they should hire a vet coach to help, and tell him listen grandpa, you're in charge of the defensive system, Martin will take care of the offense.
- fidopro

That’s a great scenario.

But I don’t see a veteran French coach not trying to run the whole show.
















*runs*

good teams score more goals and give away less, water is wet.... and?
- Pat1993

That's what we've been trying to tell you ... -53 goals differential means we need to fix our defensive play big time. Our 5 on 5 defensive play sucks.

Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a wall.

#PatGotFree
- Mashadar

also apparently #PatDoesn’tKnowpoopAboutHockey

That's what we've been trying to tell you ... -53 goals differential means we need to fix our defensive play big time. Our 5 on 5 defensive play sucks.

Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a wall.
- Garfield512

what I'm saying is that stat is only pointing at something that is already very obvious, doesn't tell you anything more. that's it.

tabarnak

I can have a casual conversation as long as the other side is not intellectually dishonest.

The stats are (frank)ing OBVIOUS, the +/- is one of the factors in what makes a playoff team or not. If you can't see that then I'll consider you're just (frank)ing with me or you just don't know much about hockey.
- Garfield512

Plus / Minus is a gauge, but not really fully indicative.

Teams with losing records are likely to have scored less goals than allowed. But that does not necessarily point towards bad defence or bad offence.

If you win 50 games by 1 goal and lose 32 games by 3 goals, you are net negative goals, but have 100 points.

Are they a bad team?

Clearly indicative of a potential problem, but not enough to point the finger on that stat alone.

ALSO I AM AGREEING WITH PAT AND I THINK I JUST DIED A LITTLE INSIDE!

So is Mailloux better than Hutson considering that he gave an interview in French?

Plus / Minus is a gauge, but not really fully indicative.

Teams with losing records are likely to have scored less goals than allowed. But that does not necessarily point towards bad defence or bad offence.

If you win 50 games by 1 goal and lose 32 games by 3 goals, you are net negative goals, but have 100 points.

Are they a bad team?

Clearly indicative of a potential problem, but not enough to point the finger on that stat alone.

ALSO I AM AGREEING WITH PAT AND I THINK I JUST DIED A LITTLE INSIDE!
- Mashadar

what I'm saying is that stat is only pointing at something that is already very obvious, doesn't tell you anything more. that's it.

tabarnak
- Pat1993

... what's obvious is which teams made the playoffs and those who didn't.

Hint: they have a + goal differential.

That's what we've been trying to tell you ... -53 goals differential means we need to fix our defensive play big time. Our 5 on 5 defensive play sucks.

Jesus Christ, it's like talking to a wall.
- Garfield512

Well, when 6 of your forwards pretty much poop the bed all season (Anderson, Pearsson, RHP, Gallagher, YoLo, RHP, etc...) or were injured for large portions (Dach, Newhook) and you have Evans as your #2 center for a large chunk of the season... what do you expect?

I am not convinced the 5v5 play is as bad as you state, if healthy, and I think the defensive part of the game will improve with more stability in the lineup.

If you drop Evans back down to the 4th line, keep the Newhook/Gallagher/Armia line together for a 3rd line, and find a winger (or two) for a full-season-healthy Dach, this is a very different looking team.

So is Mailloux better than Hutson considering that he gave an interview in French?
- jugkope

I can’t believe you posed that question..

... what's obvious is which teams made the playoffs and those who didn't.

Hint: they have a + goal differential.
- Garfield512

yeah I think I'm the one talking to a wall here.

nevermind dude, let's move on.

So is Mailloux better than Hutson considering that he gave an interview in French?
- jugkope

Labaie Hutson

... what's obvious is which teams made the playoffs and those who didn't.

Hint: they have a + goal differential.
- Garfield512

You know what else is obvious?

They won more games.

Also, the Caps made the playoffs, scored less goals than the Habs and are -37. The NYI are - 17, while scorign 5 more goals than the Habs.

I mean, they are not great teams, but having a negative goal differential did not hold them back.

So yes, having a negative goal differential is problematic, but does not systematically indicate where the issues are.

So is Mailloux better than Hutson considering that he gave an interview in French?
- jugkope

Pretty sure the pictures tell the tale...

Labaie Hutson
- Fredo

What's your location?

You know what else is obvious?

They won more games.

Also, the Caps made the playoffs, scored less goals than the Habs and are -37. The NYI are - 17, while scorign 5 more goals than the Habs.

I mean, they are not great teams, but having a negative goal differential did not hold them back.

So yes, having a negative goal differential is problematic, but does not systematically indicate where the issues are.
- Mashadar

you don't know your hockey, sir.

Well, when 6 of your forwards pretty much poop the bed all season (Anderson, Pearsson, RHP, Gallagher, YoLo, RHP, etc...) or were injured for large portions (Dach, Newhook) and you have Evans as your #2 center for a large chunk of the season... what do you expect?

I am not convinced the 5v5 play is as bad as you state, if healthy, and I think the defensive part of the game will improve with more stability in the lineup.

If you drop Evans back down to the 4th line, keep the Newhook/Gallagher/Armia line together for a 3rd line, and find a winger (or two) for a full-season-healthy Dach, this is a very different looking team.
- Mashadar

No arguments about the injured players but I'm referring to our defensive system.

The last 2 games are a good representation of our season.
We can take a lead but can't hold it because when the other team starts cycling in our zone, our players start running around like chickens with their head cut off.
It's a system issue.

I'm sure we'll eventually get better but if we wan't to eventually make the playoffs, it's a flaw we need to fix.

You know what else is obvious?

They won more games.

Also, the Caps made the playoffs, scored less goals than the Habs and are -37. The NYI are - 17, while scorign 5 more goals than the Habs.

I mean, they are not great teams, but having a negative goal differential did not hold them back.

So yes, having a negative goal differential is problematic, but does not systematically indicate where the issues are.
- Mashadar

Yeah, funny how it works ... by a weird concidence they also scored more goals than they let in too.

The Caps are the outlier ... look at the teams in the west.
Couldn't be any clearer.

you don't know your hockey, sir.
- Pat1993

- Mashadar

- Pat1993

Goddamn Wendy Testaburger!

What's your location?
- jugkope

Oh Symba, our glove trotter, really said that Prague was in Poland

Goddamn Wendy Testaburger!
- Mashadar

woah, not only do I not know my hockey, I also don't know my Southpark, wasn't aware that was her family name loll

Yeah, funny how it works ... by a weird concidence they also scored more goals than they let in too.

The Caps are the outlier ... look at the teams in the west.
Couldn't be any clearer.
- Garfield512

Again, plus / minus is a stupid archaic stat that is not really indicative of anything.

It indicates a problem, but does not tell you what the problem really is, beyond a simplistic score more goals or allow less goals... is it 5v5? is it PK? Is it PP? Is it your bottom lines? Is it your defensive zone coverage? Is it turnovers? Is it below average goaltending / too many soft and easy goals let in? Is the number inflated (or deflated) by several blowouts? etc....

So yeah, there is a problem.

What the problem actually is cannot be tied to a positive or negative goal differentials.

The Avs scored the most goals this season, but have let in the 17th most goals. Is that bad? Or good?

And again, if a team wins 50 games by an average of 1 goal and loses 32 games by an average of 2 goals - are they a good team, even with a negative goal differential? They are a 100 point team.

woah, not only do I not know my hockey, I also don't know my Southpark, wasn't aware that was her family name loll
- Pat1993