While I don’t take everything I see on Twitter / X seriously, there’s a large portion of our fan base that want to trade him. I don’t get it. He def lost steam but still had a career year. Agree he’s part of the solution. Seems anyone who plays with him on a line has chemistry with him too.
- arichardson22

Friedman mentioned he was available meaning the Flyers are willing to trade him. I think the fans think he could bring back something good. The Flyers don’t have too many expendable assets to use in a hockey trade.

its not just 4 years of no playoffs, its been a decade of meh.... Hextall and Chuck were huge failures building this team. Need to see Danny do something the next 2 years. I am not convinced on him yet, but not writing him off
- bradster

Back to back terrible GMs is going to hurt an organization for a long time especially with a draft based around 18 year olds.

He was a pro scout and I think he was promoted into an advisor position ie fired not fired.
- psuhockey

Of course, ex goons always have a job for life with the Flyers.

We had Giroux for years, thats a nice thing.....no? Look at all the regular season points he had, and Jake. The 1, 2 punch
- bradster

I'm guessing that this is sarcasm. I don't look back at the Giroux/Voracek era fondly.

Imagine that they beat SJ, Colombus, Mtl, and Chicago - where would they be picking then?

4 years of no playoffs and only one asset that screams talent/game changer
- corduroy

Well, if they beat those teams they'd be in the playoffs right now.

Back to back terrible GMs is going to hurt an organization for a long time especially with a draft based around 18 year olds.
- psuhockey

You can also tack on the last couple years of Homer's tenure as being bad. This team hasn't had a capable GM since I guess the first few years of Homer, but then he buried them in cap hell too. Hextall and Fletcher were just baaaaaaaaaad.

Friedman mentioned he was available meaning the Flyers are willing to trade him. I think the fans think he could bring back something good. The Flyers don’t have too many expendable assets to use in a hockey trade.
- psuhockey

At this point the Flyers need to find a way to get a Filip Forsberg, where they get a prospect that ends up being way more valuable than what they give up.

The Flyers are clearly not going to get more established elite talent like most other teams do and they are not going to fix anything by signing an expensive UFA, so that only leaves luck and lots of it.

I'm guessing that this is sarcasm. I don't look back at the Giroux/Voracek era fondly.
- Phillywhiteout

same

yep and it is so overlooked by the local and national media imo. Just a incompetent organization from top to bottom
- hello it's me 2050

You would think that an NHL franchise that over the last 12 seasons missed the playoffs 8 times and were bounced in the 1st round on 3 other occasions, would completely overhaul every facet of the hockey operation.

But instead, here we are, five years away from still being 5 years away.

You would think that an NHL franchise that over the last 12 seasons missed the playoffs 8 times and were bounced in the 1st round on 3 other occasions, would completely overhaul every facet of the hockey operation.

But instead, here we are, five years away from still being 5 years away.
- BiggE

2 huge mistakes with hextall and chuck will do that, not only did they not help at the time, but also set you back years by poor drafting, no top talent, and here we are. Hoping for the best from danny, but i need to see what his plan is. I havent seen anything yet, and think he got taken a bit on the cutter trade. Shouldve forced his hand maybe, threated to keep him in college another year. Or traded him at the draft, i think Danny was trying to help the team this year by making that move....unsuccessfully

The wrong turn at Albuquerque for this organization was Hextall not stripping it to the studs. He wasn’t allowed to imo but I could be wrong.

At this point the Flyers need to find a way to get a Filip Forsberg, where they get a prospect that ends up being way more valuable than what they give up.

The Flyers are clearly not going to get more established elite talent like most other teams do and they are not going to fix anything by signing an expensive UFA, so that only leaves luck and lots of it.
- Glak18

I am not as pessimistic as most. I don’t think they are that far away if certain prospects and players pan out like they are trending. The biggest concern is a #1 center. If they have a nice team collapse next season they should be able to find that at the top of the 2025 draft. If not, you are right they are going to have to get very lucky.

The wrong turn at Albuquerque for this organization was Hextall not stripping it to the studs. He wasn’t allowed to imo but I could be wrong.
- StepfordSam

If he was allowed to trade hartnell for umberger, trade schenn....... i dont think he wasnt allowed to do other things

Imagine how good they would be with a good PP coach like rocky at the helm?
- corduroy

Well done, Sir, well done...

He was a pro scout and I think he was promoted into an advisor position ie fired not fired.
- psuhockey

this is great news since Torts and Co are bringing in all the advisors to fix the PP. I am sure Dave The Sniper will have more than enough answers.

this is great news since Torts and Co are bringing in all the advisors to fix the PP. I am sure Dave The Sniper will have more than enough answers.

- Flyfly

You really think those guys can help the PP more than this guys stat line:

https://www.hockeydb.com/...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=21499

He once score 9 (NiNE) goals in a season and added TWENTY helpers

that screams PP coach

Back to back terrible GMs is going to hurt an organization for a long time especially with a draft based around 18 year olds.
- psuhockey

gonna look even worse with bad back to back to back GM'S

You really think those guys can help the PP more than this guys stat line:

https://www.hockeydb.com/...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=21499

He once score 9 (NiNE) goals in a season and added TWENTY helpers

that screams PP coach
- corduroy

SNIPER!!

You would think that an NHL franchise that over the last 12 seasons missed the playoffs 8 times and were bounced in the 1st round on 3 other occasions, would completely overhaul every facet of the hockey operation.

But instead, here we are, five years away from still being 5 years away.
- BiggE

I get comcast lets them do what they want for flyers related stuff....but damn how does a competent person in management not see what you just typed?

The wrong turn at Albuquerque for this organization was Hextall not stripping it to the studs. He wasn’t allowed to imo but I could be wrong.
- StepfordSam

he was in full control he choose not too as he wanted to straddle the line with really no plan.

drafting and developing isnt a plan before cliff chimes in.

I am not as pessimistic as most. I don’t think they are that far away if certain prospects and players pan out like they are trending. The biggest concern is a #1 center. If they have a nice team collapse next season they should be able to find that at the top of the 2025 draft. If not, you are right they are going to have to get very lucky.
- psuhockey

I absolutely agree. They do have good pieces, but they can't rely on those pieces becoming more than what they are as their main plan. There are teams that have multiple elite players that struggle to get to the next level and the Flyers haven't had 1 in a very very long time.

Farabee-[?]-Foerster
Tippett-Frost-Brink
[?]-Couturier-[?]
Cates-Poehling-Hathaway
Deslauriers

Sanheim-Drysdale
York-[?]
Zamula-Seeler

Ersson
Fedotov

Michkov, Barkey, Bonk in the pipeline. 10 picks the next 2 years Rounds 1-3.

Konecny -> 1st Round pick & prospect
Laughton -> 1st Round pick OR prospect
Atkinson -> Waive / Bury / Buyout
Johansen -> Waive / LTIR / Buyout

Ristolainen -> ???
Ellis -> LTIR

How different would this team be if they had a young elite center that didn't take 3-4 years to develop to hopefully reach their potential in another 2 years?

I don't even think they have to get a Crosby, McDavid type....just a Matthews/Stamkos/Pettersson one. It doesn't necessarily make them a contender, but actually having a line that is a true threat game in and game out.

Ultimately the only way to get that player is be at the bottom of the league for a couple years or get super lucky and get a Aho.

I'm guessing that this is sarcasm. I don't look back at the Giroux/Voracek era fondly.
- Phillywhiteout

Sucks for you since the new era of orange won't be nearly as good or exciting. In the 10 seasons Giroux and Voracek played together the Flyers were the 14th best regular season team, had the 7th best PP, Giroux was 3rd in the NHL in scoring and Voracek was 15th.

Since then the Flyers are 26th overall, dead last on the PP, and their highest scorer is ranked 81st in the league.

I am not as pessimistic as most. I don’t think they are that far away if certain prospects and players pan out like they are trending. The biggest concern is a #1 center. If they have a nice team collapse next season they should be able to find that at the top of the 2025 draft. If not, you are right they are going to have to get very lucky.
- psuhockey

The majority of those prospects, even if they reach their ceiling, are middle six, bottom six talents at best. That is what worries me. IMO there are reasons they were drafted in the 2nd 3rd 4th rounds.

They have Michkov and not much else in terms of game changing talent. Barkey is too small and not a good enough skater to overcome it at the NHL level. Bonk is a 2nd pair guy who will be more of a defensive defenseman in the NHL. His offensive numbers right now are mainly because he is playing the bumper on their PP. Something he won't be doing in the NHL. etc etc.

Wheeler had them ranked 6th and that is all based on Michkov. If he wasn't in the prospect pool they would be ranked in the late teens, low 20's IMO.

gonna look even worse with bad back to back to back GM'S
- hello it's me 2050

That is my fear as well. I will reserve judgment for the time being but right now this "New Era" is really just looks like a marketing campaign. They don't have the player assets to get anyone with elite talent. Frost, Farabee, TK etc. are not bringing back players that will move the needle much. They have draft picks, but again, are they picks that teams will give up elite talent? No.

They are stuck in a perpetual loop of meh. We have one top prospect in Matvei M. I feel like they are relying on luck and that is concerning.

The majority of those prospects, even if they reach their ceiling, are middle six, bottom six talents at best. That is what worries me. IMO there are reasons they were drafted in the 2nd 3rd 4th rounds.

They have Michkov and not much else in terms of game changing talent. Barkey is too small and not a good enough skater to overcome it at the NHL level. Bonk is a 2nd pair guy who will be more of a defensive defenseman in the NHL. His offensive numbers right now are mainly because he is playing the bumper on their PP. Something he won't be doing in the NHL. etc etc.

Wheeler had them ranked 6th and that is all based on Michkov. If he wasn't in the prospect pool they would be ranked in the late teens, low 20's IMO.
- MBFlyerfan

If the Flyers didn't have Michkov there is no question their ranking would be late 20's easily. Other than Bonk everyone else is an absolute crapshoot if they even play in the NHL and stick around.