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hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

May 3 @ 4:16 PM ET
So a coach can't be a tremendous coach if he is not a finalist for the Jack Adams award during one season? He won it last season. Does that mean that there are only 3 really good coaches in the NHL? This is an example of your logic. What happened to your prediction?
- MJL

Lavy isnt a finalist either and he did a great job with the Rangers. No one had them picked to win the Pres Trophy. He is a tremendous coach also
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:17 PM ET
He is just making stuff up for no other reason but to tweak you. He doesnt believe what he is saying he just likes to rile you up.
- hfc355


Yea, I've thought about that but that's okay. I still get the entertainment out of that and that reflects on his credibility, which of course he has none. Not mine.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:18 PM ET
Lavy isnt a finalist either and he did a great job with the Rangers. No one had them picked to win the Pres Trophy. He is a tremendous coach also
- hfc355


Without question. Like most coaches, he has a shelf life but give him a talented lineup and he knows how to kick it in gear.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 3 @ 4:26 PM ET
The Leafs are playing the same brand of hockey that they always play. They're not going to change how they play due to one player being out. It is ludicrous to state that having an elite player like Matthews out is actually helping them. It's not, it's hurting them greatly. Your comment belies common sense.
- MJL
you are absolutely wrong here!! In fact, I was just listening to some Laffs pundits on NHL Network and they agree with JD. They certainly have changed their style since Matthews went down and there is no doubt about it. They are playing a more defensive style and have shut the Broooooins down for the most part. This is the truth!
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 3 @ 4:27 PM ET
From the most recent NK podcast it sounds like people who talk with the players think the beginning of the end was Torts' handling of the captaincy, Coots and the subsequent fallout:



Lot of interesting stuff there. Worth a listen.

- Tomahawk


Sounds like Torts couldn’t get out of the way of his ego. Kind of a Herb Brooks move.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 3 @ 4:28 PM ET
So a coach can't be a tremendous coach if he is not a finalist for the Jack Adams award during one season? He won it last season. Does that mean that there are only 3 really good coaches in the NHL? This is an example of your logic. What happened to your prediction?
- MJL
My prediction was predicated on the Flyguys making the playoffs! They didn't, so he didn't get nominated. Pretty simple logic from where I sit.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:31 PM ET
you are absolutely wrong here!! In fact, I was just listening to some Laffs pundits on NHL Network and they agree with JD. They certainly have changed their style since Matthews went down and there is no doubt about it. They are playing a more defensive style and have shut the Broooooins down for the most part. This is the truth!
- Phillywhiteout


LOL, provide the proof. A team plays all season, one player gets hurt and they're going to completely change from how they've played all year. So tell me specifically how they have changed? Have they changed their forecheck? Changed their neutral zone structure? Their strategy of offensive attack. Changed their defensive zone coverage scheme? Detail for me exactly how they have changed?
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

May 3 @ 4:32 PM ET
The possibility of both Montgomery and Brind'Amour being available as coaches, is a dream come true. The Flyers don't have the sense though to can Tortorella and bring in a really good modern day NHL coach.
- MJL


Why would they come here, aseverely less talented team?

And if they are available, it means they failed multiple times with more atalented teams to get the job done.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:34 PM ET
My prediction was predicated on the Flyguys making the playoffs! They didn't, so he didn't get nominated. Pretty simple logic from where I sit.

- Phillywhiteout


Your prediction was never going to happen and it was pure fantasy. I told you it was and laughed at you as you repeatedly posted your delusion and how you couldn't wait to rub it in my face. It was hysterical and it's hysterical now. Thanks.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:35 PM ET
Why would they come here, aseverely less talented team?

And if they are available, it means they failed multiple times with more atalented teams to get the job done.

- WhiskeyMan


Don't know if they would or not. I wouldn't if I was them.

Every coach fails at some point. It is the nature of the job.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

May 3 @ 4:38 PM ET
Since 2020, Pasternak has played 31 playoff games and has scored 30 points.
- MJL



Yep he had very nice 20-21 playoff run. I said since then

21-22 6 in 7
22-23 5 in 7
23-24 4 in 6

He seems to be getting worse
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 4:40 PM ET
Yep he had very nice 20-21 playoff run. I said since then

21-22 6 in 7
22-23 5 in 7
23-24 4 in 6

He seems to be getting worse

- WhiskeyMan


No, this is what you said

"Pasta ha"s not been a point per game or more in the Playoffs since 2020. He is playing at a below average pace.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 3 @ 4:41 PM ET
Sounds like Torts couldn’t get out of the way of his ego. Kind of a Herb Brooks move.
- Minnyhock


Not even Herb would plan to give somebody the 'C' so that tearing them down later would be even more unsettling. At least that's what ASF seemed to be suggesting happened here.

Some real Machiavellian poop.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

May 3 @ 4:41 PM ET
Don't know if they would or not. I wouldn't if I was them.

Every coach fails at some point. It is the nature of the job.

- MJL


Has either one won the cup with their tea. If not it means they have failed every season. Theor job is to wi. The cup, not make the playoffs.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 3 @ 4:41 PM ET
Your prediction was never going to happen and it was pure fantasy. I told you it was and laughed at you as you repeatedly posted your delusion and how you couldn't wait to rub it in my face. It was hysterical and it's hysterical now. Thanks.
- MJL
Yet another lie from you. You are getting cornered here...better be careful Everyone knows that you predicted that the Flyers were a shoe in to make the playoffs, so how would you be laughing? Better take a long look in the mirror cause you are acting fraudulent here.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

May 3 @ 4:42 PM ET
No, this is what you said

"Pasta ha"s not been a point per game or more in the Playoffs since 2020. He is playing at a below average pace.

- MJL


Yes Since 2020, everything after 2020
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 3 @ 4:44 PM ET
LOL, provide the proof. A team plays all season, one player gets hurt and they're going to completely change from how they've played all year. So tell me specifically how they have changed? Have they changed their forecheck? Changed their neutral zone structure? Their strategy of offensive attack. Changed their defensive zone coverage scheme? Detail for me exactly how they have changed?
- MJL
Proof is in the pudding! Just watch the last couple of games. It's not necessarily a strategic change, but they are playing a different style within their strategy. They are packing it in and blocking more shots, and when they have no play out of the zone they are simply flipping the puck out. Also, being less fancy on the offensive end. Just getting pucks and bodies to the net instead of looking for the perfect play.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

May 3 @ 4:49 PM ET
Not even Herb would plan to give somebody the 'C' so that tearing them down later would be even more unsettling. At least that's what ASF seemed to be suggesting happened here.

Some real Machiavellian poop.

- Tomahawk


I thought the Andreychuk parallel was telling. Kind of like his reasoning has been undone by his ego.


Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 3 @ 4:53 PM ET
Proof is in the pudding! Just watch the last couple of games. It's not necessarily a strategic change, but they are playing a different style within their strategy. They are packing it in and blocking more shots, and when they have no play out of the zone they are simply flipping the puck out. Also, being less fancy on the offensive end. Just getting pucks and bodies to the net instead of looking for the perfect play.
- Phillywhiteout


Couldn't all that be a function of them adjusting to their opponent during the course of a 7-game series instead of some reaction to losing Matthews?

It's not like Matthews was the only guy who could score on that team and they suddenly went lunch pail without him. Willy's a 40-goal guy. JT's a 30-40 goal guy. Marner's a 30-goal guy.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 3 @ 4:59 PM ET
Yea, I've thought about that but that's okay. I still get the entertainment out of that and that reflects on his credibility, which of course he has none. Not mine.
- MJL

another cliff buzzword....
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 3 @ 5:00 PM ET
Without question. Like most coaches, he has a shelf life but give him a talented lineup and he knows how to kick it in gear.
- MJL

what kind of coach do you want for a non talented flyers team? name some guys
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 3 @ 5:02 PM ET
LOL, provide the proof. A team plays all season, one player gets hurt and they're going to completely change from how they've played all year. So tell me specifically how they have changed? Have they changed their forecheck? Changed their neutral zone structure? Their strategy of offensive attack. Changed their defensive zone coverage scheme? Detail for me exactly how they have changed?
- MJL

buzzwords galore today
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

May 3 @ 5:11 PM ET
I just watched it. That is not a coach calling out a player. Calling out a player is coach initiating the discussion about a player. What Montgomery did there was answer a question posed by a reporter with an honest answer. The fact that you repeatedly post phrases like "everyone knows it" is an indication of just how fragile and unsure of yourself you are. When I post, I don't need anyone else's assurances.
- MJL

You sound like a child. You need to get outside and soak up some sunshine. It will help your mental health
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 3 @ 5:18 PM ET
Has either one won the cup with their tea. If not it means they have failed every season. Theor job is to wi. The cup, not make the playoffs.
- WhiskeyMan


Only one coach wins the Cup every season. Not winning the Cup does not mean that a coach has failed. You're not making much sense.
Angus4444
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2018

May 3 @ 5:19 PM ET
you are absolutely wrong here!! In fact, I was just listening to some Laffs pundits on NHL Network and they agree with JD. They certainly have changed their style since Matthews went down and there is no doubt about it. They are playing a more defensive style and have shut the Broooooins down for the most part. This is the truth!
- Phillywhiteout

If he watched the games he would see this. They are making the B’s look like a minor league team. I’m wondering if the leafs players were always looking for Matthew’s to win the game for them. Now that he’s out, maybe they are stepping up and are more relaxed
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