I get the idea of trading on the high, but the guy is only on the hook for one more year and has 22 goals thus far with a losing season (that’s more than Barzal). I’m not saying they must keep him but he’s the type of player a winning team needs in the middle 6
- kindlyrick

The Islanders are an average team. You cannot compare Barzal and Palms. Barzal is a playmaker and not a pure goal scorer. You trade Palms before he breaks down and has little value. The same with Nelson. You trade him now.

The Islanders are an average team. You cannot compare Barzal and Palms. Barzal is a playmaker and not a pure goal scorer. You trade Palms before he breaks down and has little value.
- ses111

I’m not comparing the two other than salary vs goals scored. The numbers show that Palmieri has more goals making almost half of Barzal. That’s not really an endorsement for Palmieri but more so a knock on Barzal

The time to trade Nelson or Palmieri was at the deadline if you’re talking about trading them on the high. That’s when teams pay up, looking for secondary scoring. Lou didn’t do that so that leads me to believe he’s gonna add July 1 and not re tool

I’m not comparing the two other than salary vs goals scored. The numbers show that Palmieri has more goals making almost half of Barzal. That’s not really an endorsement for Palmieri but more so a knock on Barzal

The time to trade Nelson or Palmieri was at the deadline if you’re talking about trading them on the high. That’s when teams pay up. Lou didn’t do that so that leads me to believe he’s gonna add July 1 and not re tool
- kindlyrick

Lou has not been big on adding. His focus has been on keeping a team that is not good enough together. This is why we need an outside GM with no loyalty to these players.

Lou has not be big on adding. His focus has been on keeping a team that is not good enough together. This is why we need an outside GM with no loyalty to these players.
- ses111

I get your point and def agree with you on the loyalty part. But I also noticed that 4 of the players mentioned being linked to the isles are UFA’s this summer. Maybe Lou makes a splash July 1 (although I’m not confident based on his history of signing UFAs here).
In fairness to Lou not blowing it up the isles were on a little heater leading into the deadline. Hindsight’s 20/20 as they say.
I don’t see him rebuilding, but this team needs a little shakeup roster wise

I get your point and def agree with you on the loyalty part. But I also noticed that 4 of the players mentioned being linked to the isles are UFA’s this summer. Maybe Lou makes a splash July 1 (although I’m not confident based on his history of signing UFAs here).
In fairness to Lou not blowing it up the isles were on a little heater leading into the deadline. Hindsight’s 20/20 as they say.
I don’t see him rebuilding, but this team needs a little shakeup roster wise
- kindlyrick

I have no issue not blowing it up with the team winning 6 straight. If Lou stays, he needs to change his entire approach.

That is correct. Theoretically, they could even finish first in the division. It's obviously not happening however.

http://www.playoffstatus....nhl/easternstandings.html

My head tells me they would be better off tanking. But until they are mathematically eliminated, my instinct will kick in and I will root for them.
- JohnScammo

Quite honestly, Carolina was the first team we've played from the east that I felt was just light years ahead of us. That's not a compliment to the Isles but more of a statement as to how tight things are. If they get in, anything can happen. At this point, not getting in will only mean a slight difference in pick position. So give me a round of playoffs and we'll see what happens

I have no issue not blowing it up with the team winning 6 straight. If Lou stays, he needs to change his entire approach.
- ses111

You could say he already did, and this is the disastrous result. Lou was always a 'play from the net out guy' which is why he and Trotz built that defense first mentality. He let Lane refocus the team on offense and they've been nothing but bad since.

You could say he already did, and this is the disastrous result. Lou was always a 'play from the net out guy' which is why he and Trotz built that defense first mentality. He let Lane refocus the team on offense and they've been nothing but bad since.
- keaner17

I have to think Lou did not tell Lane to forget defense. Islanders were not winning the Cup putting up Barry’s offensive numbers. The team needs to be good enough both offensively and defensively. Just being good on defense is not enough.

I have no issue not blowing it up with the team winning 6 straight. If Lou stays, he needs to change his entire approach.
- ses111

He needs to land the assets via free agency without giving up assets to aquire them. That’s really the biggest issue imo. I believe it’s why he blinked first on Horvat and gave up assets to aquire the right to sign him long term because he’s had problems luring Girioux, Panarin, Gaudreau, Kadri etc to sign via free agency.

I have to think Lou did not tell Lane to forget defense. Islanders were not winning the Cup putting up Barry’s offensive numbers.
- ses111

Devils did. Isles were a few PP goals away from the cup finals. It wasn’t their lack of even strength goals in the defensive Trotz system

Devils did. Isles were a few PP goals away from the cup finals. It wasn’t their lack of even strength goals in the defensive Trotz system
- kindlyrick

That was years ago and those Devils team probably scored more than Barry’s teams did. Devils did not have star type forwards, but they had some very solid forwards and were deeper than the Islanders forwards. The Islanders could barely get a shot on goal during that game 7 loss to Tampa. Barry was so afraid to open things up just a little and they got shutout twice during that series.

That was years ago and those Devils team probably scored more than Barry’s teams did. Devils did not have star type forwards, but they had some very solid forwards and were deeper than the Islanders forwards. The Islanders could barely get a shot on goal during that game 7 loss to Tampa. Barry was so afraid to open things up just a little and they got shutout twice during that series.
- ses111

The PP failed them. It’s been an issue for years. It’s why Mildew traded for Yashin, and the litany of others brought it I.E Cliff Ronning, MAB to name a few.

This season is going to end and the isles have the first rounder. Maybe they add July 1st….either way I’ll be watching. Lol

I get the idea of trading on the high, but the guy is only on the hook for one more year and has 22 goals thus far with a losing season (that’s more than Barzal). I’m not saying they must keep him but he’s the type of player a winning team needs in the middle 6. I get the isles aren’t a winning team, but they can be with the addition of some UFAs and removal of some dead weight.
- kindlyrick

Conveniently leaving out that Barzal has 28 more points than Palmieri

Conveniently leaving out that Barzal has 28 more points than Palmieri
- UIF

Small details.

Guys making 5 million a year and is a UFA after next year. He’s got 22 goals this year. Is he really the priority to move???
- kindlyrick

Not a priority but the guy is 33. Has been arguably one of our more inconsistent fwds. We aren’t competing anytime soon. Get rid of him while you have a chance to get a return. If we’re going to continue going for it like I think we are we can put that salary to better use. He was invisible for 3/4’s of the year. I fully expect him to have minimal impact next season like he has had for most of his time here. Sell high.

So
Do we want an Islanders win or loss tonight? I'm confused.
- chazpet

Whatever

Quite honestly, Carolina was the first team we've played from the east that I felt was just light years ahead of us. That's not a compliment to the Isles but more of a statement as to how tight things are. If they get in, anything can happen. At this point, not getting in will only mean a slight difference in pick position. So give me a round of playoffs and we'll see what happens
- keaner17

Which is why I will still be rooting for them. But they are running out of time to turn the season around. After looking good for 6 straight games, they have looked bad for the last 5. They need to turn up the intensity and play some desperate hockey. Too many players look like they're on cruise control. A regulation win tonight vs. Detroit would be a good start.

Not a priority but the guy is 33. Has been arguably one of our more inconsistent fwds. We aren’t competing anytime soon. Get rid of him while you have a chance to get a return. If we’re going to continue going for it like I think we are we can put that salary to better use. He was invisible for 3/4’s of the year I fully expect him to have minimal impact next season like he has had for most of his time here. Sell high.
- Cptmjl

Lou like some Islander fans fall in love with these players and cannot see trading them. This is why we are in this spot.

Quite honestly, Carolina was the first team we've played from the east that I felt was just light years ahead of us. That's not a compliment to the Isles but more of a statement as to how tight things are. If they get in, anything can happen. At this point, not getting in will only mean a slight difference in pick position. So give me a round of playoffs and we'll see what happens
- keaner17

I agree. The thirteenth pick as opposed to 17 makes little difference especially in this draft which by all accounts is weak.

Not a priority but the guy is 33. Has been arguably one of our more inconsistent fwds. We aren’t competing anytime soon. Get rid of him while you have a chance to get a return. If we’re going to continue going for it like I think we are we can put that salary to better use. He was invisible for 3/4’s of the year. I fully expect him to have minimal impact next season like he has had for most of his time here. Sell high.
- Cptmjl

Palms leads the team by a wide margin with a -16. Maybe he just has the bad luck of being on the ice at the wrong time.

Lou like some Islander fans fall in love with these players and cannot see trading them.
- ses111

I’m happy for Palmieri that he seems to have found his legs after three years of at best mediocrity with us. The guy has been a disappointment for the most part. He has been better the last couple of months and scored some goals in what looks like a losing season whether we make the playoffs or not. Yay. Trade him for a 2nd or whatever you can get rather then get nothing.

Palms leads the team by a wide margin with a -16. Maybe he just has the bad luck of being on the ice at the wrong time.
- JohnScammo

I was excited we signed the guy when we did but I will be even more excited to see him go. Was a fan haven’t been for a while. Not sure why anyone would be.

I’m happy for Palmieri that he seems to have found his legs after three years of at best mediocrity with us. The guy has been a disappointment for the most part. He has been better the last couple of months and scored some goals in what looks like a losing season whether we make the playoffs or not. Yay. Trade him for a 2nd or whatever you can get rather then get nothing.
- Cptmjl

Totally agree. I just do not get wanting to keep this average team together.

Someone in the main thread said to use the browser Brave and I installed it and not an add to be seen

I get the idea of trading on the high, but the guy is only on the hook for one more year and has 22 goals thus far with a losing season (that’s more than Barzal). I’m not saying they must keep him but he’s the type of player a winning team needs in the middle 6. I get the isles aren’t a winning team, but they can be with the addition of some UFAs and removal of some dead weight.
- kindlyrick

There's no dead weight to move. Martin and Clutterbuck are on expiring deals. Engvall and Mayfield can't be moved. Nobody is taking Lee without the Islanders including a 1st, if not more. Pageau probably won't attract a lot of attention with two years left.

Palmieri is 33 and isn't going to get any better than he is right now. They should take full advantage of that while they have the opportunity. Otherwise, they are likely to be dumping him off for a 2nd or 3rd or something at the deadline and they'll have missed their window to get more for him.