The amount of small Richard energy in here is incredible.

So Couts is lying .. oh .. wait .. you hung out with him last night and got the real scoop .. ok ..

Let me ask you this .. was Frost playing at his current level earlier this season? If not, why not?
- jd250

A lack of confidence due to the coach yanking him in and out of the lineup. He wasn't getting a chance to play his game, as Torts wanted to a 200' player. He wasn't able to establish any rhythm to his game, and he was terrified of making a mistake, as it meant he was out of the lineup again.

Now he is playing with confidence and knows he is playing the next game.

So Couts is lying .. oh .. wait .. you hung out with him last night and got the real scoop .. ok ..

Let me ask you this .. was Frost playing at his current level earlier this season? If not, why not?
- jd250

What the hell are you talking about?


I didn't think you could get any dumber but for the first time ever. You proved me wrong.


Frost was not playing at his current level due to the coach wouldn't let him. He scratched him after the first two games. If it wasn't for Tortorella being a complete ass. In saddling him on the 4th line in 22/23 and in scratching him this season. There is a good chance that Frost would be far more established and consistent as a player and a decent 2nd line center for this team. Tortorella has held Frost back, not helped him.

Look back at the beginning the season. Again, we see that Frost, when given consistent playing time, produces. How many times does Tortorella need to see that? Instead of scratching Frost a bunch of time. He could've been playing him, giving him ice time and taken some of the load off of Couturier in the beginning of the season. Overplaying Couturier and scratching Frost was a major coaching error by Tortorella. I still believe that the Flyers are going to make the playoffs but if they don't. Not having a fresher Couturier could be a major reason why.
- MJL

I agree. As you know, I’ve always been on the play frost bus. I’d have increased minutes as the year progressed and as you say that might have helped coots. People focus on we need to trade tk etc and jump start the 10 year bottom feeder rebuild, but to me you have to first see what we have by playing the kids a ton. Brink Foerster all should get minutes and not be scratched. Let them progress to see what we have.

Frost being the best center on the team kills you.

The only time Frost hasn't produced this season are the stretches the idiot coach healthy scratched him while running Couturier into the ground. Only TK, JF and OT produce more points per game this season than Frost has.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...erGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Cates down below Zamula is so funny considering dopes were trying to talk him up as a 2C last summer. Noah offense from that guy.
- Feanor

What the hell are you talking about?


I didn't think you could get any dumber but for the first time ever. You proved me wrong.


Frost was not playing at his current level due to the coach wouldn't let him. He scratched him after the first two games. If it wasn't for Tortorella being a complete ass. In saddling him on the 4th line in 22/23 and in scratching him this season. There is a good chance that Frost would be far more established and consistent as a player and a decent 2nd line center for this team. Tortorella has held Frost back, not helped him.
- MJL

You said the same thing last year, and the year before that (you just blamed a different coach). When are you going to get it. It's not on the coach, it's on the player. If Frost started the year playing like he is now, there would be no issues. Look, I don't like that he was benched for 8 games, that was ridiculous. But clearly Frost has been slow to take the coaching and make the necessary changes to his game. Frost finally seems to have made those changes and its paying off, and again the changes he has made are the EXACT changes I said needed to to be made this his game.

The bottom line is you have no evidence to prove that Frost not getting benched earlier this season would have resulted in a quicker turnaround, none whatsoever. Just more speculation and hyperbole from you that exposes your hatred for Torts.

A lack of confidence due to the coach yanking him in and out of the lineup. He wasn't getting a chance to play his game, as Torts wanted to a 200' player. He wasn't able to establish any rhythm to his game, and he was terrified of making a mistake, as it meant he was out of the lineup again.

Now he is playing with confidence and knows he is playing the next game.
- TheFreak

Sorry, I think you and others are epically wrong about this. Torts has stated many times that hockey is a game of mistakes. Any coach or player that has played the game a long time knows this. Torts does not bench players for mistakes. He benches players for not playing the way he and his coaching staff want them to play, and only after several instances. Take the 1 game Farabee was benched after only 1 shift earlier this season. That was not because of a mistake, but because Farabee was being pig-headed and needed a strong message to be sent. Torts has certain non-negotiables and if you break them you sit, everyone on the team knows this. TK makes mistakes all the time. Torts has said numerous times that TK drives him crazy, yet TK does not sit a game. Why? Because Torts knows he is trying to play the right way and also trying to balance that with his offensive creativity.

So if Frost was benched initially, it was because he was breaking one or more of the non-negotiables. I think the fact that he stayed out of the lineup so long was a result of the team playing really well in that stretch and Torts didn't want to mess with the lineup; Frost has not been benched since. Everyone it seems feels benching hurts players. I don't think it does. As a coach you have to stand firm to what you believe and not deviate even a little bit. Players are like children, if they see any leeway they will take it and then the coach loses all credibility. Players don't have to like a coach, but they need to respect the coach, otherwise the entire team collapses and the coach needs to be replaced.

Sorry, I think you and others are epically wrong about this. Torts has stated many times that hockey is a game of mistakes. Any coach or player that has played the game a long time knows this. Torts does not bench players for mistakes. He benches players for not playing the way he and his coaching staff want them to play, and only after several instances. Take the 1 game Farabee was benched after only 1 shift earlier this season. That was not because of a mistake, but because Farabee was being pig-headed and needed a strong message to be sent. Torts has certain non-negotiables and if you break them you sit, everyone on the team knows this. TK makes mistakes all the time. Torts has said numerous times that TK drives him crazy, yet TK does not sit a game. Why? Because Torts knows he is trying to play the right way and also trying to balance that with his offensive creativity.

So if Frost was benched initially, it was because he was breaking one or more of the non-negotiables. I think the fact that he stayed out of the lineup so long was a result of the team playing really well in that stretch and Torts didn't want to mess with the lineup; Frost has not been benched since. Everyone it seems feels benching hurts players. I don't think it does. As a coach you have to stand firm to what you believe and not deviate even a little bit. Players are like children, if they see any leeway they will take it and then the coach loses all credibility. Players don't have to like a coach, but they need to respect the coach, otherwise the entire team collapses and the coach needs to be replaced.
- jd250

No, no I am not.

I am not getting back into the benching of Frost. It was wrong. Just like playing Coots 20+ minutes a game, just like playing ND instead of Coots or Frost. Just like the 11-7 lineup. The players are worn out due to the stupidity and ignorance of the coach.

You said the same thing last year, and the year before that (you just blamed a different coach). When are you going to get it. It's not on the coach, it's on the player. If Frost started the year playing like he is now, there would be no issues. Look, I don't like that he was benched for 8 games, that was ridiculous. But clearly Frost has been slow to take the coaching and make the necessary changes to his game. Frost finally seems to have made those changes and its paying off, and again the changes he has made are the EXACT changes I said needed to to be made this his game.



- jd250

The evidence is clear. Whenever Frost has been given consistent playing time on a scoring line, he has produced. It's that simple. Frost was given two games before being scratched. LOL
Frost has done everything every coach has asked of him and has consistently improved as a player including his play away from the puck to the point where is one of the better forwards away from the puck on the team.
You have been consistently wrong about Frost as a player and continue to be wrong.

The bottom line is you have no evidence to prove that Frost not getting benched earlier this season would have resulted in a quicker turnaround, none whatsoever. Just more speculation and hyperbole from you that exposed your hatred for Torts.
- jd250

Of course I have evidence. For two seasons now, whenever Frost has been given consistent playing time on a scoring line, he has produced. When he is screwed with by the coach, he doesn't. Not hard to figure out.

Sorry, I think you and others are epically wrong about this. Torts has stated many times that hockey is a game of mistakes. Any coach or player that has played the game a long time knows this. Torts does not bench players for mistakes. He benches players for not playing the way he and his coaching staff want them to play, and only after several instances. Take the 1 game Farabee was benched after only 1 shift earlier this season. That was not because of a mistake, but because Farabee was being pig-headed and needed a strong message to be sent. Torts has certain non-negotiables and if you break them you sit, everyone on the team knows this. TK makes mistakes all the time. Torts has said numerous times that TK drives him crazy, yet TK does not sit a game. Why? Because Torts knows he is trying to play the right way and also trying to balance that with his offensive creativity.

So if Frost was benched initially, it was because he was breaking one or more of the non-negotiables. I think the fact that he stayed out of the lineup so long was a result of the team playing really well in that stretch and Torts didn't want to mess with the lineup; Frost has not been benched since. Everyone it seems feels benching hurts players. I don't think it does. As a coach you have to stand firm to what you believe and not deviate even a little bit. Players are like children, if they see any leeway they will take it and then the coach loses all credibility. Players don't have to like a coach, but they need to respect the coach, otherwise the entire team collapses and the coach needs to be replaced.
- jd250

Frost was benched after 2 games, after a good camp, a good preseason and a good finish to the prior season. The 2nd game, the whole team shxt the bed, maybe he should have benched the whole team. Torts likes to pick on certain players, period, full stop. It is obvious to whole world but you.

He missed games from injury in November and again in January.

Averaged 20:03 up till January 13 (40 GP, 10 G, 19 A, +11).

Since then has only averaged 16:10 (24 GP, 1 G, 6 A, -17).
- Feanor

Okay, so due to sign of his body breaking down, they began to limit his minutes. That’s a good thing.

The amount of small Richard energy in here is incredible.
- Tomahawk

Is a woman controlling this account? I’ve only ever heard women use this term.

Frost was benched after 2 games, after a good camp, a good preseason and a good finish to the prior season. The 2nd game, the whole team shxt the bed, maybe he should have benched the whole team. Torts likes to pick on certain players, period, full stop. It is obvious to whole world but you.
- wcorvette

Well said. It has been Torts M.O. for his entire career. Not sure why that is difficult to see.

let the weekend begin college hoops

Frost being the best center on the team kills you.

The only time Frost hasn't produced this season are the stretches the idiot coach healthy scratched him while running Couturier into the ground. Only TK, JF and OT produce more points per game this season than Frost has.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...erGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Cates down below Zamula is so funny considering dopes were trying to talk him up as a 2C last summer. Noah offense from that guy.
- Feanor

like clockwork the eventual cates comparisons. do the ivan and sanheim next. maybe throw in some ghost and nak

Proposed draft time trade:
Sabres get Scott Laughton, Flyers get Sabres 2024 1st round pick + Noah Ostlund

wonder if frost wears boxers or briefs. perhaps bikini underwear.

Proposed draft time trade:
Sabres get Scott Laughton, Flyers get Sabres 2024 1st round pick + Noah Ostlund
- jd250

still holding out up they move scottie. so blind you are.

why would they sabres give that up for Laughton? seems a severe overpay to me

1 goal in what 27 games? This is lecavalier type stuff from couts
- Just5

He’s only being paid 8.5 million to produce those stellar numbers. He’s being criminally mistreated.

The evidence is clear. Whenever Frost has been given consistent playing time on a scoring line, he has produced. It's that simple. Frost was given two games before being scratched. LOL
Frost has done everything every coach has asked of him and has consistently improved as a player including his play away from the puck to the point where is one of the better forwards away from the puck on the team.
You have been consistently wrong about Frost as a player and continue to be wrong.
- MJL

I have offered what I think Frost needs to do to develop into a top 6 forward for two years now, its well documented, its consistent with no ambiguity. Frost is finally starting to do these things consistently and he is seeing good results in meaningful games. It's clear as day. The only one that is wrong here is you, which I completely expect since its clear to everyone that other than maybe in the school yard with an orange Esposito ball, you have never actually played this sport.

Is a woman controlling this account? I’ve only ever heard women use this term.
- roenick97

I'm not surprised. They were probably all saying it about you.

still holding out up they move scottie. so blind you are.

why would they sabres give that up for Laughton? seems a severe overpay to me
- hello it's me 2050

Read another article in the hockey news today stating the Sabres desperately want a player like Laughton. The Flyers have stated to get Laughton a team would have to over pay him. So this trade seemed to fit the bill from both sides.

Sorry, I think you and others are epically wrong about this. Torts has stated many times that hockey is a game of mistakes. Any coach or player that has played the game a long time knows this. Torts does not bench players for mistakes. He benches players for not playing the way he and his coaching staff want them to play, and only after several instances. Take the 1 game Farabee was benched after only 1 shift earlier this season. That was not because of a mistake, but because Farabee was being pig-headed and needed a strong message to be sent. Torts has certain non-negotiables and if you break them you sit, everyone on the team knows this. TK makes mistakes all the time. Torts has said numerous times that TK drives him crazy, yet TK does not sit a game. Why? Because Torts knows he is trying to play the right way and also trying to balance that with his offensive creativity.

So if Frost was benched initially, it was because he was breaking one or more of the non-negotiables. I think the fact that he stayed out of the lineup so long was a result of the team playing really well in that stretch and Torts didn't want to mess with the lineup; Frost has not been benched since. Everyone it seems feels benching hurts players. I don't think it does. As a coach you have to stand firm to what you believe and not deviate even a little bit. Players are like children, if they see any leeway they will take it and then the coach loses all credibility. Players don't have to like a coach, but they need to respect the coach, otherwise the entire team collapses and the coach needs to be replaced.
- jd250

Ask Brink
Ask Lyksell
Ask Farabee

there are numerous instances of him stapling players to the bench after a mistake

Read another article in the hockey news today stating the Sabres desperately want a player like Laughton. The Flyers have stated to get Laughton a team would have to over pay him. So this trade seemed to fit the bill from both sides.
- jd250

why would the sabres give that package up for a guy like laughton? if your the sabres gm do you make that deal?

yes overpay, meaning flyers have zero desire to move him.

Well said. It has been Torts M.O. for his entire career. Not sure why that is difficult to see.
- Flyfly

in his defense, his view is blocked, due to his head being up Torts ass. Don't get me wrong, I like some things Torts does, they have structure and they play hard. I have no issue with tough love, but tough love does not need to be disrespectful.