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WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Mar 20 @ 7:52 AM ET
I can really see Tortorella doing something like that but Couturier was named captain on 2/14. There have been about 14 games since then. Why did he wait that long? It followed a familiar pattern with Tortorella. Cut ice time, demote down in lines, cut ice time further then a scratch.
- MJL


Maybe he was hoping Coots was going to figure it and and correct whatever the issue is. You know, let him play through it.




MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 20 @ 7:52 AM ET
Kudos to you for posting something that will stir the pot, but you can't honestly believe this BS, do you?
- jd250



Do I believe the team appointed a Captain and Torts didn't want it? Yes. DO I believe the rest, not really.

Though when I hear there has been no communication between Torts and Coots since he was named Captain, I am understandably curious.
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Location: AR
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Mar 20 @ 7:55 AM ET
Kudos to you for posting something that will stir the pot, but you can't honestly believe this BS, do you?
- jd250

right back at you
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Mar 20 @ 7:55 AM ET
You take the two points and run obviously but this is game that more time than not, the Flyers will lose. The Flyers are a defensive team and they gave up way too much. They were more competitive and played better but it's nothing to celebrate. Flyers came out on the better end of puck luck. Two seeing eye goals that got through traffic and went in and the Leafs hit at least 5 posts. Flyers hit a couple. Most nights, the Flyers will lose that game. There is also the Nylander play with the open net where the puck luckily hit York when he wasn't even facing the shooter.
- MJL


I agree this is the type of game they will lose more often than not. I give credit to the players for stepping up but they grinded and found a way to win.

How about big Nic D with a whopping 5:21 of ice time. Surely, they could have used Coots on the dot last night.
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Mar 20 @ 7:56 AM ET
Whether a player stays in the lineup or not is completely up to them. Torts has laid down the standard; he will play the players that are playing the best hockey. In the past 10 games, has Couturier been the best center on this team? The second best center? Even the 3rd best center? His ice time was cut and his responsibility lessoned so he could have the time to work on his game and improve. Did he improve? I don't like that Couts was scratched, but IMO his game has been off pretty much the entire season. He is slow, behind the play often, and losing more than his normal share of puck battles. His face-offs have been the only saving grace up to this point. I suspect he will be back in the lineup soon, but in the meantime I'm sure the message was sent loud and clear to the locker room, raise your game this time of year or you sit. And I love it!
- jd250

more parroting. wipe your chin.
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Mar 20 @ 7:57 AM ET
thought ginning wasnt allowed to play being an emergency call up. didnt some peeps say that?
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Mar 20 @ 7:59 AM ET
Whether a player stays in the lineup or not is completely up to them. Torts has laid down the standard; he will play the players that are playing the best hockey. In the past 10 games, has Couturier been the best center on this team? The second best center? Even the 3rd best center? His ice time was cut and his responsibility lessoned so he could have the time to work on his game and improve. Did he improve? I don't like that Couts was scratched, but IMO his game has been off pretty much the entire season. He is slow, behind the play often, and losing more than his normal share of puck battles. His face-offs have been the only saving grace up to this point. I suspect he will be back in the lineup soon, but in the meantime I'm sure the message was sent loud and clear to the locker room, raise your game this time of year or you sit. And I love it!
- jd250


How do you judge how good of a center is? He are the stats of the 4 centers, last night not included.

G A +/- PPP SHP GWG SOG FW HITS
Coots 3 -6 1 1 0 15 64 17
Laughton 3 2 5 1 1 0 17 68 17
Frost 2 6 0 3 0 0 16 55 6
Poehling 2 2 -3 0 0 0 16 91 7

Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 20 @ 7:59 AM ET
How did Frost look? I’d say he has the goods….
- Flyfly


I think he played well. 2 pts. He should never be out of the lineup as I think he will continue to improve with more playing time/confidence.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 20 @ 8:01 AM ET
right back at you
- hello it's me 2050
I hope you lost lots of money last night when you bet on the Laffs!
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Mar 20 @ 8:01 AM ET
I think Frost has played two really strong games back to back against two top teams. I hope he continues to do this because the Flyers need it badly. My only critique is Frost has got to be more careful and not take dumb penalties. With the PK struggling, they almost cost the team the game last night.
- jd250


He played very well, My hope is he keeps playing like he is bc they will need him (as you stated)
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 20 @ 8:02 AM ET
You take the two points and run obviously but this is game that more time than not, the Flyers will lose. The Flyers are a defensive team and they gave up way too much. They were more competitive and played better but it's nothing to celebrate. Flyers came out on the better end of puck luck. Two seeing eye goals that got through traffic and went in and the Leafs hit at least 5 posts. Flyers hit a couple. Most nights, the Flyers will lose that game. There is also the Nylander play with the open net where the puck luckily hit York when he wasn't even facing the shooter.
- MJL
The official count was 4 posts. Please stop making stuff up to fit your agenda.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 20 @ 8:03 AM ET
Danny Briere on the #flyers decision to healthy scratch captain Sean Couturier tonight: "I can tell you one thing -- with John Tortorella, it doesn't matter who it is. That's what he's known for. He treats everybody the same way."
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 20 @ 8:03 AM ET
The official count was 4 posts. Please stop making stuff up to fit your agenda.
- Phillywhiteout



The broadcast said 6, so maybe he was just going by that?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 20 @ 8:04 AM ET
Danny Briere on the #flyers decision to healthy scratch captain Sean Couturier tonight: "I can tell you one thing -- with John Tortorella, it doesn't matter who it is. That's what he's known for. He treats everybody the same way."
- jd250



The results came back, and this statement is determined to be........



a lie.



Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 20 @ 8:04 AM ET
I'm tellin ya all! Torts is a genius! He scratched Coots to create confrontation! He wanted TK to be his captain, but was overruled. So now he has a mellow captain and he decided to light a fire under his arse. Coots will come out with his hair on fire next game! Book it Dano!!
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 20 @ 8:05 AM ET
How many posts did the Flyers hit?
- jd250


Two. Toronto hit four.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 20 @ 8:05 AM ET
The broadcast said 6, so maybe he was just going by that?
- MBFlyerfan
I thought it was 6 total. Four by the Laffs and 2 by the Flyguys.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 20 @ 8:05 AM ET
I hope you lost lots of money last night when you bet on the Laffs!

- Phillywhiteout


I'm very glad they won (on my b day no less!) but in reality, had even half of those posts they hit gone in, we lose that. What you will also notice, is how hard of a slog it was to hold in the late third when we could not win a single faceoff. Tavares was eating us ALIVE. Couts has struggled for sure, but of late, his faceoffs have been better. At minimum, we missed that aspect of his game. We very much got lucky to hold on for that win in the 3rd.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 20 @ 8:05 AM ET
How do you judge how good of a center is? He are the stats of the 4 centers, last night not included.

G A +/- PPP SHP GWG SOG FW HITS
Coots 3 -6 1 1 0 15 64 17
Laughton 3 2 5 1 1 0 17 68 17
Frost 2 6 0 3 0 0 16 55 6
Poehling 2 2 -3 0 0 0 16 91 7

- WhiskeyMan

I think Laughts, Frost and Poehling have all played much better than Couts in this last stretch.
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Location: AR
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Mar 20 @ 8:05 AM ET
I hope you lost lots of money last night when you bet on the Laffs!

- Phillywhiteout

win some lose some. probably lost more last night than you make in a week on that game. good nigh toverall when you facto rin college hoops.

what else you have today?
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Location: AR
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Mar 20 @ 8:06 AM ET
Danny Briere on the #flyers decision to healthy scratch captain Sean Couturier tonight: "I can tell you one thing -- with John Tortorella, it doesn't matter who it is. That's what he's known for. He treats everybody the same way."
- jd250

you lap that up despite knowing it is not true at all
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Location: AR
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Mar 20 @ 8:07 AM ET
Two. Toronto hit four.
- bmeltzer

that play by nylander was nice to watch.
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Mar 20 @ 8:08 AM ET
I think Laughts, Frost and Poehling have all played much better than Couts in this last stretch.
- jd250

the flyers center group sucks and has to be one of the worst in the league.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 20 @ 8:09 AM ET
Two. Toronto hit four.
- bmeltzer

Bill, how do you think Couts is handling sitting a game? I'm sure as a player he wants to be in the lineup so he is disappointed and a bit irked. But is he handling it the way a 'C' on the team should handle it, setting the right example especially for the younger players?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 20 @ 8:10 AM ET
the flyers center group sucks and has to be one of the worst in the league.
- hello it's me 2050

Yup, definitely a weak point right now, however obtaining just 1 top center slots everyone where they should be and turns this into a strength.
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