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stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Mar 8 @ 6:39 PM ET
Hi in quantity, low in quality. A very underwhelming return for a one of the best wingers in the NHL.
- MJL

It was not a good return at all. Joke.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 8 @ 6:51 PM ET
I just read that Adam Ginning was sent back to LHV.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 8 @ 6:52 PM ET
We don’t yet know who sits for Gurianov. And with Johnson, as of today a player that likely won’t be here next year anyway will have to sit. At worst, two players have to sit. Maybe it ends up being one, or none, if Johnson doesn’t play well or brought in for insurance.

I don’t think it’s fair to say they aren’t committed to a rebuild based on the moves they made. Their rebuild strategy goes beyond this season and you don’t have to play all youth for it to qualify.

Nic D over anyone? Horrible decision and makes me shake my head.

Erik Johnson over Attard or Ginning when you already have Zamula and York in, is more about not starting to lose game and be less competitive all because of injuries. They’ve played hard to get where they are and I think Briere is trying to keep them afloat to get into the playoffs since they earned it. He’s not reversing course to win it all this year.

And again, I understand anyone disagreeing with those decisions, but I don’t think that translates into not being committed to a rebuild. We aren’t dealing in absolutes.

I do wish, however, regardless of the moves they made that Nic D would take a seat. Staal can be their 7th as well for now to let Attard or Ginning to stay in the lineup. Once Seeler is healthy, see who is playing well and make your choice from there.

- funmaster18


Why does Johnson have to sit as of today? Briere is not trying to keep them afloat. He is doing what he can without giving up a significant asset to compete for the playoffs. Not because they earned it. Because this organization prioritizes winning now over rebuilding. If they make the playoffs this season, does anyone really think that they won't escalate? That they will purposely take steps back to move forward in the future? Not for a second. Deslauriers should not see one second of playoff time if they make it. He can't play in the regular season. He sure as hell can't in the playoffs.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Mar 8 @ 6:55 PM ET
Explain the seeler and poehling extensions
- corduroy


It’s contained in the post you’re responding to. I’m not sure what else you want me to say. Again, do extensions to reasonable terms that don’t hamper the cap, make them coach’s pets? I think some here are reading way too much into some of these signings.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 8 @ 6:56 PM ET
One thing I will say, I truly believe the playoffs were not the goal this year (realistically) until they started and kept playing well and found themselves where they are the week of the trade deadline.
- funmaster18


I would change that to the playoffs were not the expectation this year. Once they started playing well and showed that they were competitive. The playoffs were absolutely their goal.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 8 @ 7:02 PM ET
Danny Briere on Scott Laughton:

"I did listen. We had a lot of teams interested in him. Not good enough for us to let a player like that go that's critical to the development of the locker room."

Locker room? Huh. Someone show him stats that show games are won on the ice, not the locker room. Just ask G and Jake

- bradster

It did seem like a buyers market. Prices weren’t high around the league
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 8 @ 7:06 PM ET
It did seem like a buyers market. Prices weren’t high around the league
- ClaudeFather


Not at all, im glad we got what we did for walker. Mightve got less if db waited until today. Actually shocked how low some guys went for.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 8 @ 7:08 PM ET
It did seem like a buyers market. Prices weren’t high around the league
- ClaudeFather

matt dumba and a 7th for a 5th is kind of ??
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 8 @ 7:09 PM ET
It did seem like a buyers market. Prices weren’t high around the league
- ClaudeFather


Never expected Laughton to be traded at the deadline. Were any significant players with term traded besides Hertl? Laughton is not a player that should be traded for the best offer received at the deadline. He is a player at this point where you should set a price and stick to it. If you want to move him, it can be revisited in the Summer.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 8 @ 7:20 PM ET
Never expected Laughton to be traded at the deadline. Were any significant players with term traded besides Hertl? Laughton is not a player that should be traded for the best offer received at the deadline. He is a player at this point where you should set a price and stick to it. If you want to move him, it can be revisited in the Summer.
- MJL

Kusnetsov lol. The GM listened, the market spoke, he waited. It was the right move.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 8 @ 7:21 PM ET
matt dumba and a 7th for a 5th is kind of ??
- 2Real

Remember everyone on here asked why we didn’t sign him for this exact reason, to trade him. Peanuts. Blown away by the prices out there.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Mar 8 @ 7:26 PM ET
What grade do the Flyers get for their deadline?
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Mar 8 @ 7:26 PM ET
What grade do the Flyers get for their deadline?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 8 @ 7:35 PM ET
What grade do the Flyers get for their deadline?
- furio16


B
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Mar 8 @ 7:51 PM ET
What grade do the Flyers get for their deadline?
- furio16


C

Didn’t like the Johnson pick up.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 8 @ 7:53 PM ET
C

Didn’t like the Johnson pick up.

- bird_dog_pa


I agree. Add on taking on Johansen and apparently not even being willing to give him a chance. C at best.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Mar 8 @ 8:01 PM ET
C

Didn’t like the Johnson pick up.

- bird_dog_pa



C is better than our last couple GMs score lol

Johnson doesnt bug me at all, won a cup, has playoff experience, i get it.
Johansen couldnt care less, we got a 1st out of it, i dont care if we play him or not. But im not a constant whiner so maybe a little more forgiving, After seeing what dumba got, i think we did awesome on our walker deal
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 8:15 PM ET
They got Johnson probably to replace Seeler while he recovers from what I think is a broken foot. A 4th rounder...big whoop! Perhaps the guy they traded Allison for can help? They really didn't get any help, but they didn't really give anything up either and that was my point. I would have liked to see them go out and get a backup goalie cause after Ersson they are pretty much $hit out of luck most likely.

No one in their right mind is gonna pick them to beat Carolina (especially with their additions), but we've been saying that this team can't do things this entire season and they keep proving us wrong. There was no way that I saw them winning that game last night, but...

- Phillywhiteout


I agree with you on the cost of the acquisitions but then I come back to the point of why bother? Like that 4th could be better served keeping it and hopefully finding a diamond in the rough rather than someone who has zero future here.

I guess the main point I'm trying to make is if you can't find someone to make you better, don't bother. Stop with the hole plugs. Especially just to get to the playoffs.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 8:24 PM ET
You’re off base here
- Just5


He's really not. We as fans were hoodwinked. At least for this season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 8 @ 8:28 PM ET
I agree with you on the cost of the acquisitions but then I come back to the point of why bother? Like that 4th could be better served keeping it and hopefully finding a diamond in the rough rather than someone who has zero future here.

I guess the main point I'm trying to make is if you can't find someone to make you better, don't bother. Stop with the hole plugs. Especially just to get to the playoffs.

- Pelle31Forever



Getting the young players playoff experience is so important. It's a stepping stone. Lets trade a 4th round pick to bring in a vet plug to give the coach another option to play in place of a younger player.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 8 @ 8:34 PM ET
I agree. Add on taking on Johansen and apparently not even being willing to give him a chance. C at best.
- MJL

Johansen not getting a look is so weird. Even if Johansen is slow and completely useless at even strength, he’s a playmaker and a pretty good faceoff guy. He might actually help the power play. Outside of Frost, we don’t have very many crafty passers.

Eric Johnson’s offensive stats are weird. Last season he could get a goal to save his life. This season he can’t get an assist to save his life?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 8 @ 8:38 PM ET
Getting the young players playoff experience is so important. It's a stepping stone. Lets trade a 4th round pick to bring in a vet plug to give the coach another option to play in place of a younger player.
- MJL
You really are missing the point here. They currently have Sanheim, York, Staal, Zamula, Attard, Ginning as healthy defenseman. There is no indication that Risto, Drysdale and Seeler are going to be back anytime soon. Again, he was brought in for a 4th round pick as insurance. Not sure why this is so hard to figure out for some folks and why a 4th round pick is such a big deal. I've seen some on here complaining about the fact that he makes 3.2 mil. Who cares? He's off the books after this season. Really?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 8 @ 8:39 PM ET
Johansen not getting a look is so weird. Even if Johansen is slow and completely useless at even strength, he’s a playmaker and a pretty good faceoff guy. He might actually help the power play. Outside of Frost, we don’t have very many crafty passers.
- roenick97

It’s weird but it’s pretty clear the Flyers only got the 1st because they agreed to take him. If he’s not in their plans he’s not in their plans.

My thoughts on Erik Johnson are it’s really just another body to block shots. I’m not crazy about burning a 4th but I’d rather see him taking shots off the knee than one of the kids.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 8 @ 8:44 PM ET
Getting the young players playoff experience is so important. It's a stepping stone. Lets trade a 4th round pick to bring in a vet plug to give the coach another option to play in place of a younger player.
- MJL


Now this is a strange argument from the guy who lead the uproar of when Morgan Frost was scratched like 6 games in a row in October. You can’t sit Frost as a young developing player in October but somehow not playing the young players at all when they’ve earned it doesn’t matter. To me, bailing on the playoffs is like scratching every young player we have in a meaningful game. Playoff games are the most meaningful games and the team worked hard at it all year. Don’t act like the sudden call up of Attard matters because if this roster’s defense was healthy. Attard and Ginning aren’t getting looks at all.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Mar 8 @ 8:46 PM ET
It’s weird but it’s pretty clear the Flyers only got the 1st because they agreed to take him. If he’s not in their plans he’s not in their plans.

My thoughts on Erik Johnson are it’s really just another body to block shots. I’m not crazy about burning a 4th but I’d rather see him taking shots off the knee than one of the kids.

- hereticpride

Ryan Johansen shouldn’t be in anyone’s plans but he’s here and he’ll produce better than anything we have in the minors. The time for favors and looks are over. Put the best team possible on the ice and make the playoffs.
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