why Biere didnt require them to retain is puzzling
- Bayareaflyer

at this point does it matter at the end of the day? clearly it wasn't needed is my guess.

Just this year...Briere is in for the playoffs, and he wanted to pick up a dman and forward on the cheap. he did that.

From todays inquirer:



https://www.inquirer.com/...sean-walker-20240308.html
- TheFreak

Was there ever a doubt? They wanted to re-sign Walker also. To their credit they set a limit to what they were willing to pay but they wanted to keep him. He was traded not due to a rebuild but due to not being able to reach agreement.

The part that just assumes the Buffalo Sabres would give two flying f’s if he’s happy or not going to Philly. They just got a 4th round pick for a player they couldn’t wait to be rid of.
- Flyers1218

yes they would as they said as much. anything else?

Vegas gets Hertl