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TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 7:55 PM ET
So someone know what is Simon "Snake" Boisvert problem?

I understand that we often see Habs prospects better than what they could be but he seems to have fun vomiting on them…
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Apr 17 @ 7:58 PM ET
So someone know what is Simon "Snake" Boisvert problem?

I understand that we often see Habs prospects better than what they could be but he seems to have fun vomiting on them…

- TheInformer697041


I do not..
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 8:08 PM ET
Plus / Minus is a gauge, but not really fully indicative.

Teams with losing records are likely to have scored less goals than allowed. But that does not necessarily point towards bad defence or bad offence.

If you win 50 games by 1 goal and lose 32 games by 3 goals, you are net negative goals, but have 100 points.

Are they a bad team?

Clearly indicative of a potential problem, but not enough to point the finger on that stat alone.

ALSO I AM AGREEING WITH PAT AND I THINK I JUST DIED A LITTLE INSIDE!

- Mashadar



I agree with you regarding the + and - …

It is not an absolute measure but when you look at that stat for the hall of famers, usually they end their career with a big +…

Larry Robinson +722
Bobby Orr +583 in almost half the games of Robinson…
Raymond Bourque +527
Paul Coffee +298
Andrei Markov +64

My conclusion is that the + and - is heavily related on the team you are playing on… Much more than the Dman performance itself…

You would have put Markov playing for Habs in the 80s and he would have finish with a much better stats…
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Apr 17 @ 8:17 PM ET
If I may?

I believe the kitties point is, most of the time, when your +\- as a team is in the +, your team is better.

I’ve been mistaken in the past though..
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Apr 17 @ 8:23 PM ET
So someone know what is Simon "Snake" Boisvert problem?

I understand that we often see Habs prospects better than what they could be but he seems to have fun vomiting on them…

- TheInformer697041

former Jr scout, the guy loves to be controversial, looking for exposure. He always has way left field draft rankings.

Like this year, I think he has Connelly as #2...

Last year, it was Musty in his top 5 I think
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Apr 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
If I may?

I believe the kitties point is, most of the time, when your +- as a team is in the +, your team is better.

I’ve been mistaken in the past though..

- pete26



yes, but no one has been arguing that this isn't the case, simply that it doesn't tell you much other than that. it doesn't explain why the team is in the +/-... (goaltending? defense? lack of goal scoring..? etc.)

it's almost like looking at the number of points per team in the standings, where good teams usually accumulate more points.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Apr 17 @ 9:05 PM ET
yes, but no one has been arguing that this isn't the case, simply that it doesn't tell you much other than that. it doesn't explain why the team is in the +/-... (goaltending? defense? lack of goal scoring..? etc.)

it's almost like looking at the number of points per team in the standings, where good teams usually accumulate more points.

- Pat1993


Ed Zachary..
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:27 PM ET
If I may?

I believe the kitties point is, most of the time, when your +\- as a team is in the +, your team is better.

I’ve been mistaken in the past though..

- pete26


Or when a great player plays on a great team, he will end up with a huge differential… (Robinson)

And an ordinary player playing on a great team will most likely finish with a better differential than a better player playing on an ordinary team(Markov)…
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:31 PM ET
Don’t want to female dog over the Leafs but tonight’s game is so representative of the Toronto problem…

Since the beginning of the game all the team is playing to have Matthews scoring his 70th and the result is 6-3 TB and Matthews still at 69…

It is so stupid…

Boston in 5…
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Apr 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
Don’t want to female dog over the Leafs but tonight’s game is so representative of the Toronto problem…

Since the beginning of the game all the team is playing to have Matthews scoring his 70th and the result is 6-3 TB and Matthews still at 69…

It is so stupid…

Boston in 5…

- TheInformer697041


I don't mind that match up as a habs fan.


if the leafs or bruins win, I have the consolation prize of watching the bruins or leafs lose.
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
I don't mind that match up as a habs fan.


if the leafs or bruins win, I have the consolation prize of watching the bruins or leafs lose.

- Pat1993


And now they pull their goalie… Tabarnak…

LOL
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Apr 17 @ 9:35 PM ET
And now they pull their goalie… Tabarnak…

LOL

- TheInformer697041


probably trying to get Matthews that 70th goal
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Apr 17 @ 9:35 PM ET
we going to just let history pass and not make a comment?

no team has ever been the worst PP team 3 years in a row. until now.

WTG flyers.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Apr 17 @ 9:36 PM ET
we going to just let history pass and not make a comment?

no team has ever been the worst PP team 3 years in a row. until now.

WTG flyers.

- Gramps28







and kick didn't even tell us about it...!
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin! - EK
Joined: 08.31.2014

Apr 17 @ 9:37 PM ET
we going to just let history pass and not make a comment?

no team has ever been the worst PP team 3 years in a row. until now.

WTG flyers.

- Gramps28


The key to greatness is consistency.

Congrats.
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:39 PM ET
probably trying to get Matthews that 70th goal
- Pat1993


Game over…

69…

And a blast just before starting the playoffs…

Well… As you said… Nobody in Montreal will complain about that!!!
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Apr 17 @ 9:40 PM ET
Game over…

69…

And a blast just before starting the playoffs…

Well… As you said… Nobody in Montreal will complain about that!!!

- TheInformer697041

Seems weird to come in here and take a victory lap because a player only scored 69 goals
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:41 PM ET
we going to just let history pass and not make a comment?

no team has ever been the worst PP team 3 years in a row. until now.

WTG flyers.

- Gramps28


Torturella has to be fired…

He should be stuffed and put in a museum…
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Apr 17 @ 9:42 PM ET
Torturella has to be fired…

He should be stuffed and put in a museum…

- TheInformer697041

Look at what he squeezed out of that dog poop roster
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm a figment of your imagination.
Joined: 11.09.2006

Apr 17 @ 9:44 PM ET
Game over…

69…

And a blast just before starting the playoffs…

Well… As you said… Nobody in Montreal will complain about that!!!

- TheInformer697041

Amazing season for him, he's a scoring machine.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Apr 17 @ 9:46 PM ET
Seems weird to come in here and take a victory lap because a player only scored 69 goals
- mr.peanut


oh he's beaten every leaf record and is a damn good hockey player, there's just something kinda funny about finishing with 69....
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Apr 17 @ 9:46 PM ET
Let's go Coyotes, let's finish on a positive note with a win, or at least take this one to OT!!
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:46 PM ET
Seems weird to come in here and take a victory lap because a player only scored 69 goals
- mr.peanut


There is no victory lap…

The leafs are not prioritize the right things…

Who gives a (frank) about putting an individual objective in front of the team…

Leafs have made Conference Finals for 30 years and instead of playing as a team and finishing strong before starting a serie that will be crazy difficult for them they do things like that…

Boston in 5


Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Apr 17 @ 9:47 PM ET
Let's go Coyotes, let's finish on a positive note with a win, or at least take this one to OT!!
- stinger67



TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Apr 17 @ 9:48 PM ET
Look at what he squeezed out of that dog poop roster
- mr.peanut


Nice finish…. That guy is a cancer…
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