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Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 28 @ 1:56 PM ET
Even if you’re employed by the league. It’s income tax and therefore based on your income and not where your employer is based.

I’ve attached a pretty good article that explains how Matthews is paid and taxed. It’s based on the $s in his first deal but it shows how the signing bonus system saves him big $.

One complicating factor not addressed in this article is that CRA has been cracking down on tax instruments called Retirement Compensation Agreements that players use to put a lot of their signing bonuses into. JT, and a bunch of players from the Jays have had issues with CRA over this. I don’t know the details but there are rules about how these things are structured and my guess is that the accountants got too cute.

https://www.crowe.com/ca/...ts-and-scores-tax-savings

- Canada Cup


Ok solid article thank you… not really liking the final statement atm however
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 1:58 PM ET
Thank you. I’ll read into this for sure.

Essentially what you’re saying is that the CRA is cracking down hard because the agents aren’t even trying to hide anything?

Another question I have is would the league be able to set different caps for each team based on their location? Not that the league would want to, likely not, but could they?

- Dozzer

I really don’t know what CRA is doing except that the rules governing these agreements are very detailed and if someone is trying to stretch it too far they’ll step in.

Sure the league could negotiate a CBA that allowed for different cap levels based on differing tax levels, weather, how good looking the women are, etc. It would be impossible to manage though. Would you include sales tax? How would you account for the fact that tax levels can change year to year?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 1:59 PM ET
Ok solid article thank you… not really liking the final statement atm however

- Dozzer

Lol. Agreed
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:02 PM ET
Next game, it should be Marner sitting. Woll in net and Dewar back in. Brodie out, Benoit out, Timmins in, Giordano in. Shaken, not stirred.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
I really don’t know what CRA is doing except that the rules governing these agreements are very detailed and if someone is trying to stretch it too far they’ll step in.

Sure the league could negotiate a CBA that allowed for different cap levels based on differing tax levels, weather, how good looking the women are, etc. It would be impossible to manage though. Would you include sales tax? How would you account for the fact that tax levels can change year to year?

- Canada Cup


Oh I wouldn’t know… I get what you’re saying tho.

I can see why CRA is stepping in as well too… if the loopholes were used quietly here and there that’s one thing… however an increased usage would require them to step in big time tho. Only 40% of Canadians are hockey fans and not even all of them would be willing to look the other way.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:17 PM ET
Next game, it should be Marner sitting. Woll in net and Dewar back in. Brodie out, Benoit out, Timmins in, Giordano in. Shaken, not stirred.
- PrinceLH


Sooooo sit the only guy that scored?

Yeah after his little hissy fit on the bench I get what you’re saying but the leafs goal production is flat out terrible atm. Sitting him atm would be dumb.

To accomplish the idea you’re getting to is for Keefe to just say (frank) it and mix the lineup big time. New lines and pairings across the board.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Apr 28 @ 2:23 PM ET
Well well Doobie just scratched the coach & asst at Wilkes-barre Scranton ….

Tell me again why he couldn’t be that decisive as a leaf GM…

And is that the Keefe landing spot… i’m sure Sid will be stoked with Keefe as his coach after Doobie turfs Johnson…
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:24 PM ET
Sooooo sit the only guy that scored?

Yeah after his little hissy fit on the bench I get what you’re saying but the leafs goal production is flat out terrible atm. Sitting him atm would be dumb.

To accomplish the idea you’re getting to is for Keefe to just say (frank) it and mix the lineup big time. New lines and pairings across the board.

- Dozzer
He's also the guy that is a turnover machine. Timmins has never had a chance to play in the playoffs. This guy can skate and shoot the puck. The powerplay is garbage, so why not try him there? The current powerplay won't shoot the puck. They pass it around the perimeter and just try to force it into the blue paint. Time for a reset of the powerplay.
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:26 PM ET
Well well Doobie just scratched the coach & asst at Wilkes-barre Scranton ….

Tell me again why he couldn’t be that decisive as a leaf GM…

And is that the Keefe landing spot… i’m sure Sid will be stoked with Keefe as his coach after Doobie turfs Johnson…

- dozerD10
Keefe can go with Dubas anytime he wants. Dubas is an arsonist, when it comes to a hockey franchise. Let it burn, in Pittsburgh!
Mahewman
Season Ticket Holder
Boston Bruins
Location: NH
Joined: 07.01.2009

Apr 28 @ 2:37 PM ET
Next game, it should be Marner sitting. Woll in net and Dewar back in. Brodie out, Benoit out, Timmins in, Giordano in. Shaken, not stirred.
- PrinceLH


You guys are pretty harsh on Marner LOL. He has been responsible for 2 of the last three goals from the Leafs. It is pretty painful watching him avoid contact though. Matthews is capable of taking over games and he seems disinterested and has been deferring IMO. I honestly cannot point to one positive play from Tavares outside of the broken play goal he had. Neither of them really want to dig in and battle.

Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:40 PM ET
He's also the guy that is a turnover machine. Timmins has never had a chance to play in the playoffs. This guy can skate and shoot the puck. The powerplay is garbage, so why not try him there? The current powerplay won't shoot the puck. They pass it around the perimeter and just try to force it into the blue paint. Time for a reset of the powerplay.
- PrinceLH


I’m all for resetting the PP but no, they can’t bench their 3rd highest paid player who was the only goal scorer in the previous game if they ever want to sign a free agent again.

I’d say flat out mix PP1 and PP2. Won’t happen tho, Keefe is too damn stubborn it seems. He can’t adapt when necessary for some reason.

Post season: fire coaches, tell JT that if he wants to stay in Toronto he’s only getting. $2 mill deal tops or they’ll wave bye, and move Marner to wherever he’ll accept a trade to.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Apr 28 @ 2:41 PM ET
I’m all for resetting the PP but no, they can’t bench their 3rd highest paid player who was the only goal scorer in the previous game if they ever want to sign a free agent again.

I’d say flat out mix PP1 and PP2. Won’t happen tho, Keefe is too damn stubborn it seems. He can’t adapt when necessary for some reason.

Post season: fire coaches, tell JT that if he wants to stay in Toronto he’s only getting. $2 mill deal tops or they’ll wave bye, and move Marner to wherever he’ll accept a trade to.

- Dozzer


I’m in 100% agreement with your postseason analysis.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Apr 28 @ 2:45 PM ET
Next game, it should be Marner sitting. Woll in net and Dewar back in. Brodie out, Benoit out, Timmins in, Giordano in. Shaken, not stirred.
- PrinceLH


New strategy: make the lineup way worse.

Bold move cotton.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Apr 28 @ 2:58 PM ET
Hopefully the Brodie time is over…. everyone knew it would be an unmedicated disaster, It seems …except Keefe.

he definitely needs to come out…

And in reality, he & Gio / should not be on the team next year.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Apr 28 @ 3:15 PM ET
Hopefully the Brodie time is over…. everyone knew it would be an unmedicated disaster, It seems …except Keefe.

he definitely needs to come out…

And in reality, he & Gio / should not be on the team next year.

- dozerD10

Feel bad for TJ but he's been a disaster and should not play another second.

Having him out there yesterday only further proves how (frank)ing horrible Keefe is a recognizing player talent or ability. Keefe is absolute shiite.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Apr 28 @ 3:19 PM ET
New strategy: make the lineup way worse.

Bold move cotton.

- joel878

Line up doesn't matter. They're not winning with that coach behind the bench.

Keefe sucks.
Boucher's PP sucks.
PK coach sucks.

I would sit Marner without hesitation, send a powerful message.

Some times it would be nice if people recognize the Leafs aren't winning 3 in a row. Not this team. Only a team with heart can pull that off. This team has zero heart.

Never let that disgusting example of sportsmanship exist on this club again. Send a message on the way out the door.
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 3:29 PM ET
New strategy: make the lineup way worse.

Bold move cotton.

- joel878
So you think that it's working now....batten?
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 3:32 PM ET
Line up doesn't matter. They're not winning with that coach behind the bench.

Keefe sucks.
Boucher's PP sucks.
PK coach sucks.

I would sit Marner without hesitation, send a powerful message.

Some times it would be nice if people recognize the Leafs aren't winning 3 in a row. Not this team. Only a team with heart can pull that off. This team has zero heart.

Never let that disgusting example of sportsmanship exist on this club again. Send a message on the way out the door.

- underhill14
Give Gio his last hurrah, maybe next year he's an assistant coach. Still, why not try Timmins on the powerplay? They really have nothing to lose. On Marner, I see both sides of the discussion on keeping him in or letting him sit.
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 3:38 PM ET
Something that nobody else has talked about is, where is Rielly this year? He was very good last year, this playoffs, MIA!
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Apr 28 @ 3:44 PM ET
Just the attack of the bruins
- Dozzer


Hello!
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Apr 28 @ 4:04 PM ET
So you think that it's working now....batten?
- PrinceLH


Definitely do not and definitely never said that. I just don't think making the lineup noticeably worse is a smart approach.

Put your best players in, if it isn't working shuffle the deck. It's the deck shuffling that we are missing, Keefe has largely sat back watching things not work and just deployed the same approach. He will fire the blender on all day when it doesn't matter, and sit on his hands when it does.

Put Marner on line 3, let him try to generate offence against lesser competition where mistakes won't be as high stakes. Change the D pairings, reset the powerplay units. Put Willy with Matthews. Have JT centre line 3 if you don't want Marner there.

(frank)ing do something other than take players out and replace them with players who aren't as good.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 28 @ 4:04 PM ET
I'm probably going way out on a limb here but my best guess is that something unprecedented happens and it plays out like this

- he refuses to waive and they can't get a new team friendly deal done
- he crushes the first 3 months becoming every fans favourite (Dozzer buys his jersey)
- Tree signs him to 8 x "something bigger then we all would have guessed"
- he suffers a uncharacteristic lull in production the rest of the year
- fans turn on him (Dozzer hides his jersey)
- he gets a migraine and can't play in the playoffs

- The Law

😆
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 28 @ 4:06 PM ET
Really? 12% less taxation alone would save him damn near $2 mill.

Canadians are adorable when they can’t grasp why players don’t mind not playing in Canada. They earn more, and have a far more private life.

Even at $12.5 mill his taxation up here would be roughly $1.3 million more. It’s why Matthews only gets paid league minimum at 53.53% taxation and gets the rest as a July 1st bonus while living in Arizona at 38.5% taxation.

Tbh I truly wish the league would have everyone’s cheque come out of NY state or something. Stop giving teams in a location with lower taxation a massive advantage.

- Dozzer

Its adorable to think someone who likes the spotlight of a hockey market would waive to move to Utah, an unknown as of now.
Agreed on the taxes part.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Apr 28 @ 4:07 PM ET
I’m all for resetting the PP but no, they can’t bench their 3rd highest paid player who was the only goal scorer in the previous game if they ever want to sign a free agent again.

I’d say flat out mix PP1 and PP2. Won’t happen tho, Keefe is too damn stubborn it seems. He can’t adapt when necessary for some reason.

Post season: fire coaches, tell JT that if he wants to stay in Toronto he’s only getting. $2 mill deal tops or they’ll wave bye, and move Marner to wherever he’ll accept a trade to.

- Dozzer

I agree that they should change the goalie. Even though the team only gives up 22 shots they still need to score 4 to win. If we had decent goaltending we’d be tied at one at the end of regulation.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 28 @ 4:09 PM ET
When the boys come back to win the series I’m going to tell all you guys to suck it. And I’ve never, ever told anyone to do that.
- shack67

Ive posted several times that the leafs win the next 2 -3 games

Its the leafy way
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