Getting the most out of an average at best team means what? What was accomplished. Torts was/is not the correct coach for where the flyers are at.

Would be interested in seeing in Toronto or the oilers for quick short term boost for a couple seasons.

Has to be a reason only the flyers looked into hiring him....
- hello it's me 2050

No one else wanted him and the problems he brings.

No one else wanted him and the problems he brings.
- TheFreak

Didn't the Flyers hire an outside advisory board to assist with the coaching search?

It truly is and it's almost weird. Also, taking time to post about it. If I hated the team that much, I'd stop watching and pick another team/just move on.
- Hextall271

Interesting. I find your take, and that of many others here, like Landros2 et al, and those who say things like "Rome was not built in a day" and "baby steps" etc even more weird (as it is so very obvious that statistically speaking, the odds of the path we are on leading to eventual success are stupendously small).

Didn't the Flyers hire an outside advisory board to assist with the coaching search?
- mickel25

Correct, it was lead by Billy King (Sixers old GM) and his firm.

Didn't the Flyers hire an outside advisory board to assist with the coaching search?
- mickel25

Several reasons this was done and I won’t list them here or I’d get banned.

Spot on.
- Flyfly

That’s the reason I rail on this team. Because what they SHOULD be doing they aren’t. And hearing torts after game tirade is alarming.

We know that the players 30 and above or the middling plugs don’t matter.

What matters is what the younger players are doing and how they handle the on game situations for growth. Except they haven’t been USED that way at all whole season by torts so how can he judge? Bee is soft? Frost is soft? Etc etc. how do you know? You throw out cates and poehling every damn ot. And nd in lineup while brink sits or frost etc etc.

How are you “learning” about who can handle what? Torts assessment means nothing

I don’t like Torts and all of my comments have been consistent with this. BUT, he has done a fine job this season with the goal of squeezing blood from a stone. If they don’t make the PO though, they should consider canning him. It isn’t in the rebuilds best interest to keep him IMHO. How they have played recently and not making the POs would showing the players have tuned him out and his pedal to the metal is not the right fit for the current NHL/this team.
- coffee junkie

They aren’t going to fire a hall of fame coach when the end of the contract is within eyesight

remember - folks who say he hasn’t won anything a while - there are only 14 coaches in the history of the NHL that have won 2 or more cups. Think about that.

I myself wouldn't give the flyers the salt off a pretzel at this point.

family had season tickets from 83 up until a few years ago.
- hello it's me 2050

Lol “family”…

We are either counting your parents who paid for those season tickets in the past or the blow up doll you bring to games currently

They aren’t going to fire a hall of fame coach when the end of the contract is within eyesight

remember - folks who say he hasn’t won anything a while - there are only 14 coaches in the history of the NHL that have won 2 or more cups. Think about that.
- anti-lame

Right...so the chances of him winning a second cup is almost slim to none...another reason, if you can call it that, to not have hired Torts.

no fn doubt.
- hello it's me 2050

Are you responding to your alt?

The 2019-20 season ended abruptly with teams having played an uneven number of games and I think (not certain) that the NHL had to use points percentage to set the playoff teams.
- Stanley Cup

Is the NHL better off now than it was four years ago?

Right...so the chances of him winning a second cup is almost slim to none...another reason, if you can call it that, to not have hired Torts.
- TheFreak

But he hasn’t won anything since his first cup so he’s bad

Interesting. I find your take, and that of many others here, like Landros2 et al, and those who say things like "Rome was not built in a day" and "baby steps" etc even more weird (as it is so very obvious that statistically speaking, the odds of the path we are on leading to eventual success are stupendously small).
- PT21

The new regime hasn’t even been in power for one full year. If we are speaking of odds, the only part that is a low percentage of finding on the path they are on this year, ie not tanking, is a #1 center. But that is on the assumption that they don’t have a terrible year in the next few. The everything sucks crowd is making the same assumptions on the future as the baby step crowd as none of us know what will happen.

I don't hate players .. I have a ton of respect for players. I call it like I see it. When certain players play well I say it, and when they don't I say that too.
- jd250

Sure, buddy. I bet you kicked your dog when Sanheim when end to end for a highlight reel goal, and again when Frost tied it with 10 seconds left.

Lol “family”…

We are either counting your parents who paid for those season tickets in the past or the blow up doll you bring to games currently
- anti-lame

cold beer here

did you follow in daddy vendor footsteps?

Caps are +115 against buffalo o/u 6.5
Sounds like easy money

Didn't the Flyers hire an outside advisory board to assist with the coaching search?
- mickel25

wasnt torts a client or something to the firm that was hired?

Are you responding to your alt?
- anti-lame

did your dad start out a popcorn or hot dog vendor? what was the career vending path?

Caps are +115 against buffalo o/u 6.5
Sounds like easy money
- Bob Habib

And this is why Vegas makes money year in and year out

But he hasn’t won anything since his first cup so he’s bad
- anti-lame

I wouldn't say he's a bad coach. He won a Stanley Cup so he is better than me at it. However, he hasn't changed with the times, his temper and the way he deals with people are a problem, and his old school ways aren't really relevant anymore. He seems to thrive in a negative environment, whereas most desire a positive workplace. He has his ceiling, and I don't think it is a Stanley Cup at this point, so I think we are kind of wasting our time having him as the coach.

This doesn't make him a bad coach, just not the right coach for the Flyers at this point.

did your dad start out a popcorn or hot dog vendor? what was the career vending path?
- hello it's me 2050

You gotta work on your chirps bud. Doesn’t sound like you read many books.

How’s retirement?

I don't hate players .. I have a ton of respect for players. I call it like I see it. When certain players play well I say it, and when they don't I say that too.
- jd250

It's not hate but you're simply not objective. You scapegoat players you don't like. When you combine that with your lack of hockey knowledge. It's not a good mix.

I wouldn't say he's a bad coach. He won a Stanley Cup so he is better than me at it. However, he hasn't changed with the times, his temper and the way he deals with people are a problem, and his old school ways aren't really relevant anymore. He seems to thrive in a negative environment, whereas most desire a positive workplace. He has his ceiling, and I don't think it is a Stanley Cup at this point, so I think we are kind of wasting our time having him as the coach.

This doesn't make him a bad coach, just not the right coach for the Flyers at this point.
- TheFreak

A “comfortable, positive environment” is what we’ve watched for at least the last decade.

Most people here seem to have accepted that you need superstars to win. But there still seems to be some confusion about the timeline of which of the two is optimal:

1. Draft and develop and then get the stud 1c/1d down the line (trade/fa/draft). This is the "rebuilding" path we seem to be on. Supplementary pieces first.

Or

2. Get the star 1c/1d/both first and then the supplementary pieces.

The evidence seems overwhelmingly in one direction in the past 20 years or so. I could be wrong about some of the details below (correct me if so ...I did very casual 'research' just now)

Pens: Before Gonchar, Kunitz, JStaal, Kessel, Guentzel etc etc there was Crosby Malkin and Letang.
Kings: Before Carter, Richards, JWilliams, Scuderi, Voynov, Quick etc. there was Kopitar.
Hawks: no one who played a significant role predated Keith.
Boston: No one who played a significant role predated Chara
Blues: No one who played a significant role predated Pietro
Bolts: Stamkos, Hedman were there before others in the cup winning roster (anyone significant at least)
Wings: Lidstrom
Canes: Brindamour before anyone significant (caveat. ERic Staal had a sensational season but Rod played at least 5 more mins on average so a case can be made that Brindy was the 1c on that team).


The only exceptions I could find were Selanne for the 06-07 Ducks and Ovechkin for the 17-18 Caps. They predated almost everyone of note. But those are generational and all-time great players respectively.

It's not hate but you're simply not objective. You scapegoat players you don't like. When you combine that with your lack of hockey knowledge. It's not a good mix.
- MJL

So do you and Bill. You disparage players like Tippett and Cates and Poehling in order to make some point about Frost in comparison which is bush league.

We all watched Frost the other night. Stop telling us what we saw with our own eyes.