2024 Hart Trophy finalists, as voted by @ThePHWA: Nikita Kucherov (TBL), Nathan MacKinnon (COL) and Connor McDavid (EDM).

Driving for 5 minutes and listened to WGR.

Biron in the most politically polite manor said we should offer sheet Swayman for 6-8 mill a year.

I am kind of shocked. Usually he’s not that honest.

He did it the most friendly way of doing it. So he didn’t offend the Sabres or players since he’s a Sabres employee.

Driving for 5 minutes and listened to WGR.

Biron in the most politically polite manor said we should offer sheet Swayman for 6-8 mill a year.

I am kind of shocked. Usually he’s not that honest.

He did it the most friendly way of doing it. So he didn’t offend the Sabres or players since he’s a Sabres employee.
- Sabretooth9

Reinforces just how unrealistic it is. Always fun to consider though.

Handsome Jack?
- Jet Jaguar BD

nah dance recital.

Seriously, where is the Sabres braintrusts version of that type of deal? Or even a Devon Toews type of deal?
- sbroads24

This (and last) year is the time to show it.

Reinforces just how unrealistic it is. Always fun to consider though.
- Lunaion

I mean it’s 100% doable on paper. Adams would never attempt it.

Felt like there was a huge gap in quality between your two lists and the C's didn't come close to that value.

Logically, I don't think 11 for a 3C makes any sense for them, especially with limited term and no team control. Need KA to do better than that, if he opts to trade the pick.
- Lunaion

I guess I disagree. The guys I posted vs the guys who've been traded, when taking into account position, projected contract, RFA/UFA years remaining, talent, production, I would definitely argue the centers I listed are of equal or greater value than the ones that have been traded for 1's already. Buchnevich should be on that list too, realistically.

Agree with the above.

That would feel like a panic trade.
- kingcong39

Using a 1st on a Karlsson is a panic trade?

Driving for 5 minutes and listened to WGR.

Biron in the most politically polite manor said we should offer sheet Swayman for 6-8 mill a year.

I am kind of shocked. Usually he’s not that honest.

He did it the most friendly way of doing it. So he didn’t offend the Sabres or players since he’s a Sabres employee.
- Sabretooth9

he's had a long disdain for UPL.

Using a 1st on a Karlsson is a panic trade?
- TheSabresTaco

Using this year's 1st? Yes.

I could be talked into next year's 1st.

I believe you could get Karlsson, assuming he'd waive, for a prospect and a 2nd.

Using this year's 1st? Yes.

I could be talked into next year's 1st.

I believe you could get Karlsson, assuming he'd waive, for a prospect and a 2nd.
- kingcong39

11 for a 3C is a mental hurdle I can't get over.

Also, they don't seem like a team who cares/overvalues 1sts. An ELC ready to step in seems a lot more enticing for them. Sabres don't really draft guys who fit the Vegas mold though.

11 for a 3C is a mental hurdle I can't get over.

Also, they don't seem like a team who cares/overvalues 1sts. An ELC ready to step in seems a lot more enticing for them. Sabres don't really draft guys who fit the Vegas mold though.
- Lunaion

The previous 3C for the Sabres was drafted 8th overall...the current assumed 3C was the main piece targeted in the Eichel trade, and drafted 17th......why is this 11th pick assumed to be too high of a price now?

The previous 3C for the Sabres was drafted 8th overall...the current assumed 3C was the main piece targeted in the Eichel trade......why is this 11th pick assumed to be too high of a price now?
- washedup20

The expectation for 11 is higher than a 3C and I'd say the market value of the pick is higher as well. Doesn't mean they always hit, but if you trade them all for 3rd liners, you'll always suck.

Picks are also over-valued, so I'm pretty good at speaking out both sides of my mouth.

Using this year's 1st? Yes.

I could be talked into next year's 1st.

I believe you could get Karlsson, assuming he'd waive, for a prospect and a 2nd.
- kingcong39

yeah, maybe. maybe not.

The expectation for 11 is higher than a 3C and I'd say the market value of the pick is higher as well. Doesn't mean they always hit, but if you trade them all for 3rd liners, you'll always suck.

Picks are also over-valued, so I'm pretty good at speaking out both sides of my mouth.
- Lunaion

The expectation for 11 is higher than a 3C and I'd say the market value of the pick is higher as well. Doesn't mean they always hit, but if you trade them all for 3rd liners, you'll always suck.

Picks are also over-valued, so I'm pretty good at speaking out both sides of my mouth.
- Lunaion

William Karlsson is a 60 point 3C.

Yeah I'm kinda curious about some of these heel-turns I'm seeing today on this first round pick business.

William Karlsson is a 60 point 3C.

Yeah I'm kinda curious about some of these heel-turns I'm seeing today on this first round pick business.
- TheSabresTaco

He also wasn't a 3C the bulk of the season, so a big part is where you see him fitting in.

The previous 3C for the Sabres was drafted 8th overall...the current assumed 3C was the main piece targeted in the Eichel trade, and drafted 17th......why is this 11th pick assumed to be too high of a price now?
- washedup20

Honestly, it's because guys like Filip Forsberg, Kevin Fiala, Lawson Crouse, Anze Kopitar and Jeff Carter were also drafted 11th overall. It's a 50/50 if you're going to hit in the teens, but you're still high enough to have a good chance of drafting a very high impact player.

A 2C, I'd pull the trigger, for a bottom6 player (3C), you're essentially saying you think the class is weak or you are bad at drafting.

William Karlsson is a 60 point 3C.

Yeah I'm kinda curious about some of these heel-turns I'm seeing today on this first round pick business.
- TheSabresTaco

He's one I would. I would say he's closer to a 2C than a 3C though. Cates, as an example, is a step down.

Honestly, it's because guys like Filip Forsberg, Kevin Fiala, Lawson Crouse, Anze Kopitar and Jeff Carter were also drafted 11th overall. It's a 50/50 if you're going to hit in the teens, but you're still high enough to have a good chance of drafting a very high impact player.

A 2C, I'd pull the trigger, for a bottom6 player (3C), you're essentially saying you think the class is weak or you are bad at drafting.
- QuinnFan

I think the objective is to find a center who is more than capable of playing 2C.

Honestly, it's because guys like Filip Forsberg, Kevin Fiala, Lawson Crouse, Anze Kopitar and Jeff Carter were also drafted 11th overall. It's a 50/50 if you're going to hit in the teens, but you're still high enough to have a good chance of drafting a very high impact player.

A 2C, I'd pull the trigger, for a bottom6 player (3C), you're essentially saying you think the class is weak or you are bad at drafting.
- QuinnFan

Savoie
Ostlund
Kulich
Krebs
Mitts

Sad that 3C is even a topic in Sabreland.

Savoie
Ostlund
Kulich
Krebs
Mitts

Sad that 3C is even a topic in Sabreland.
- Lunaion

well, ya wanna win now, right

I think the objective is to find a center who is more than capable of playing 2C.
- TheSabresTaco

Fair enough. I can see Karlsson and Schmaltz there, but not sure Jenner has that much left in the tank. Cates just had a pretty rough year I know. If it's straight up, I think we have to shoot for the higher ones on that list is all.

nah dance recital.
- TheSabresTaco

that’s about all they do there

they have extremely poor management

no movies play there except maybe a big disney release once or twice a year

unfortunate, personally, I would go there all the time if they played even some new releases

Savoie
Ostlund
Kulich
Krebs
Mitts

Sad that 3C is even a topic in Sabreland.
- Lunaion

Very true, but only temporarily. We basically need a 3C for a year.