exactly, a franking joke
- NSco1996

Bettman has made this once proud sport into a sideshow......

wow so Vegas can now go about $17M over the cap when playoffs start, back to back Mickey Mouse cups possibly, this loophole is a joke and makes the league look bad. given it could be both cups and not just 1, this would more bs than Tampas repeat if it happens
- NSco1996

Atrocious is the word Id use..... between Tampa and Vegas this league looks like a clown show..... used to be the stanley cup was considered the toughest trophy in sports to win.... apparently it's all about circumventing the cap and the league looking the other way....shameful

That is the best deal SJ could manage lol
embarrassing. I don’t understand retaining salary and giving (2) 3rds back.

Golden Showers really taking a page out of that Tampon Bay cheatbook...the gary buttman special. Mickey mouse cups not real cup wins - at least it 'grows the sport south of the border' right?


- Komisaurus Rex

Briseboise was the father of the ponzi LTIR scheme.

Hertl at $6.75M until age 37 is an ugly contract. Vegas will regret this deal.

Hertl at $6.75M until age 37 is an ugly contract. Vegas will regret this deal.
- HockeyBuzzed

They'll keep him for 3 years then flip him off somewhere else when they find a new shinier toy that they like more

Lol lots of jealous fans. Bet you wouldn't be complaining if your team was using loopholes to put your team in a better position to succeed.

Everyone is whining about Vegas cheating or breaking the rules, no they're not cheating or breaking the rules, they're smart enough to find the loopholes. If the NHL is too stupid to make rules that can be manipulated, it's on them. Maybe some of your teams should do the same thing and win a cup. Especially the Leafs, they need everything they can do to win. 57 yrs is a long time.

And Vegas won the cup last year, they didn't use LTIR last year.

Atrocious is the word Id use..... between Tampa and Vegas this league looks like a clown show..... used to be the stanley cup was considered the toughest trophy in sports to win.... apparently it's all about circumventing the cap and the league looking the other way....shameful
- angryagain

Didnt Chicago pioneer this back in 2015?

Lol lots of jealous fans. Bet you wouldn't be complaining if your team was using loopholes to put your team in a better position to succeed.
- lemieux_66

Exactly, Their GMs aren't smart enough to pull it off.

Whine away boys

Hertl at $6.75M until age 37 is an ugly contract. Vegas will regret this deal.
- HockeyBuzzed

No chance he stays in Vegas until it’s up. He’ll be dealt in a couple years at best.

Everyone is whining about Vegas cheating or breaking the rules, no they're not cheating or breaking the rules, they're smart enough to find the loopholes. If the NHL is too stupid to make rules that can be manipulated, it's on them. Maybe some of your teams should do the same thing and win a cup. Especially the Leafs, they need everything they can do to win. 57 yrs is a long time.

And Vegas won the cup last year, they didn't use LTIR last year.
- sliprock65

actually they were $8M-$9M over the cap last year, Mark Stone now back to back years, i don’t know where you’re getting your info on them not being last year but clearly you don’t follow close enough, they Acquired Barbashev, Quick, and Blueger with Stone’s cap last year bozo

Martinez and Stone LTIR. They just flaunt the rules and send anyone they want into LTIR to make cap hit. But they are going to have a reckoning in the future with massive contract issues and no futures, but Vegas is enjoying the present.
- jfkst1

Yeah I get it. Hope they lose for 5 decades after this run

Atrocious is the word Id use..... between Tampa and Vegas this league looks like a clown show..... used to be the stanley cup was considered the toughest trophy in sports to win.... apparently it's all about circumventing the cap and the league looking the other way....shameful
- angryagain

100%

Also the tax implications. If Canadian teams were having the tax advantages, they would change the rules in the heartbeat!

LOL and people give the Dubois contract poop.

Enjoy VGK

Everyone is whining about Vegas cheating or breaking the rules, no they're not cheating or breaking the rules, they're smart enough to find the loopholes. If the NHL is too stupid to make rules that can be manipulated, it's on them. Maybe some of your teams should do the same thing and win a cup. Especially the Leafs, they need everything they can do to win. 57 yrs is a long time.

And Vegas won the cup last year, they didn't use LTIR last year.
- sliprock65

Circumvention is cheating. Yes that’s what they are doing ESPECIALLY IF STONE RETURNS FIRST GAME or even 1st round.

Circumvention is cheating. Yes that’s what they are doing ESPECIALLY IF STONE RETURNS FIRST GAME or even 1st round.
- KINGS67

Using LTIR for legitimate injuries is not circumvention. Stone has a lacerated kidney I believe. All season long the NHL lets the team and their medical staff determine when a player is ready to play and come off LTIR. They're going to change that for a team in the playoff's. Just as teams did with back diving contracts, teams will exploit legal loopholes to gain an advantage around the salary cap. Wouldn't you is you were in charge of a team? The issue is the league has to figure out how to enforce when a player is ready to return. How do you do that?

Using LTIR for legitimate injuries is not circumvention. Stone has a lacerated kidney I believe. All season long the NHL lets the team and their medical staff determine when a player is ready to play and come off LTIR. They're going to change that for a team in the playoff's. Just as teams did with back diving contracts, teams will exploit legal loopholes to gain an advantage around the salary cap. Wouldn't you is you were in charge of a team? The issue is the league has to figure out how to enforce when a player is ready to return. How do you do that?
- MJL

I don't see or have issues with using LTIR space

The issue is the player coming back for game 1 of the playoffs and not game 82 of regular season which typically is only a couple days prior

The problem is how to enforce it, even having an outside physician wouldn't do much.

The one option I can see is if they agree that if a player is cleared for game 1 but not game 82 they would need to either miss first 4 games or even first round

Not fair on the player but recently feels like teams are magically saying a player isn't healthy for game 82 which would mean they'd be over the cap but is healthy to play a more physical playoff game a couple days later

I don't see or have issues with using LTIR space

The issue is the player coming back for game 1 of the playoffs and not game 82 of regular season which typically is only a couple days prior

The problem is how to enforce it, even having an outside physician wouldn't do much.

The one option I can see is if they agree that if a player is cleared for game 1 but not game 82 they would need to either miss first 4 games or even first round

Not fair on the player but recently feels like teams are magically saying a player isn't healthy for game 82 which would mean they'd be over the cap but is healthy to play a more physical playoff game a couple days later
- dmarsden2988

Exactly what I said in how the league enforces when a player is ready to come back and play. In almost all cases, with a player coming off of injury. Once he gets medical clearance to start practicing. The final decider is feedback from the player on how he feels and if he feels he is ready to play. How does the league enforce or regulate that?

Exactly what I said in how the league enforces when a player is ready to come back and play. In almost all cases, with a player coming off of injury. Once he gets medical clearance to start practicing. The final decider is feedback from the player on how he feels and if he feels he is ready to play. How does the league enforce or regulate that?
- MJL

LTIR space should only be available if the player is ineligible to return even for the post season, just like with players signed or traded after the deadline aren’t allowed to play the remainder of the year or playoffs, LTIR cap relief should only be for players who won’t be back til the following season and beyond, not for post season advantage

LTIR space should only be available if the player is ineligible to return even for the post season, just like with players signed or traded after the deadline aren’t allowed to play the remainder of the year or playoffs, LTIR cap relief should only be for players who won’t be back til the following season and beyond, not for post season advantage
- NSco1996

That doesn't make sense. Medical prognosis are not that exact of a science. With some injuries, you don't know exactly how long a player is going to be out. Some players recover faster than others. Players signed after the deadline are allowed to play in the regular season. Long term is considered at least 10 games and or 30 days. That's not the issue.