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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 3 @ 2:18 PM ET
every draft to you is weak is what you seem to say.

no it was not when you are supposedly "rebuilding".

- hello it's me 2050

That is not true. The 2015 draft was very deep. Last year's draft was very deep. However a lot of drafts are not deep like this one coming up. That is just the way it is. 2025 projects to be a deeper draft. A good GM takes this into account when planning what to do season over season.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 3 @ 2:21 PM ET
Buddy, TK doesn’t hold a candle to these elite players you’re comparing him to. It’s why the Flyers need to trade him. His contract will be a noose around the teams neck.
- coffee junkie

It's how you define elite I guess. Pastrnak is an elite scorer, but has had issues in the playoffs. He tends to disappear in games, sometimes for multiple games. These last two games against the Leafs are examples, so much so the coach called him out last night. TK IMO plays a different brand of hockey, one that I would rather have.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 3 @ 2:23 PM ET
jd begs to differ
- hello it's me 2050

If the Flyers had made the playoffs you are absolutely right that I would have expected Torts to be a finalist. But the Flyers didn't make the playoffs and worse yet, they folded badly down the stretch, and Torts didn't handle it very well, or as well as I would have preferred. Thus I have no problem with Torts not being considered.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 3 @ 2:24 PM ET
pens fired their PP coach. accountability.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 3 @ 2:24 PM ET
You know Pasta has a poster of TK on his locker. He’s Pasta’s GOAT.
- Minnyhock

I know he does, I gave it to him!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 3 @ 2:25 PM ET
If the Flyers had made the playoffs you are absolutely right that I would have expected Torts to be a finalist. But the Flyers didn't make the playoffs and worse yet, they folded badly down the stretch, and Torts didn't handle it very well, or as well as I would have preferred. Thus I have no problem with Torts not being considered.
- jd250

torts part of the reason they faded.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 3 @ 2:50 PM ET
pens fired their PP coach. accountability.
- hello it's me 2050


And their whole ahl coaching staff
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

May 3 @ 2:55 PM ET
TK was obviously hurt down the stretch and was in the lineup fighting through it, something I know Pasta would never do.
- jd250

I think you are now just making things up....lol
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 3 @ 2:55 PM ET
I know he does, I gave it to him!
- jd250


Now send Cutter a Michkov poster.

Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 3 @ 3:17 PM ET
he was never that good. period.
- hello it's me 2050


It was a terrible pick from the moment they selected him.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

May 3 @ 3:23 PM ET
pens fired their PP coach. accountability.
- hello it's me 2050


Yet the one PP that was worse than Pittsburgh, he still has a job.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 3 @ 3:41 PM ET
pens fired their PP coach. accountability.
- hello it's me 2050


Rocky is there to blur the rebuild retool line.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:45 PM ET
The Bruins glaring weakness is at center. Coyle and Zacha are excellent 3Cs. The last time Coyle had 50 points before this year was when he was with Minnesota. Zacha never hit 50 until he got to Boston. I guess they could work as as 2C and 3C. Nobody is having a long run without a 1C.
- Minnyhock


I agree and the fact that the Bruins, while losing their top two centers, were still competing for the Presidents trophy. Shows just how tremendous of a coach Jim Montgomery is.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:47 PM ET
And you would lose that bet .. go watch the post game yourself, I posted the link previously. Just admit you were wrong and I was right ... everyone knows it.
- jd250


I just watched it. That is not a coach calling out a player. Calling out a player is coach initiating the discussion about a player. What Montgomery did there was answer a question posed by a reporter with an honest answer. The fact that you repeatedly post phrases like "everyone knows it" is an indication of just how fragile and unsure of yourself you are. When I post, I don't need anyone else's assurances.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 3 @ 3:48 PM ET
I agree and the fact that the Bruins, while losing their top two centers, were still competing for the Presidents trophy. Shows just how tremendous of a coach Jim Montgomery is.
- MJL
And yet he's not one of the Finalists for the Jack Adams. I guess most folks don't see it your way? Flyers Nation in an uproar this afternoon after Torts was left off the list!
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 3 @ 3:49 PM ET
I just watched it. That is not a coach calling out a player. Calling out a player is coach initiating the discussion about a player. What Montgomery did there was answer a question posed by a reporter with an honest answer. The fact that you repeatedly post phrases like "everyone knows it" is an indication of just how fragile and unsure of yourself you are. When I post, I don't need anyone else's assurances.
- MJL
Feeling your oats today huh?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:50 PM ET
This is not a knock on Matthews, he is the best goal scorer in the game right now. I'm saying it's interesting to see how the Leafs are handling Matthews being out of the lineup and how it has actually helped them in this series because now they are playing a different brand of hockey, one more suited for playoff hockey.
- jd250



The Leafs are playing the same brand of hockey that they always play. They're not going to change how they play due to one player being out. It is ludicrous to state that having an elite player like Matthews out is actually helping them. It's not, it's hurting them greatly. Your comment belies common sense.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 3 @ 3:51 PM ET
I agree and the fact that the Bruins, while losing their top two centers, were still competing for the Presidents trophy. Shows just how tremendous of a coach Jim Montgomery is.
- MJL


I think he made a few mistakes the last playoffs but he’s tremendous. It would be a shame if the Bruins blow this and he loses his job.

I seem to remember Bill suggesting the Flyers hire him before they hired the almost Jack Adams nominee.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:52 PM ET
TK was obviously hurt down the stretch and was in the lineup fighting through it, something I know Pasta would never do.
- jd250


You made a blanket statement. It's biased and wrong. Your bias towards Pasternak and your views towards him are idiotic.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:56 PM ET
It's how you define elite I guess. Pastrnak is an elite scorer, but has had issues in the playoffs. He tends to disappear in games, sometimes for multiple games. These last two games against the Leafs are examples, so much so the coach called him out last night. TK IMO plays a different brand of hockey, one that I would rather have.
- jd250


Pasternak has scored 83 points in 83 playoff games. Nothing but unsubstantiated and quite frankly stupid cliches. The different brand of hockey that Konecny plays from Pasternak is far less goals and assists.

Konecny has 1 goal and 7 assists for 8 points in 22 playoff games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:57 PM ET
If the Flyers had made the playoffs you are absolutely right that I would have expected Torts to be a finalist. But the Flyers didn't make the playoffs and worse yet, they folded badly down the stretch, and Torts didn't handle it very well, or as well as I would have preferred. Thus I have no problem with Torts not being considered.
- jd250


It was never going to happen. It was fantasy from you and Phillywhiteout.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 3:59 PM ET
And yet he's not one of the Finalists for the Jack Adams. I guess most folks don't see it your way? Flyers Nation in an uproar this afternoon after Torts was left off the list!
- Phillywhiteout


So a coach can't be a tremendous coach if he is not a finalist for the Jack Adams award during one season? He won it last season. Does that mean that there are only 3 really good coaches in the NHL? This is an example of your logic. What happened to your prediction?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:01 PM ET
I think he made a few mistakes the last playoffs but he’s tremendous. It would be a shame if the Bruins blow this and he loses his job.

I seem to remember Bill suggesting the Flyers hire him before they hired the almost Jack Adams nominee.

- Minnyhock


The possibility of both Montgomery and Brind'Amour being available as coaches, is a dream come true. The Flyers don't have the sense though to can Tortorella and bring in a really good modern day NHL coach.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 3 @ 4:01 PM ET
torts part of the reason they faded.
- hello it's me 2050


From the most recent NK podcast it sounds like people who talk with the players think the beginning of the end was Torts' handling of the captaincy, Coots and the subsequent fallout:



Lot of interesting stuff there. Worth a listen.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

May 3 @ 4:13 PM ET
You made a blanket statement. It's biased and wrong. Your bias towards Pasternak and your views towards him are idiotic.
- MJL

He is just making stuff up for no other reason but to tweak you. He doesnt believe what he is saying he just likes to rile you up.
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