Lets see if we can poach some good players from Tampa. They're up against it needing to sign stamkos this year and hedman next.

Boston's 1str round pick and two fourth rounders for Jeannott and Radysh.
- Octavarium

rofl neither of those players are remotely close to being worth a first, hell Jeannott not even worth a 2nd or a 3rd, just because TBL was dumb enough to over pay for him dont mean anyone else has too

Sens need a solid scoring W more than a #3 C. Pinto will end up at #3 C because he can't finish and he's developing into a solid 200' player. Greig will pass him in the depth chart and end up at #2 C. They should go with Kleven and Guenette on D and not overpay for a veteran RD. Ottawa is not an attractive place for free agents or NMC in a trade.

Lets see if we can poach some good players from Tampa. They're up against it needing to sign stamkos this year and hedman next.

Boston's 1str round pick and two fourth rounders for Jeannott and Radysh.
- Octavarium

Good points, I imagine Tampa will trade outside the division at the very least

Just throwing names out Mithos.
Because standing pat at this point, even if it's probably the right move...may not be the right move.

Something has to give. Or we are rolling the same gang back again. And how has that worked for T.O ? They have some of the best offensive tallent on the planet....and just...can't even in the playoffs. We can't even make the dance with what he have.


But you're gonna ask me to pay 10$ more per ticket per night in the 300's for more of soft D in front Korpisalo? I'm a 50 year old man, I have enough "soft D" in my life LOL....we better not be left holding the bag of hammers when the coaching carrousel stops.

Absolutely superb read khawk. Great points on the Jekyll/Hyde types of trades. The idea of adding Brodie as an RD made me shake my head when the Leafs did it - if Ottawa tries that we're effed. Pesce is the name I'd like to see. Nobody talks about Pesce, which is a good thing. Solid but unspectacular.

Sad we all assume Norris' career is DOA - what to do with him... It'd be nice to give him a full season to perform so we could flip value, but the guy can't sniff 70 games, and he's been so injured I don't think even a full season performance will change perspectives. Basically, like Korpi, believe we are stuck with it. Hope it's insured.

Sens need a solid scoring W more than a #3 C. Pinto will end up at #3 C because he can't finish and he's developing into a solid 200' player. Greig will pass him in the depth chart and end up at #2 C. They should go with Kleven and Guenette on D and not overpay for a veteran RD. Ottawa is not an attractive place for free agents or NMC in a trade.
- granpa

I think this may right. Greig has progressed.


Multiple teams are hard against the cap and will need help in signing some of their own roster players. I don't think the Sens will have any problems in adding a top six skater.

Sounds like the Leafs will be putting Marner into the market. Marner is not a fit for the Sens. But there will be lots of very good pieces available and less places to go than the players hope.

I agree.

The Sens can produce offence. They have difficulty with consistency. Even more important they can be really irresponsible in their own end. They give up too many soft goals. Often, they get trapped in their own end and struggle to regain puck possession. Pinto plays a steady defensive game. He can be trusted to grow his game into becoming one of the better two way players in the league. Having forwards play a more responsible defensive game is something a few other Sens skaters need to become better at doing.
- spatso

Agreed. The defense is the issue. My hope is that improving the D (ie top RD plus coaching) will also improve the goaltending.

And, again, addition by subtraction: not having Kubalik, Brannstrom, Hamonic, MacEwen in the lineup might improve the team

Man...make take 2 years to unravel the damage that Dorion did.

If Marner truly loves the Leafs and wanted to be there for his career, he should have kicked his greedy dad out of the contract negotiations and signed a realistic team friendly contract (IE 9M per). Instead he, like the others, leveraged the Leafs contract structure to max earnings.

Which totally makes sense, we all want more money. But making 100M+ in your career, you'll be living luxe for the rest of your days. His kids too, set for life. As such, if he truly placed value on being a Toronto darling and hoisting their first cup since 1967 was your dream - if he was a true fan, he'd have bucked the trend and taken less. So much of the media narrative about the Leafs relates to top-heavy cap.

Toronto would be 1000% more sympathetic to him if he had done so. They'd be clamoring for the others to be moved instead. Now the poor kid is being shown the door by the one team and town he's ever wanted to play for. Ya fumbled it Mitch - some things are worth more than money and sadly you get to figure that out the hard way. He's got a full NMC, now a whole city wants him gone I'd use my power to stick it to them - I'd refuse any move and go to UFA in a year. Take a page from Captain Kombucha and do it Tavares style.

I would only want Marner to be a Senator for the LOL factor in possibly advancing beyond the 2d round with him in the lineup flipping off all the Toronto fans that blamed everything on him.

Would be the most hilarious thing in the world to have Marner on the Sens with salary retained by Toronto and to watch the Steve Dangle podcast with the Sens going to a conference final.

Edit: I think Treliving has a history of dealing with the Sens, may have just been Dorion though.

Sens need a solid scoring W more than a #3 C. Pinto will end up at #3 C because he can't finish and he's developing into a solid 200' player. Greig will pass him in the depth chart and end up at #2 C. They should go with Kleven and Guenette on D and not overpay for a veteran RD. Ottawa is not an attractive place for free agents or NMC in a trade.
- granpa

Pinto was already a solid 200' player before he got to the NHL, which is why he's never played a single AHL game. He also scores an awful lot of goals for someone who can't finish... with a 20G scoring rate based on a rookie season where he was forced to play over his head, and then thrown into the middle of the next season without a training camp after a 41 game suspension. His 54pts scoring pace from this year was also better than either Tkachuk or Batherson had in their 2nd year, so it's not like it would be hard for him to elevate into the >60pts range.

As for Greig, I really like a lot of things about his game but I'm not sure I see the same upside or potential role. The 13G-13A production in his rookie season was good - but the majority of that came from playing with Vladimir Tarasenko, and he finished the year with just 6Pts in his last 33GP, much of which was after the trade. I also don't believe he has the size, speed, or faceoff ability to match up against the league's top C, while also trying to generate consistent offense. So I see his upside as either that of a #3C that's more focused on a two-way shutdown role, or a #2LW that's focused on a more aggressive forecheck/disruptive scoring role.

I also just flat-out disagree about them needing a solid scoring W more than a #3C. I can't recall the team's exact record when they have 3 NHL-quality centres playing in the lineup together (e.g. Stutzle, Norris, Pinto), but it's something like a >105pts pace, and it's been a very rare sight for this team over the past 2 seasons. Having a frequently-injured scoring winger is an inconvenience... but having a frequently-injured #2C is nothing short of crippling. It's almost self-preservation at this point that they not permit future serious (and probable) injuries to Norris to disrupt the fundamental structure of their top-3 forward lines.

Agreed.


Here is a trade I would look at, but it is dependent on what Calgary wants to do in the end .... a retouch .... a slight rebuild ?

Remebering that Kadri comment earlier that "he didn't sign up for a rebuild in Calgary".

Calgary trades Kadri and Markstrom to Ottawa (both players would have to waive NMC so good luck with that).

Ottawa trades Chychrun, Norris (obviously dependent on shoulder), Joseph, and Boston's first round pick. Maybe someone off Belleville as well whoose name is not Klevin or Guenette.

Calgary sheds $13 million in salary and picks up a powerplay QB in Chychrun. Obviously we might need to touch up the trade a bit more .... but no Pinto/Greig/Batherson/Tkachul/Stutzle/Giroux/Chabot/Zub/Sanderson.

Then all we need is to go hard for a RD on the free agent market to round out our top 4 .... and bring up Klevin and Guenette for 3rd pairing. Maybe get a veteran for 3rd pairing on free agency as well. Cheap and inexpensive.
- OttawaB

Swap out one of the goalies for Joseph is the only way that works.

To Calgary Flames
C Josh Norris
D Jakob Chychrun (8 x 7M extension)
G Joonas Korpisalo
2024 1st round pick (around 25th-26th pick)

To Ottawa Senators
C Nazem Kadri
D Mackenzie Weegar
G Jacob Markstrom

My thoughts: Norris > Kadri primarily due to age factor, Kadri turns 34 with 5 years @7M

Weegar > Chychrun. Chychrun is younger and still hasn't found his fit with Sanderson and Chabot being on LD. Weegar is coming off his best year at 30 years old. Ottawa native

Markstrom > Korpisalo + 1st pick. I think this is what makes me think the Sens would have to add in something, perhaps a prospect, player or another pick. Thoughts?

To Calgary Flames
C Josh Norris
D Jakob Chychrun (8 x 7M extension)
G Joonas Korpisalo
2024 1st round pick (around 25th-26th pick)

To Ottawa Senators
C Nazem Kadri
D Mackenzie Weegar
G Jacob Markstrom

My thoughts: Norris > Kadri primarily due to age factor, Kadri turns 34 with 5 years @7M

Weegar > Chychrun. Chychrun is younger and still hasn't found his fit with Sanderson and Chabot being on LD. Weegar is coming off his best year at 30 years old. Ottawa native

Markstrom > Korpisalo + 1st pick. I think this is what makes me think the Sens would have to add in something, perhaps a prospect, player or another pick. Thoughts?
- AlfieisKing

Trades that solve all of one team's problems are seldom well received by the other team.

To Calgary Flames
C Josh Norris
D Jakob Chychrun (8 x 7M extension)
G Joonas Korpisalo
2024 1st round pick (around 25th-26th pick)

To Ottawa Senators
C Nazem Kadri
D Mackenzie Weegar
G Jacob Markstrom

My thoughts: Norris > Kadri primarily due to age factor, Kadri turns 34 with 5 years @7M

Weegar > Chychrun. Chychrun is younger and still hasn't found his fit with Sanderson and Chabot being on LD. Weegar is coming off his best year at 30 years old. Ottawa native

Markstrom > Korpisalo + 1st pick. I think this is what makes me think the Sens would have to add in something, perhaps a prospect, player or another pick. Thoughts?
- AlfieisKing

Naz is effectively Calgary's number one C and scored 75 points last year. Norris got 30 in 50 games and has played only 55% (180/328) of his games in the past four seasons. Worse yet, over the past two seasons, Norris has played only 35.4% (58/164) of games.

There is far, far too much risk with the Norris contract for any buyer to entertain it. There's no silver bullet to be had with either Norris or Korpi's deals. Unless we're the one swallowing it, that is.

Naz is effectively Calgary's number one C and scored 75 points last year. Norris got 30 in 50 games and has played only 55% (180/328) of his games in the past four seasons. Worse yet, over the past two seasons, Norris has played only 35.4% (58/164) of games.

There is far, far too much risk with the Norris contract for any buyer to entertain it. There's no silver bullet to be had with either Norris or Korpi's deals. Unless we're the one swallowing it, that is.
- Bartacus

I basically agree which is why my trade was a bit simpler. We would trade Norris, Chychrun, Joeseph, Forsberg (I forgot to add him before), and Boston's first round. For Markstrom and Kadri. Remember, Kadri doesn't want a rebuild. Calgary shaves off salary, and they get younger. Ottawa maybe even throws a few bones to bulk it up by adding Jarventie, Sokolov as sweeteners. I'd toss in Greig if it brought Weegar as well. We have players coming ..... Osapchuk, Halliday that bring the grit that Greig has, but those 2 are bigger and more imposing. Greig will have trouble over time with his style of play and his smaller stature. He needs to add bulk. Many may not want to trade Greig as part of a package, but it will take some pain to bring back what we want and need.

But it all depends on where Calgary pictures themself in the playoff race. They are definitely behind Vancouver, Edmonton, Vegas and LA. I can't help but think Seattle will be better next year. Calgary is ahead of Anaheim and San Jose though. So, does Calgary need to restructure or do they waste another year and not make the playoffs.

I know it is not a popular point of view but, I think the Sens will retain Hamonic.

Being the 7th or 8th man on your depth charts is not an easy role. If you are young player, it is better to be in Belleville and get the ice time. If you are a veteran, you need to be able to take on the role without bitterness. Many veterans are not able to adjust to not dressing for games.

By all accounts Hamonic is a really positive dressing room influence.

I assume Branstrom is being moved. I also think one of Chabot or Chychrun will be moved.

I especially like Hamonic if we expect JBD, Guenette and Kleven to be taking regular shifts. Hamonic has a long term future in the game beyond playing. I could also see him in Belleville helping with player development.

I know it is not a popular point of view but, I think the Sens will retain Hamonic.

Being the 7th or 8th man on your depth charts is not an easy role. If you are young player, it is better to be in Belleville and get the ice time. If you are a veteran, you need to be able to take on the role without bitterness. Many veterans are not able to adjust to not dressing for games.

By all accounts Hamonic is a really positive dressing room influence.

I assume Branstrom is being moved. I also think one of Chabot or Chychrun will be moved.

I especially like Hamonic if we expect JBD, Guenette and Kleven to be taking regular shifts. Hamonic has a long term future in the game beyond playing. I could also see him in Belleville helping with player development.
- spatso

Would have to agree about Hamonic. I don't like him as a #5/6D, but I like him as a depth veteran D for a team that basically has nobody outside of Zub that can play a physical D style. He was also a very positive influence on Sanderson when transitioning him to the NHL game, and I think he could have a similar mentorship role with Kleven. Plus, when you have injuries, that's when you need players that just understand how to play at the NHL-level the most vs. the chaotic nature of throwing inexperienced young players into the lineup. Kleven & Guenette may have NHL potential, but even despite his injuries Hamonic played more than twice the # of NHL games as both players combined last year. Not to mention that given his NMC you'd have to do a buyout, which effectively only saves $730K in cap space. So I just don't see the value of moving Hamonic out from any perspective.

Naz is effectively Calgary's number one C and scored 75 points last year. Norris got 30 in 50 games and has played only 55% (180/328) of his games in the past four seasons. Worse yet, over the past two seasons, Norris has played only 35.4% (58/164) of games.

There is far, far too much risk with the Norris contract for any buyer to entertain it. There's no silver bullet to be had with either Norris or Korpi's deals. Unless we're the one swallowing it, that is.
- Bartacus

Make it more appealing to Calgary....add a swap of earlier 1st rounds. Sens would drop down to 9. Cal come up to 7...which would get them Ignlia's kid.

And yes, add some other pieces. Brannstrom and Javernite.

Kadri might want to come east for family reasons?

So sullivan isn't going anywhere, and if he is, NJ is willing to trade for him.

But Rod Brindamour might be available????? Would cost $6 mill per year to get him.

Just what the sens would need.

My thinking is if the Leafs lose, Keefe is gone, and they will over pay for a coach like Brindamour or Berube.

Just don't want the Sens to cheap out on their next coach....

Question on Boston's first round pick. Is there any difference on where it winds up if they get knocked out in the first round or the second?

Quest on Boston's first round pick. Is there any difference on where it winds up if they get knocked out in the first round or the second?
- david22

Well they’re making it to the Second Round at least either way so…
And thank for the heads up on the ad blockers gents! Will upgrade my zeroes and ones game!

Question on Boston's first round pick. Is there any difference on where it winds up if they get knocked out in the first round or the second?
- david22

Yes. First round selections (17-24) go to teams eliminated from round 1. That's my understanding

Yes. First round selections (17-24) go to teams eliminated from round 1. That's my understanding
- AlfieisKing

I read the opposite. That it's based on season standings up until the conference finals, at which point the last 4 teams are based on how they finish.

For teams eliminated in the first two rounds, its based off of season standings. So no difference for Boston if they lose in round 1 or 2, except that for each team below them that finished in the final four, the pick would move up one.

Wasn't sure though so thought I'd confirm.

I read the opposite. That it's based on season standings up until the conference finals, at which point the last 4 teams are based on how they finish.

For teams eliminated in the first two rounds, its based off of season standings. So no difference for Boston if they lose in round 1 or 2, except that for each team below them that finished in the final four, the pick would move up one.

Wasn't sure though so thought I'd confirm.
- david22

Oh ok, I could be wrong.

Either way it's completely out of our control and I think when you get past top 15/20 it's really about your scouting at that point.

To Calgary Flames
C Josh Norris
D Jakob Chychrun (8 x 7M extension)
G Joonas Korpisalo
2024 1st round pick (around 25th-26th pick)

To Ottawa Senators
C Nazem Kadri
D Mackenzie Weegar
G Jacob Markstrom

My thoughts: Norris > Kadri primarily due to age factor, Kadri turns 34 with 5 years @7M

Weegar > Chychrun. Chychrun is younger and still hasn't found his fit with Sanderson and Chabot being on LD. Weegar is coming off his best year at 30 years old. Ottawa native

Markstrom > Korpisalo + 1st pick. I think this is what makes me think the Sens would have to add in something, perhaps a prospect, player or another pick. Thoughts?
- AlfieisKing

Stop It
Norris is damaged goods and no one is giving up much for him at this point.
Your garbage out for quality in proposals are really pathetic!