go re-read your own question.
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t have to re-read it, I wrote it.

I think the legal term (as stated elsewhere) for the guy is "family advisor" since Gauthier is still playing NCAA. However, going back to the statement Gauthier made about his refusal to come to the Flyers being a "family matter" sounds like word salad. SO did the family advisor make it a family matter ?
Hey if Flyers management is vengeful enough to trade for and bury a guy in the minors to screw the agent and the remainder of the guys career, I am getting out the popcorn, especially with the "issue/injury"
- RajaAmpat

Friedman reported it so someone fed him the information. It was obviously the agent since it doesn’t benefit the Flyers. Better to talk about grudges by Tortorella and against the agent then to admit Johansen stinks and was causing problems in the Colorado lockerroom as the reason he was sent to the AHL.

It seems like the Flyes gave up a lot, but when you look at it now, they really didn't give up all that much for Risto.
- jd250

They gave up more, much more, than they just got for Walker.

It seems like the Flyes gave up a lot, but when you look at it now, they really didn't give up all that much for Risto. Buffalo did not hit on their 1st round pick that year, and I'm not sure the Flyers would have done any better. That was a weird draft year if you recall with Covid. Haag was a throw in. The 2nd round pick last season was a good pick I would have loved the Flyers to keep. It's the years and AAV of the extension that for me is harder to swallow, especially since it should have been clear to Fletcher that his plan failed and he needed to pivot.
- jd250

This is hysterical. Yes, they gave up a lot for a mediocre player who was mediocre then and hasn't gotten any better. He has progressively moved from playing on the top pair in Buffalo, to playing 2nd pair and now he is a 3rd pair defenseman. It was an awful trade on the day it was made and many, including myself knew it. Give me a break.

It seems like the Flyes gave up a lot, but when you look at it now, they really didn't give up all that much for Risto. Buffalo did not hit on their 1st round pick that year, and I'm not sure the Flyers would have done any better. That was a weird draft year if you recall with Covid. Haag was a throw in. The 2nd round pick last season was a good pick I would have loved the Flyers to keep. It's the years and AAV of the extension that for me is harder to swallow, especially since it should have been clear to Fletcher that his plan failed and he needed to pivot.
- jd250

With trades for draft picks I try not to look back because no one knows who the Flyers would have picked. Of course, as you stated, it was Fletcher picking so.......The Flyers had/have so many holes, they need as many lottery picks as possible. Also the price paid made it almost a necessity to extend, which may have been the real damage.

Now if it was say Florida, Tampa or Carolina I would take the draft picks over RR. Of course, if it was one of those then that trade is never even considered...

The Drysdale situation puzzles me as it looked very bad from the outset.
- Hextall271

Agreed. He may have avoided surgery, but a dislocation is still a bad injury that takes time to completely heal. I really hope the Flyers do not rush him back for the sake of a playoff run. It's not worth it. The kid needs to strengthen this off-season and come ready to go for training camp.

Only looking at ES TOI makes the conversation relative to his teammates. One could argue that because he does not PK his ES TOI should be higher because he is more rested, and quite frankly more effective than most others
- mr4tno

Not when saying he only had X amount of ice time. In a game where there are a lot of penalties, ES icetime is going to be down for most players.

This is hysterical. Yes, they gave up a lot for a mediocre player who was mediocre then and hasn't gotten any better. He has progressively moved from playing on the top pair in Buffalo, to playing 2nd pair and now he is a 3rd pair defenseman. It was an awful trade on the day it was made and many, including myself knew it. Give me a break.

- MJL

Ristolainen hasn’t played since the Walker trade. We actually don’t know what pair he’ll play on now, especially if Drysdale is unlikely to return.

The very little I’ve seen of Johnson, I’d dress him over risto for sure. He’s been better imo

With trades for draft picks I try not to look back because no one knows who the Flyers would have picked. Of course, as you stated, it was Fletcher picking so.......The Flyers had/have so many holes, they need as many lottery picks as possible. Also the price paid made it almost a necessity to extend, which may have been the real damage.
- mr4tno

Yes, but the 2021 draft was overall a weak draft and the Flyers were picking 14th, so I don't think they would have got an impact player anyway is my only point. The 2023 draft was a very deep draft with a lot of high end talent, so that 2nd round pick to me was the more valuable of the two picks and the one I would not have given up if I were Fletcher. I also want to note that Flahr is doing the drafting for the Flyers and he IMO has done a terrific job. Even in the 2021 draft the FLyers got Tuomaala in the late 2nd round and he is at least showing he can play pro hockey in the AHL. Whether that translates to the NHL we'll see, Tuomaala has to get stronger physically for sure.

I have my worries with DB. I know he was backed in a corner but drysdale does very very little for me. He rarely flashed and was pretty much a mess defensively. He’s s work in progress but also missing requisite size from the get go, with defensemen you are in a hole to start.

Gurianov? Really? I know it’s a minor league trade. But why is he here on the team now? Cmon.
- Just5

I think it is an interesting reclamation project. 12th overall pick with a 20 goal season under his belt. What do they have to lose?

I think it is an interesting reclamation project. 12th overall pick with a 20 goal season under his belt. What do they have to lose?
- MBFlyerfan

Early in the first period. Was absolutely ridiculous. He starts skating backwards (as a forward) for some reason at the red line in an obvious 2 on 2 situation. Well that decision made it a 2 on 1 real quick. It was absurd. He can’t be fixed. If Nashville can’t make someone play responsible hockey no way it’s happening here

Yes, but the 2021 draft was overall a weak draft and the Flyers were picking 14th, so I don't think they would have got an impact player anyway is my only point. The 2023 draft was a very deep draft with a lot of high end talent, so that 2nd round pick to me was the more valuable of the two picks and the one I would not have given up if I were Fletcher. I also want to note that Flahr is doing the drafting for the Flyers and he IMO has done a terrific job. Even in the 2021 draft the FLyers got Tuomaala in the late 2nd round and he is at least showing he can play pro hockey in the AHL. Whether that translates to the NHL we'll see, Tuomaala has to get stronger physically for sure.
- jd250

At the time of the trade you said these were the kind of moves that put the Flyers into contention for the Stanley Cup

Yes, but the 2021 draft was overall a weak draft and the Flyers were picking 14th, so I don't think they would have got an impact player anyway is my only point. The 2023 draft was a very deep draft with a lot of high end talent, so that 2nd round pick to me was the more valuable of the two picks and the one I would not have given up if I were Fletcher. I also want to note that Flahr is doing the drafting for the Flyers and he IMO has done a terrific job. Even in the 2021 draft the FLyers got Tuomaala in the late 2nd round and he is at least showing he can play pro hockey in the AHL. Whether that translates to the NHL we'll see, Tuomaala has to get stronger physically for sure.
- jd250

Who Buffalo picked and any speculation on what the Flyers might have done, is irrelevant to the value that the Flyers gave up in a really bad trade. It is hyperbole and way too premature to say that Flahr has done a terrific job drafting. For example, how the last 3 drafts for the Flyers will turn out is still unknown.

This is hysterical. Yes, they gave up a lot for a mediocre player who was mediocre then and hasn't gotten any better. He has progressively moved from playing on the top pair in Buffalo, to playing 2nd pair and now he is a 3rd pair defenseman. It was an awful trade on the day it was made and many, including myself knew it. Give me a break.

- MJL

Risto may not be scoring as much in Philly as he did in Buffalo, but Risto under the coaching of Torts and Shaw is a much better defenseman now than he was in Buffalo. Yes at the time of the trade it appeared the Flyers gave up a lot, but you have to look at things today, not two years ago. And today, Haag is on Anaheim where he has only played 5 NHL games this year. Isak Rosen, whom the Sabres drafted at 14, is not an NHL player as yet. We'll see what that 2023 2nd round pick turns into. To me, the extension was the bigger crime by Fletcher.

Risto may not be scoring as much in Philly as he did in Buffalo, but Risto under the coaching of Torts and Shaw is a much better defenseman now than he was in Buffalo. Yes at the time of the trade it appeared the Flyers gave up a lot, but you have to look at things today, not two years ago. And today, Haag is on Anaheim where he has only played 5 NHL games this year. Isak Rosen, whom the Sabres drafted at 14, is not an NHL player as yet. We'll see what that 2023 2nd round pick turns into. To me, the extension was the bigger crime by Fletcher.
- jd250

No, he's not a much better defenseman. All that has happened is his role was reduced and he was moved down to the 3rd pair. In a more structured and conservative defensive system that took away his block head tendency to take himself out of position. He still has the same lack of hockey sense and poor coverage around the net. The value was what it was and it's not changed by anything that has happened since. It was a awful trade the day it was made.

Who Buffalo picked and any speculation on what the Flyers might have done, is irrelevant to the value that the Flyers gave up in a really bad trade. It is hyperbole and way too premature to say that Flahr has done a terrific job drafting. For example, how the last 3 drafts for the Flyers will turn out is still unknown.
- MJL

Flahr has a solid NHL track record, both in Minnesota and for the Flyers. He drafted York, Brink, Attard, Andrae, Foerster, and Gauthier. And so far Michkov and Bonk have potential to be great picks. Why can't you give the guy any credit?

I have my worries with DB. I know he was backed in a corner but drysdale does very very little for me. He rarely flashed and was pretty much a mess defensively. He’s s work in progress but also missing requisite size from the get go, with defensemen you are in a hole to start.

Gurianov? Really? I know it’s a minor league trade. But why is he here on the team now? Cmon.
- Just5

based on the rumored deals the flyers where clearly looking for a dman RHD. Did thy have tunnel vision and had other deals on the tabel?

Risto may not be scoring as much in Philly as he did in Buffalo, but Risto under the coaching of Torts and Shaw is a much better defenseman now than he was in Buffalo. Yes at the time of the trade it appeared the Flyers gave up a lot, but you have to look at things today, not two years ago. And today, Haag is on Anaheim where he has only played 5 NHL games this year. Isak Rosen, whom the Sabres drafted at 14, is not an NHL player as yet. We'll see what that 2023 2nd round pick turns into. To me, the extension was the bigger crime by Fletcher.
- jd250

Ristolainen isn’t being put in offensive situations but he’s undoubtedly has improved in his own end, where he was always pretty below average. I think Risto is the victim of bad development. Risto also likely plays higher in the line up if Walker doesn’t become such a pleasant surprise.

It seems like the Flyes gave up a lot, but when you look at it now, they really didn't give up all that much for Risto. Buffalo did not hit on their 1st round pick that year, and I'm not sure the Flyers would have done any better. That was a weird draft year if you recall with Covid. Haag was a throw in. The 2nd round pick last season was a good pick I would have loved the Flyers to keep. It's the years and AAV of the extension that for me is harder to swallow, especially since it should have been clear to Fletcher that his plan failed and he needed to pivot.
- jd250

not it seems, they 100% did. just because according to you they didnt hit doesnt validate anything. they got robbed

Finally! Someone said it! Lol
- Bob Habib

Brad Shaw for the Jack Adams!

Flahr has a solid NHL track record, both in Minnesota and for the Flyers. He drafted York, Brink, Attard, Andrae, Foerster, and Gauthier. And so far Michkov and Bonk have potential to be great picks. Why can't you give the guy any credit?
- jd250

Your statement was that Flahr has done a solid job drafting for the Flyers. His time in Minnesota is irrelevant in that context. Attard has yet to break into the NHL full time. Neither has Andrae. Gauthier is not Flyer property and has not played a single professional game. Your statement that Flahr has done a terrific job of drafting is a trifecta cocktail of homerism, hyperbole and pre-mature.

Flahr has a solid NHL track record, both in Minnesota and for the Flyers. He drafted York, Brink, Attard, Andrae, Foerster, and Gauthier. And so far Michkov and Bonk have potential to be great picks. Why can't you give the guy any credit?
- jd250

Still not solid on Attard. He got a raw deal in Tampa but on that first phantom penalty, it kinda concerns me that he went to push a guy without knowing where the puck was.

For what it's worth, Farabee and Sean Walker have the same agent as well. I think it was just Friedman speculating. He went on to say that Johansen was ready to make it work but might be dealing with an injury or maybe something else. The whole thing is weird, but I doubt it starts and stops with he has the same agent as Gauthier.
- TobyFlenderson

Imagine the Flyers are just trying their hardest not to embarrass RJ publicly by softening up the narrative but the triumvirate ultimately want him nowhere near the team.

Brad Shaw for the Jack Adams!
- mikeyo27

Joking aside, it sure seems like Shaw is being groomed for the head coach position.

Perhaps Torts plans on relocating upstairs after he's firmly established The Standard?