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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 7 @ 9:38 AM ET
I’m not too crazy about the Tippett contract either
- Dkos


Im ok as long they trade konecny. His game needs to grow. Right now he’s kind of a one trick pony
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 7 @ 9:38 AM ET
- they didnt trade Laughton because they didn't want to. it is that simple.

- so they gonna change the culture again this summer? as the coach/gm said there ae players not bringing it or whatever it was he said. Maybe if they traded all the core guys ( tk Laughton sanheim and wishful thinking ex selke) who have been here and accept losing that culture will change. losing is all they know.

- correct we don't know what danny boy will do. I am pretty confident it will be the sam eold BS.

- hello it's me 2050


DB said he wasn’t trading Laughton unless he got blown away on another. So what offers did he have if any for Laughton? As I said if it’s basically a trade for the sake of trading then what purpose does that serve.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:38 AM ET
I think the culture is a real thing. It has improved this year.

I think some of the younger guys have taken steps. I now see some players whom you can move forward with.

I see a team that until game 70 was in pretty much 95% of games and made it easier to tune in every night.

I see DB still sitting at the cross roads and I don’t know why? It’s apparent what they should do. They have the buy in from the fane base. It doesn’t have to be complete tear down. They do have some pieces that are worthy developing.

This summer is now huge. They can’t afford any more Cutter Gauthier scenarios…not like they could afford it to begin with…it still is a massive failure for this franchise and may still set them back.

I won’t toot DBs horn…but I also think he deserves some time. If he comes out and says there won’t be any changes or it’s going to be a quiet summer, then i think we’ll have our answer about the quality of GM we actually have.

- landros 2


The gauthier situation is likely the biggest fail this year. I really am not seeing much from
Drysdale so far and I worry about injuries with him. This team was also never going to be a bottom five team capable of getting a true star player. If the idea is to complete a full tear down so be it but then I’d say anyone on the roster and any prospects we have would be in play to ensure top picks over the next 5 to 10 years.

Personally, I don’t mind how db has approached this. He could have held on to Walker but didn’t and got a decent return. He’s got two firsts this and next year and to me the key is to hit on those. All the younger players should get big ice time and vets like Atkinson staal should never see the ice.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:38 AM ET
I liked his draft.
I liked that he has added some decent draft capital.
I liked the Provorov trade if only because they brought in Sean Walker.
I may be in the minority…but I really like the Hathaway signing.

- landros 2

after MM we shall see in a few years. Not a fan of taking back to back goalies. Especially the 1st one. IMO he will never be an nhl goalie. Could have taken Fowler without trading up who I think will be an nhl goalie.

Ivan was a solid trade. should have got more imo for taking back cal for 2 years. nothing to really female dog about i suppose.

there was no need for GH for where the flyers are at. Solid player sure. Should have traded him as well at the deadline as his types always get a overpayment.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:40 AM ET
DB said he wasn’t trading Laughton unless he got blown away on another. So what offers did he have if any for Laughton? As I said if it’s basically a trade for the sake of trading then what purpose does that serve.
- bird_dog_pa

blown away =not interested in trading. no team is going to blow you away for laughton.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:40 AM ET
just curious how was what he said racism?
- hello it's me 2050


What’s a worse insult than saying a man is attracted to other men? Saying he’s attracted to black men. Homosexuals are awful is homophobia. Black homosexuals are even worse is homophobia and racism. Hope this explanation helps.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 7 @ 9:40 AM ET
after MM we shall see in a few years. Not a fan of taking back to back goalies. Especially the 1st one. IMO he will never be an nhl goalie. Could have taken Fowler without trading up who I think will be an nhl goalie.

Ivan was a solid trade. should have got more imo for taking back cal for 2 years. nothing to really female dog about i suppose.

there was no need for GH for where the flyers are at. Solid player sure. Should have traded him as well at the deadline as his types always get a overpayment.

- hello it's me 2050
what were you gonna get for GH? A third round pick tops?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:41 AM ET
The gauthier situation is likely the biggest fail this year. I really am not seeing much from
Drysdale so far and I worry about injuries with him. This team was also never going to be a bottom five team capable of getting a true star player. If the idea is to complete a full tear down so be it but then I’d say anyone on the roster and any prospects we have would be in play to ensure top picks over the next 5 to 10 years.

Personally, I don’t mind how db has approached this. He could have held on to Walker but didn’t and got a decent return. He’s got two firsts this and next year and to me the key is to hit on those. All the younger players should get big ice time and vets like Atkinson staal should never see the ice.

- Hextall271

yep and has the potential to really come back and kill this team. like the Patrick draft.

remember when "jonesy" said cutters value will never be higher after the world juniors. what a shock he was wrong.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
Racism and homophobia first thing on a beautiful Sunday morning. Sweet.
- Dkos
Oh STFU!! That guy and I have a long standing hate for each other. It has nothing to do with either snowflake. It's in relation to him being a Sixas fan and trumpeting them on here. Just stop!!
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:42 AM ET
Im ok as long they trade konecny. His game needs to grow. Right now he’s kind of a one trick pony
- Just5


I feel like he got 8 years just because he scored a couple of highlight reel goals right before he got the new contract.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:43 AM ET
what were you gonna get for GH? A third round pick tops?
- Phillywhiteout

then you take the 3rd rd pick as that is what a rebuilding team does. what does keeping him accomplish? My bad he helps with the culture and the "room".
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:44 AM ET
What’s a worse insult than saying a man is attracted to other men? Saying he’s attracted to black men. Homosexuals are awful is homophobia. Black homosexuals are even worse is homophobia and racism. Hope this explanation helps.
- Dkos

no it doesn't help in any way as nothing in his post was racist in any way.

why is that and insult in 2024?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:45 AM ET
after MM we shall see in a few years. Not a fan of taking back to back goalies. Especially the 1st one. IMO he will never be an nhl goalie. Could have taken Fowler without trading up who I think will be an nhl goalie.

Ivan was a solid trade. should have got more imo for taking back cal for 2 years. nothing to really female dog about i suppose.

there was no need for GH for where the flyers are at. Solid player sure. Should have traded him as well at the deadline as his types always get a overpayment.

- hello it's me 2050


For the way that Torts wants this team to play…you need guys like Seeler and Hathaway. They do have some intangibles that aren’t as easy to find as you say. Now should they be major pieces? Of course not…never. But I think they are necessary.
Those aren’t the guys I’m worried about moving forward.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 7 @ 9:46 AM ET
then you take the 3rd rd pick as that is what a rebuilding team does. what does keeping him accomplish? My bad he helps with the culture and the "room".
- hello it's me 2050
They were taking a run at the playoffs and he is the kind of player you want in that scenario. You can say it's wrong, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over a 3rd round pick that may have actually been a 4th rounder in reality. Of course, spending a 4th rounder for a washed up defender like Johnson pisses me off. Should have used it for a goalie. With NHL goaltending this team is probably in the playoffs.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:47 AM ET
yep and has the potential to really come back and kill this team. like the Patrick draft.

remember when "jonesy" said cutters value will never be higher after the world juniors. what a shock he was wrong.

- hello it's me 2050


The biggest issue is that he is exactly the type of player we need. High end top six player. We could use several of them. With our luck, he’ll become the next Crosby. Sometimes it’s quite depressing to be a flyers fan.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 7 @ 9:47 AM ET
For the way that Torts wants this team to play…you need guys like Seeler and Hathaway. They do have some intangibles that aren’t as easy to find as you say. Now should they be major pieces? Of course not…never. But I think they are necessary.
Those aren’t the guys I’m worried about moving forward.

- landros 2

landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:48 AM ET
yep and has the potential to really come back and kill this team. like the Patrick draft.

remember when "jonesy" said cutters value will never be higher after the world juniors. what a shock he was wrong.

- hello it's me 2050


I agree…I said it at the time. I still say it. I wouldn’t have trade him. I would have called his bluff for another full season.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:48 AM ET
For the way that Torts wants this team to play…you need guys like Seeler and Hathaway. They do have some intangibles that aren’t as easy to find as you say. Now should they be major pieces? Of course not…never. But I think they are necessary.
Those aren’t the guys I’m worried about moving forward.

- landros 2

both are overpaid. flyers never win at the margins. That is the main issue. Also shows who is running this show at the nhl level.

at the end of the day they are small potatoes. however those small potatoes add up. How hard is it to develop your own 4th line and bottom pair? to be able to insert them to your lineup every few years so you don't have to overpay? for the flyers very.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
I agree…I said it at the time. I still say it. I wouldn’t have trade him. I would have called his bluff for another full season.
- landros 2

agree. they imo were intent on finding a RHD no matter what. tunnel vision.

plus you keep him to see if cooler heads prevail after his college season. if not then you move him at the draft.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
To be fair until two weeks ago he was in the conversation. But it’s also fair to point out that any award is based on the whole season. The excuses will fly if the Free fall lasts another couple of games, but for those who watched every game we simply know they just don’t have the talent to compete unless they play that Torts game and are committed.
They will get close and I’m sure the temptation will be to roll it all back suggest they took major steps and by doing so not addressing the root problem. They don’t have enough talent.

- landros 2

Stop with your pragmatism haha

I never bought into the JA T winning talk, consideration sure. The factors that have lead to the positive attributes to the season are also the same that have led to the freefall. JORTS methodology hasnt changed and his response was to double down. Add in his lack of accountability and his persona, in general, he deserves to be lambasted.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 4/6/24 vs CBJ; Flyers-BUF Wrap, Phantoms Update
- bmeltzer


Ball less
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
no it doesn't help in any way as nothing in his post was racist in any way.

why is that and insult in 2024?

- hello it's me 2050


You got me. I agree we should be past that kind of stuff by now.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 7 @ 9:51 AM ET
after MM we shall see in a few years. Not a fan of taking back to back goalies. Especially the 1st one. IMO he will never be an nhl goalie. Could have taken Fowler without trading up who I think will be an nhl goalie.

Ivan was a solid trade. should have got more imo for taking back cal for 2 years. nothing to really female dog about i suppose.

there was no need for GH for where the flyers are at. Solid player sure. Should have traded him as well at the deadline as his types always get a overpayment.

- hello it's me 2050


Goalies are becoming the RB’s of the nhl. Enough drafting of goalies
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:51 AM ET
They were taking a run at the playoffs and he is the kind of player you want in that scenario. You can say it's wrong, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over a 3rd round pick that may have actually been a 4th rounder in reality. Of course, spending a 4th rounder for a washed up defender like Johnson pisses me off. Should have used it for a goalie. With NHL goaltending this team is probably in the playoffs.
- Phillywhiteout

yep and shows the flyers have no long term vision or plan.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 7 @ 9:52 AM ET
Stop with your pragmatism haha

I never bought into the JA T winning talk, consideration sure. The factors that have lead to the positive attributes to the season are also the same that have led to the freefall. JORTS methodology has changed and his response was to double down. Add in his lack of accountability and his persona, in general, he deserves to be lambasted.

- THE BLACK HAND

torts got all the credit when they were "winning". so he should get the blame no?
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