I think you misunderstood. When he said the Torts wall he was referring to this season specifically. They are just running out of gas after playing so called playoff hockey since October.
- Phillywhiteout

That was predicted by myself and numerous other posters. Moving forward, if Tortorella stays as the coach, how does that change? Is Tortorella going to change?

no need. he is a fraud.
- hello it's me 2050

Well, I would latch it anyway, because he didn't sound like a coach that blames everyone else but himself. He blamed himself a few times in today's presser. But if you don't believe him, you don't believe him.

Something Torts did talk about today certainly connected with my own experience playing sports coaching sports. Torts mentioned he has not done a good enough job getting the players to believe they belong in this position, and that his job is to get them to forget about where they were picked to start the season and focus entirely on where they are now, and to not let this opportunity slip by them. I think this is sound advice and something I recently coached my son to do before he played a deciding set. I told him I believed he belonged on that court against that player, and that everyone watching believed it also. But in the end it didn't matter what I or the people watching believed, what only mattered is what my son believed. And it worked because he won the match going away. I think the same holds true with the Flyers right now. They have to put aside the noise and the pre-season predictions, embrace where they are right now and play balls to the wall the rest of the way. And whatever happens, happens. But at least they know they gave it their best with 100% belief that they belonged in the group of teams that are fighting for a playoff spot.

- Flyfly

Same energy as that comment the other night 'He has as many cups as TK'

Yes, you did argue that point. Over and over. Ignoring the reality of how the NHL standings are compiled. As usual, you don't even know your own comments.




Stating that you don't consider them when evaluating whether a team is above .500 is the same as saying they don't count!


What you considered, is fantasy. It's not real. It's acting like a child in make believe land. It's not adult and it's certainly not intelligent. It's not intelligent to say that judging a team the way the entire hockey universe judges a team is stupid. You need to grow up.
- MJL

love cliff. more intelligent conversation you brag about adding every day

Rupp on Torts again this morning. Mentioned that Torts is absolutely the best coach at getting the most out of his roster, but says it comes at a price. He thinks the Flyers may have hit the Torts wall. Also, rumors circulating that the Wings will fire their coach if they miss the playoffs and that they will go hard after Berube.
- Phillywhiteout

this is what most of us have argued. he can squeeze blood from a stone for sure but players can only play at that level for so long.

Only a person with a child like intellect would ignore a significant percentage of games that have been actually played from the equation in evaluating a team. Claiming that they don't count because it's not real hockey.
- MJL

I never said they don't count child ... I said I don't consider them when evaluating a team.

Not an appropriate comment.
- MJL

stfu as who are you to say anything when all you do is post insults all day. you pos.

Well, I would latch it anyway, because he didn't sound like a coach that blames everyone else but himself. He blamed himself a few times in today's presser. But if you don't believe him, you don't believe him.

Something Torts did talk about today certainly connected with my own experience playing sports coaching sports. Torts mentioned he has not done a good enough job getting the players to believe they belong in this position, and that his job is to get them to forget about where they were picked to start the season and focus entirely on where they are now, and to not let this opportunity slip by them. I think this is sound advice and something I recently coached my son to do before he played a deciding set. I told him I believed he belonged on that court against that player, and that everyone watching believed it also. But in the end it didn't matter what I or the people watching believed, what only mattered is what my son believed. And it worked because he won the match going away. I think the same holds true with the Flyers right now. They have to put aside the noise and the pre-season predictions, embrace where they are right now and play balls to the wall the rest of the way. And whatever happens, happens. But at least they know they gave it their best with 100% belief that they belonged in the group of teams that are fighting for a playoff spot.
- jd250

You're being manipulated again. The current situation with the Flyers has nothing to do with the players on the team not believing they belong in the position they're in. It has to do with the advantages the Flyers had for most of the season, is slipping away. The teams energy reserves are depleted and other teams are ramping up their game and their urgency.

That was predicted by myself and numerous other posters. Moving forward, if Tortorella stays as the coach, how does that change? Is Tortorella going to change?
- MJL

sniffing your own ass again. takes real genius to see what inevitably would happen.

Agreed I would be looking at OHL, AHL, NCAA, and possible a Swedish coach.

Doing the same ole thing with a retread is not a rebuild, you need to search for a coach who can develop players and motivate at the same time which our current staff isn't doing.

I would also make sure i get a PP coach in here worth a damn.

How many times can you roll of crap and expect anything but crap. They have a hard time at zone entries on the PP which is just bad coaching to me, and if they get set up the plays looked rushed almost nervous at times. I would try a different setup of players starting with one player who's only job is to front the goalie, because I think a lot of PP our struggles are because goalies have good looks when we take shoots.
- Flyerloon

Definitely need a guy who understands the offensive side of the game.

Torts admits that he doesn't and it's painfully obvious.

Dude can't make it out of the 3rd round.
- Richard_wilderness

Flyers can't GET to the 3rd round.

The cult leader has spoken and the cult members are ready to run through a wall. Right after they are done yelling “hit sumbudy!” and “do somethin wit it!” from the upper bowl.

Outside of here they loved Torts’ double down this morning and are convinced we are winning a cup with him.

I never said they don't count child ... I said I don't consider them when evaluating a team.
- jd250

Your child like intellect doesn't grasp that not considering them is the same thing as them not counting. If they're absent from your evaluation, then they don't count.

See: Phillywhiteout's post above
- Tomahawk

Just stating Brindy has not won a thing in this league and probably will not win this year either. Like him or not, or think he's special or not, Berube got players over the finish line, so clearly he did something right. In the end, I don't think Berube will be coaching the Flyers anytime soon.

Well, I would latch it anyway, because he didn't sound like a coach that blames everyone else but himself. He blamed himself a few times in today's presser. But if you don't believe him, you don't believe him.

Something Torts did talk about today certainly connected with my own experience playing sports coaching sports. Torts mentioned he has not done a good enough job getting the players to believe they belong in this position, and that his job is to get them to forget about where they were picked to start the season and focus entirely on where they are now, and to not let this opportunity slip by them. I think this is sound advice and something I recently coached my son to do before he played a deciding set. I told him I believed he belonged on that court against that player, and that everyone watching believed it also. But in the end it didn't matter what I or the people watching believed, what only mattered is what my son believed. And it worked because he won the match going away. I think the same holds true with the Flyers right now. They have to put aside the noise and the pre-season predictions, embrace where they are right now and play balls to the wall the rest of the way. And whatever happens, happens. But at least they know they gave it their best with 100% belief that they belonged in the group of teams that are fighting for a playoff spot.
- jd250

your not helping yourself....

lest me ask you something you think they flyers are where they are more because of the coaching job torts has done or because many other teams crapped the bed?

you think the flyers will be better than nj sabres sens and wings next year?

Just stating Brindy has not won a thing in this league and probably will not win this year either. Like him or not, or think he's special or not, Berube got players over the finish line, so clearly he did something right. In the end, I don't think Berube will be coaching the Flyers anytime soon.
- jd250

Brind'Amour is one of the top 5 coaches in the league.

Brind'Amour is one of the top 5 coaches in the league.
- MJL

based on what? what is the criteria? how often do you watch Carolina?

Your child like intellect doesn't grasp that not considering them is the same thing as them not counting. If they're absent from your evaluation, then they don't count.
- MJL

Why would any intelligent hockey person (which you are not) consider evaluating a team based on the number of shootout wins or losses they have, or evaluate the team based on whether they win 3 on 3 OTs. What possible information could one gleam from those results? Does 3 on 3 ever happen in a real NHL game? Nope. The lowest you can go is 4 on 3 if there is a power play. There are 1312 games in an NHL season and so far there have been 40 penalty shots, which means only 3% of the games have penalty shots and only 33% or about 15 goals are scored on those shots. So why would anyone care about these statistics. They mean NOTHING when evaluating a team.

Just stating Brindy has not won a thing in this league and probably will not win this year either. Like him or not, or think he's special or not, Berube got players over the finish line, so clearly he did something right. In the end, I don't think Berube will be coaching the Flyers anytime soon.
- jd250

That's the kind of rationale that keeps dudes like Carlyle, Torts and Crawford employed. Won once on the back of incredible talent and/or luck... but we'll just ignore the rest of the time when they came nowhere close, or worse completely melted down.

I don't care if a guy's won before or not. All I care about is whether a coach is a good fit for a rebuilding team and if that coach understands where the game is and where it's headed.

based on what? what is the criteria? how often do you watch Carolina?
- hello it's me 2050

Isn't is obvious? They must be really good in OT and shootouts

That's the kind of rationale that keeps dudes like Carlyle, Torts and Crawford employed. Won once on the back of incredible talent and/or luck... but we'll just ignore the rest of the time when they came nowhere close, or worse completely melted down.

I don't care if a guy's won before or not. All I care about is whether a coach is a good fit for a rebuilding team and if that coach understands where the game is and where it's headed.
- Tomahawk

Ok, se let's talk about a rebuilding team, because I agree with you that Berube, Lavey and coaches like that are better suited for teams that are ready to take the final step. What has Brindamore done that makes you believe he is such a good development coach? Sure Carolina has some young players that have developed into really good players, like Aho and Svechnikov, but so do the Flyers with players TK, York and Foerster. In the end to me, if you want a cup, you said it above, you need incredible talent. If you have that, any competent coach will do.

Why would any intelligent hockey person (which you are not) consider evaluating a team based on the number of shootout wins or losses they have, or evaluate the team based on whether they win 3 on 3 OTs. What possible information could one gleam from those results? Does 3 on 3 ever happen in a real NHL game? Nope. The lowest you can go is 4 on 3 if there is a power play. There are 1312 games in an NHL season and so far there have been 40 penalty shots, which means only 3% of the games have penalty shots and only 33% or about 15 goals are scored on those shots. So why would anyone care about these statistics. They mean NOTHING when evaluating a team.
- jd250

Here are some things you apparently don't understand.

One, when you attempt to question another person's intelligence with a question where you display complete and utter stupidity, that goes to your credibility.

You apparently don't understand that even if an event in hockey such as a penalty shot or penalty shot goal occurs a small percentage of the time. That doesn't mean it's not part of the game and should not be considered. After all a penalty shot goal certainly counts in a game. If a team wins a game on a penalty shot goal, that certainly means something in evaluating a team. As wins and losses are certainly part of the equation when evaluating a team.

If a team loses a game in 3 on 3 OT, or in a shootout. That means that they didn't win in regulation. It means that the other team was better. That certainly means something in evaluating a team.

You may not like the rules of OT or a shootout and wish they weren't part of the NHL game but they are. Those points are critical in the standings. If the Flyers were just a little bit better in OT, they would be solidly in a playoff spot. It is real hockey and part of the sport. Whether you like it or not. Pretending it doesn't exist and not considering it is simply not intelligent.

Finally and perhaps most important. You don't seem to understand that when you attempt to assert superiority with your baseless claims of playing and coaching. As well as asininely claiming others haven't played. The validity of those comments are not going to be judged by the comment in and of itself. It's going to be judged on the content and quality of your opinions. You're opinions show that you're unintelligent and uninformed in the game of hockey. Rendering your claims as invalid.

your not helping yourself....

lest me ask you something you think they flyers are where they are more because of the coaching job torts has done or because many other teams crapped the bed?

you think the flyers will be better than nj sabres sens and wings next year?
- hello it's me 2050

I think the Flyers are where they are because they have worked hard, played through adversity and deserve to be there. Other teams like NJ may have high end talent, but the Flyers are a better team. I don't know what next year will bring for the Flyers, but one thing we should have learned this year, judging a team solely based on paper is a bad thing to do.

I think the Flyers are where they are because they have worked hard, played through adversity and deserve to be there. Other teams like NJ may have high end talent, but the Flyers are a better team. I don't know what next year will bring for the Flyers, but one thing we should have learned this year, judging a team solely based on paper is a bad thing to do.
- jd250

Teams are only judged on paper before the games are played. During the season, teams are judged on wins and losses. Including wins and losses in OT and the shootout.

Finally and perhaps most important. You don't seem to understand that when you attempt to assert superiority with your baseless claims of playing and coaching. As well as asininely claiming others haven't played. The validity of those comments are not going to be judged by the comment in and of itself. It's going to be judged on the content and quality of your opinions. You're opinions show that you're unintelligent and uninformed in the game of hockey. Rendering your claims as invalid.
- MJL

The only child that tries to assert superiority on this forum is YOU, 16+ hours a day, every day. I am not trying to do anything other that share an experience I had that happened to align with something Torts was talking about today in his presser. This is exactly what I mean when I stated earlier you think this forum is your own little fish pond and you are the big fish, and thus if anyone comes on here and tries to share an experience or a thought you get intimidated and fight back like the little girl you are. I don't need to post one darn thing to know I am superior to you. I already sleep very well at night knowing I am. Is it nap time for you yet?