I think the Flyers are where they are because they have worked hard, played through adversity and deserve to be there. Other teams like NJ may have high end talent, but the Flyers are a better team. I don't know what next year will bring for the Flyers, but one thing we should have learned this year, judging a team solely based on paper is a bad thing to do.
- jd250

so would you take the flyers roster over all 4 of those teams?

Ok, se let's talk about a rebuilding team, because I agree with you that Berube, Lavey and coaches like that are better suited for teams that are ready to take the final step. What has Brindamore done that makes you believe he is such a good development coach? Sure Carolina has some young players that have developed into really good players, like Aho and Svechnikov, but so do the Flyers with players TK, York and Foerster. In the end to me, if you want a cup, you said it above, you need incredible talent. If you have that, any competent coach will do.
- jd250

He's good because he's got all the motivational/inspirational aspects of other coaches but he's patient with young players and skilled players. He also played the game at an elite level himself before so he's not gonna nail dudes to the cross for turning the puck over in an effort to make a play, or trying for an extra pass, or failing to get the puck in deep, etc.

He understands the mindset of the offensive AND defensive player.

And he works hand in glove with their data guys to identify a myriad of ways to do things better... more effective player/game evaluations, better pre-game planning, identifying areas of the ice to exploit, potentially beneficial deployment patterns, etc.

And on top of all that he's a really swell dude that all his players love. He can get along with and earns the respect of the stars, the role players, and the misfits like TDA alike.

The only child that tries to assert superiority on this forum is YOU, 16+ hours a day, every day. I am not trying to do anything other that share an experience I had that happened to align with something Torts was talking about today in his presser. This is exactly what I mean when I stated earlier you think this forum is your own little fish pond and you are the big fish, and thus if anyone comes on here and tries to share an experience or a thought you get intimidated and fight back like the little girl you are. I don't need to post one darn thing to know I am superior to you. I already sleep very well at night knowing I am. Is it nap time for you yet?
- jd250

Your experience does not align with anything involving the Flyers. This isn't going very well for you. It never has and it's not going to change. Using common sense, if I was intimidated, I wouldn't interact.

Teams are only judged on paper before the games are played. During the season, teams are judged on wins and losses. Including wins and losses in OT and the shootout.
- MJL

simple question cliff. did you play ice hockey? if so what level was the highest you played? very curious to know.

Your experience does not align with anything involving the Flyers. This isn't going very well for you. It never has and it's not going to change. Using common sense, if I was intimidated, I wouldn't interact.
- MJL

public record

He's good because he's got all the motivational/inspirational aspects of other coaches but he's patient with young players and skilled players. He also played the game at an elite level himself before so he's not gonna nail dudes to the cross for turning the puck over in an effort to make a play, or trying for an extra pass, or failing to get the puck in deep, etc.

He understands the mindset of the offensive AND defensive player.

And he works hand in glove with their data guys to identify a myriad of ways to do things better... more effective player/game evaluations, better pre-game planning, identifying areas of the ice to exploit, potentially beneficial deployment patterns, etc.

And on top of all that he's a really swell dude that all his players love. He can get along with and earns the respect of the stars, the role players, and the misfits like TDA alike.
- Tomahawk

He is the proto-type modern day NHL coach. Advanced in systems, strategies, player development and use of data systems. As well as understanding the modern day athlete.
Not hung up on old school nonsense such as culture, leadership and standards. He is the anti-Flyer. The kind of coach that if allowed to, can change the path and future of a franchise.

Does anyone think the team has quit on torts?

He is the proto-type modern day NHL coach. Advanced in systems, strategies, player development and use of data systems. As well as understanding the modern day athlete.
Not hung up on old school nonsense such as culture, leadership and standards. He is the anti-Flyer. The kind of coach that if allowed to, can change the path and future of a franchise.
- MJL

so you just regurgitated his post with your own verbiage. good stufff cliff

based on what? what is the criteria? how often do you watch Carolina?
- hello it's me 2050

He’s had one of the strongest teams top to bottom for the past 5-6 years. I don’t think he’s done anything to make him some phenomenal coach. He’s done his job, but the lack of playoff success hurts. Would another coach go there and be drastically worse? I highly doubt it.

so you just regurgitated his post with your own verbiage. good stufff cliff
- hello it's me 2050

That post would fit 80% of the leagues coaches lol

He’s had one of the strongest teams top to bottom for the past 5-6 years. I don’t think he’s done anything to make him some phenomenal coach. He’s done his job, but the lack of playoff success hurts. Would another coach go there and be drastically worse? I highly doubt it.
- ClaudeFather

maybe a team like that needs torts to get them over the hump....

https://twitter.com/JayOnSC/status/1775404925285011528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1775404925285011528%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

solid listen
- hello it's me 2050

100% truth

He is the proto-type modern day NHL coach. Advanced in systems, strategies, player development and use of data systems. As well as understanding the modern day athlete.
Not hung up on old school nonsense such as culture, leadership and standards. He is the anti-Flyer. The kind of coach that if allowed to, can change the path and future of a franchise.
- MJL

I mean he did change the culture there but he didn't have to print a bunch of banners and beat a bunch of dead horses to make it happen. He got his players to buy in every step of the way by motivating them, placing trust in them, leading by example and not losing respect by being an bumhole.

He’s had one of the strongest teams top to bottom for the past 5-6 years. I don’t think he’s done anything to make him some phenomenal coach. He’s done his job, but the lack of playoff success hurts. Would another coach go there and be drastically worse? I highly doubt it.
- ClaudeFather

Look at their roster... they actually aren't nearly as talented as the other top clubs in the East. Yet they're always going deep in the POs.

All I said is at the END of the season, the only thing that matters is points SINCE each team will have played the same number of games, therefore point percentage is irrelevant.
- jd250

It's not irrelevant. At the end of the season rankings by Points and P% give you the same results. So it's just as relevant as total points.

He's good because he's got all the motivational/inspirational aspects of other coaches but he's patient with young players and skilled players. He also played the game at an elite level himself before so he's not gonna nail dudes to the cross for turning the puck over in an effort to make a play, or trying for an extra pass, or failing to get the puck in deep, etc.

He understands the mindset of the offensive AND defensive player.

And he works hand in glove with their data guys to identify a myriad of ways to do things better... more effective player/game evaluations, better pre-game planning, identifying areas of the ice to exploit, potentially beneficial deployment patterns, etc.

And on top of all that he's a really swell dude that all his players love. He can get along with and earns the respect of the stars, the role players, and the misfits like TDA alike.
- Tomahawk

And hasn’t been extended and might not be without more playoff success. There has been whispers down there that they might want a new voice in the room to get them over the hump proving that all coaches get replaced eventually and all that stuff you said is completely meaningless because coaching is largely meaningless in the NHL. Stanley cups are won with talent. A coach can give a minor bump either way but that’s it.

Look at their roster... they actually aren't nearly as talented as the other top clubs in the East. Yet they're always going deep in the POs.
- Tomahawk

That’s just stupid. They have a ton of talent in Jarvis Aho necas teuro Svech. Along with decent depth guys like staal and fast. And an extremely strong group at the back end. Goaltending is very average. Stop sniffing his rear end, they’ve had a very strong group for a long time now.

I mean he did change the culture there but he didn't have to print a bunch of banners and beat a bunch of dead horses to make it happen. He got his players to buy in every step of the way by motivating them, placing trust in them, leading by example and not losing respect by being an bumhole.
- Tomahawk

He changed the way they play in connection with Eric Tulsky. I don't see that as culture. To me the modern NHL game is about speed, skill and strategy. Using all the tools available to identify, coach and develop players and the strategies used in games. Not about just making a bunch of speeches, calling your team the gold standard of the NHL and laying claim to a mythical and outdated standard.

maybe a team like that needs torts to get them over the hump....
- hello it's me 2050

Torts hasn't got a team since over the hump he had a roster with multiple hall of famers in the last pre-cap season.

That’s just stupid. They have a ton of talent in Jarvis Aho necas teuro Svech. Along with decent depth guys like staal and fast. And an extremely strong group at the back end. Goaltending is very average. Stop sniffing his rear end, they’ve had a very strong group for a long time now.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, that's why they have the league's 3rd best record since he became coach of Carolina. The Flyers are 21st in that time.

Carolina also have 32 playoff game wins under Rod. The Flyers have 10.

Yeah, that's why they have the league's 3rd best record since he became coach of Carolina. The Flyers are 21st in that time.

Carolina also have 32 playoff game wins under Rod. The Flyers have 10.
- Feanor

The flyers suck man. What’s your point. Rod isn’t gods gift. He’s done a good job but they also have a strong team

The flyers suck man. What’s your point. Rod isn’t gods gift. He’s done a good job but they also have a strong team
- ClaudeFather

Brind'Amour is a big part of why they have a strong team.

Brind'Amour is a big part of why they have a strong team.
- MJL

A big part? What exactly has he done Cliff? Install accountability? Did he morph Aho into the player he is today?

That’s just stupid. They have a ton of talent in Jarvis Aho necas teuro Svech. Along with decent depth guys like staal and fast. And an extremely strong group at the back end. Goaltending is very average. Stop sniffing his rear end, they’ve had a very strong group for a long time now.
- ClaudeFather

If you think any of their players are anywhere near Matthews, Kuch, Point, Stamkos, Vasy, Hedman, Pasta, Crosby, Bergeron, Shesterkin, McAvoy, Panarin, Marner, Tkachuk, etc... I don't know what to tell you.

They aren't a team that's tanked and is full of elite talent. They're a bunch of diamonds in the rough and overlooked castoffs.

Why would any intelligent hockey person (which you are not) consider evaluating a team based on the number of shootout wins or losses they have, or evaluate the team based on whether they win 3 on 3 OTs. What possible information could one gleam from those results? Does 3 on 3 ever happen in a real NHL game? Nope. The lowest you can go is 4 on 3 if there is a power play. There are 1312 games in an NHL season and so far there have been 40 penalty shots, which means only 3% of the games have penalty shots and only 33% or about 15 goals are scored on those shots. So why would anyone care about these statistics. They mean NOTHING when evaluating a team.
- jd250

Right if there is a PP. But OT 3 on 3 is not a PP situation, and 3 on 3 hockey is possible in a regular game, doesn't happen very often, but it has happened.