funny thing, the Torts debate will come center attention now.

By all accounts the Flyers have the favorable schedule comparing to Wings and to lesser extent Caps, but they also play the Caps. Take care of business and you are in. Torts keeps leaking points, due to his decisions it will take some shine off this season. Yes, they overachieved to date but they had the control down the stretch and expectations went up. Get in, the post mortem on the season will be all sunshine and rainbows, blow it, all decisions come under scrutiny, from the Frost 8 games in the beginning, to the Coots, to the OT, to the childish antics in not doing his pressers.

Don't get me wrong, all coaches deserve to make mistakes, Torts has them in a good position, but all coaches are responsible for their body of work. I hope it ends on a good note, I hope they grown from here and

LETS GO FLYERS

PS- Pitt wins the lottery, I will boycott the NHL
- wcorvette

But this is my problem with Torts. Smart people learn from their mistakes and make adjustments., Dumb people ignore mistakes and make the same mistakes over and over again. Bill rightly pointed that this is the 3rd time in 2 weeks that Torts has approached OT this way and lost very quickly in OT. How many times does he have to see this happen? The Flyers got 6 points in this 7 game stretch against top teams. They could have got up to 9 points with simply changing the approach in OT. That is what is frustrating here. A coach with the experience of Torts should know when to make adjustments and change his approach when the results are not there.

it is ok to take new input and adjust your opinion, but initially you need to consider all that might be going on to form that opinion, not just defend the company line
- wcorvette

Exactly!

Torts, Coots, Frosty, please make it stop.

But this is my problem with Torts. Smart people learn from their mistakes and make adjustments., Dumb people ignore mistakes and make the same mistakes over and over again. Bill rightly pointed that this is the 3rd time in 2 weeks that Torts has approached OT this way and lost very quickly in OT. How many times does he have to see this happen? The Flyers got 6 points in this 7 game stretch against top teams. They could have got up to 9 points with simply changing the approach in OT. That is what is frustrating here. A coach with the experience of Torts should know when to make adjustments and change his approach when the results are not there.
- jd250

Exactly what Bill said - Torts has blinders on!

But this is my problem with Torts. Smart people learn from their mistakes and make adjustments., Dumb people ignore mistakes and make the same mistakes over and over again. Bill rightly pointed that this is the 3rd time in 2 weeks that Torts has approached OT this way and lost very quickly in OT. How many times does he have to see this happen? The Flyers got 6 points in this 7 game stretch against top teams. They could have got up to 9 points with simply changing the approach in OT. That is what is frustrating here. A coach with the experience of Torts should know when to make adjustments and change his approach when the results are not there.
- jd250

Correct, die with your boots on, maybe they still lose but go for the win, it is clear his way does not work, same as 2 D was dumb.

Worst OT record in the NHL under Torts: 7-19

https://www.nhl.com/stats...alsFor&page=0&pageSize=50

Another OT and Frost, Tippett and Konecny do not see the ice. The over reliance on role players is getting old. Ryan Poehling has played well this year. But he is Ryan Poehling. If you want to start with a more defensive unit and try to win the draw there is no reason your not starting Couturier or even Laughton.

Also if he put out Peohling who was already hurt, and he looked like he was, then I need an answer how that happens.

Oh, how your narrative is changing. I thought Couts was cooked?!? Your boy Torts is giving points away when they need every single point they can get.
- Flyfly

Couturier is cooked, can't keep up with the play. LOL

All it will take is Torts speaking to the media and one bad game from Couts and you will be right back where you started. Most on here have been saying this for a long time and you constantly say we are wrong. Any educated fan knew all of this but you are coming around (for now anyway).
- Flyfly

Yes most have been saying this for a long time with NO data to back it up. Torts has been great with the media until recently. Couts was averaging over 18 minutes a game earlier in the season. Torts has brought a lot of good things to the Flyers that most of you would not even acknowledge. Thus, I believe the criticisms of Torts last year and this year were unwarranted. I am not opposed to criticizing Torts, just as long as there is good reason to do so. Now there is good reason to criticize Torts IMO.

Couturier is cooked, can't keep up with the play. LOL
- MJL

He was and as I stated and Briere confirmed, he was clearly hurt with multiple injuries.

I have defended Torts all year and I appreciate what he has brought to the Flyers. But I'm sorry, Torts does not deserve an A+. He loses marks with his approach last year and this year to OT, he loses marks for benching Couts and not utilizing him properly, especially late in games, and he loses marks with how he has handled his pre and post game interviews down the stretch here. As a result, he gets a B from me.
- jd250

How is a coach with a B grade going to win the Jack Adams. You know, to make it two in a row.

Another OT and Frost, Tippett and Konecny do not see the ice. The over reliance on role players is getting old. Ryan Poehling has played well this year. But he is Ryan Poehling. If you want to start with a more defensive unit and try to win the draw there is no reason your not starting Couturier or even Laughton.

Also if he put out Peohling who was already hurt, and he looked like he was, then I need an answer how that happens.
- J35Bacher

and the kicker, Torts is all about the players progressing, well Tip and Frost, two high end O players, give them the ball. Let them learn how to win. Do ya think if they win a few in OT, it will elevate their game?

Yes, Couts did look cooked, and now it's clear based on what Briere said that he was fighting up to 5 different injuries. I don't think Couts should play 20+ minutes a game, but he can and should be utilized much better than he is being used now.

And my narrative as you state it, will change as the inputs change. When coaches and/or players deserve criticism, I state it. When they deserve praise, I state it. It's just plain dumb to form a narrative and then not change it if and when the inputs to that initial narrative have changed. Torts is unraveling down the stretch here, and thus he deserves criticism.
- jd250

Everyone with the exception of you and maybe one other poster knew that Couturier was banged up. All the while you were saying he was cooked. Even when he was playing solidly in the first half. Just another example.

Torts will lose more credibilty if the Flyers can't gain ground in the next 5, save the idea caps and Wings win all 5



Flyers (82 pts)
-@ Montreal
-vs Chicago
-vs Isles
-@ Buffalo
-@ Columbus

• Washington (81 pts)
-@ Toronto
-vs Boston
-@ Buffalo
-vs Penguins
-@ Carolina

• Detroit (79 pts)
-@ Carolina
-@ Florida
-@ Tampa Bay
-vs Rangers
-vs Buffalo

How is a coach with a B grade going to win the Jack Adams. You know, to make it two in a row.
- MJL

Honestly, Tort's shouldn't win based on his recent behavior. It's a shame because Torts has done a lot of good things for the Flyers, but he is leaking credibility by the boatload right now.

But this is my problem with Torts. Smart people learn from their mistakes and make adjustments., Dumb people ignore mistakes and make the same mistakes over and over again. Bill rightly pointed that this is the 3rd time in 2 weeks that Torts has approached OT this way and lost very quickly in OT. How many times does he have to see this happen? The Flyers got 6 points in this 7 game stretch against top teams. They could have got up to 9 points with simply changing the approach in OT. That is what is frustrating here. A coach with the experience of Torts should know when to make adjustments and change his approach when the results are not there.
- jd250

If you don't realize why he does that, then you don't understand Tortorella. You never have. Myself and others have repeatedly attempted to educate on the faults of Tortorella and why he is not the right coach for the future of this team. He over reliance to a fault of grinders and checkers. Favoring the defensive side of the puck over skill is one reason why.

Everyone with the exception of you and maybe one other poster knew that Couturier was banged up. All the while you were saying he was cooked. Even when he was playing solidly in the first half. Just another example.
- MJL

I could be totally wrong but recently, the Torts stuff almost makes me feel like he already has one foot out the door. Is he already trying to get himself ready for a FO job?

Just some of the stuff recently is not sitting right with me. Not saying he doesn't want to win but there just seems to be some stuff that is off

Bill, your bias towards the coach is getting worse. Even when Torts worked in the media he wasn't media friendly. He should be judged on what he getting achieved on the ice, not post game interviews. And in that regard Torts deserves an A+.

Its an 82 games schedule and guys get tired, injured and worn down. If a Sixer sat out, no one cares because its time management. Hockey players are tougher than basketball players and don't want to sit out, but sometimes they need someone to make the correct decision for them, for the best interest in the team.

Please don't go Toronto media on us.

I do agree with you on the overtime....3 in a row and we barely touched the puck. The most important instance in OT is the faceoff.
- kennygarcon

He was and as I stated and Briere confirmed, he was clearly hurt with multiple injuries.
- jd250

He wasn't when you started saying it. You have no clue. Everyone but you knew what was going on

Yes most have been saying this for a long time with NO data to back it up. Torts has been great with the media until recently. Couts was averaging over 18 minutes a game earlier in the season. Torts has brought a lot of good things to the Flyers that most of you would not even acknowledge. Thus, I believe the criticisms of Torts last year and this year were unwarranted. I am not opposed to criticizing Torts, just as long as there is good reason to do so. Now there is good reason to criticize Torts IMO.
- jd250

But you never said he was hurt like most of us. You said he looked "cooked."

I could be totally wrong but recently, the Torts stuff almost makes me feel like he already has one foot out the door. Is he already trying to get himself ready for a FO job?

Just some of the stuff recently is not sitting right with me. Not saying he doesn't want to win but there just seems to be some stuff that is off
- J35Bacher

I mentioned this earlier as well. At this point just hand the reigns over to Shaw.

Honestly, Tort's shouldn't win based on his recent behavior. It's a shame because Torts has done a lot of good things for the Flyers, but he is leaking credibility by the boatload right now.
- jd250

Trying now to save face. You see a lifeline.

Honestly, Tort's shouldn't win based on his recent behavior. It's a shame because Torts has done a lot of good things for the Flyers, but he is leaking credibility by the boatload right now.
- jd250

may I suggest you evaluate both sides of what could be happening prior to your initial position.

I could be totally wrong but recently, the Torts stuff almost makes me feel like he already has one foot out the door. Is he already trying to get himself ready for a FO job?

Just some of the stuff recently is not sitting right with me. Not saying he doesn't want to win but there just seems to be some stuff that is off
- J35Bacher

I wonder that as well….sometimes guys get burnt out. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this year is Torts last.
I agree with Bill on his analysis of the coach as well. I’m not sure why some argue black or white….you can think a guy has done a good job over all and at the same time be critical of things he does. It’s called being objective.

If you don't realize why he does that, then you don't understand Tortorella. You never have. Myself and others have repeatedly attempted to educate on the faults of Tortorella and why he is not the right coach for the future of this team. He over reliance to a fault of grinders and checkers. Favoring the defensive side of the puck over skill is one reason why.
- MJL

And it isn't even the right ones. If he wanted to go with a defensive unit he could have easily went with Laughton/Couturier, Konecny and Sanheim. Then follow with Frost, Tippett and York.

Couturier, Laughton, Konecny, Tippett, Frost, Forester, Farabee should all see the ice prior to Cates and Poehling in an OT situation.

Just my feeling