The idea of trading Marner is absolutely stupid and so absolutely typical of Leafs fans. The same people who are absolutely convinced the Leafs, as constructed, would do well this year are the same people convinced Marner is the problem child.

If one thing is absolutely true it's that when a majority of Leafs fans believe something, they're most likely wrong and the best course of action is to do the complete opposite.

Marner led the Leafs in scoring and playoff scoring for years all while being expected to kill penalties too. But some people just do not understand how this team is built.

Nylander missed 3 games, Matthews basically missed 2.5 games and Marner had an high ankle sprain (the same injury that kept Woll out for months). The team didn't decide to start playing good hockey until they were down 3-1. And the idiot coach didn't realize Woll was the better goalie until game 5.

If there is anybody who needs to go, it's Shanahan, Keefe and Tavares. The board room, the bench and the lockerroom. One bad apple in each area not living up to the required standard.

The special teams sucked (Keefe), the cap management sucks (Shanahan and his puppet GMs) and Tavares has been underperforming for his contract for years. We are in the years of the contract that Leafs fans believed "won't matter because we'll already have won multiple Cups by then". These are the same fans who today scream "trade Marner". Wrong then, wrong today and probably wrong forever.

You do not give up one of your best players, in the prime of their career, and get further ahead. Matthews, Marner and Nylander are not and should not be going anywhere. Period.

The Leafs have nearly 19 million in cap space. Spend 15 million of it on D and a goalie that doesn't get hurt every 3 games with a coach behind the bench that can make better game altering decisions.

When Tavares is off the books next year, you continue to add value on the blueline without making the same mistake again.

NHL Starter
2 RD - Top Pair guy (doesn't need to be a number but a Top Pair) & Second Pair
2C
3RW
4LW/RW

I really hope both Bert and Domi sign for the Leafs...not sure Bert appreciates the attention here though.

McMann & Knies will be improved even more next season. I feel McMann can slot in as 2LW and Knies is an unreal solid 3LW

I saw some scuttle about Saros (maybe a tick too old but maybe perfect fit right now...not sure contract length) and Carrier - Thats the Starter & Second Pair Righty

EDIT: JT next year is super overpaid but also if Marner can get bounced (hopefully) and some others walking - Leafs can cope to get through a year more as an overpaid 3C cause I still feel he will take huge discount next contract and slot amazingly as 3C at the right price and great production.
- Big23Questions

I think you may have missed your calling as an NHL GM. Why you're wasting your time trolling the Oilers and Canucks threads is beyond me. Get yourself a decent agent and get yourself paid.

We want to be rid of overpaid troubled players not take on an 3 extra 5-6 years of one. Better off losing Marner to FA
- jribout

That would be the cleaner approach.

I think you may have missed your calling as an NHL GM. Why you're wasting your time trolling the Oilers and Canucks threads is beyond me. Get yourself a decent agent and get yourself paid.
- Load Management

Thanks man!! I feel that way too sometimes - but then I realize that I probably just read these things somewhere and I’m promoting them (unknowingly) as my own ideas haha.

I’m sore there are a lot of posters on here who feel (like me) they could build a winner! So, there was a time where I was tempted to go after and chase this dream of mine but I thought better. I may be a passionate hockey fan but a GM HA! I think not.

I appreciate the positivity though Loady especially from a Canucks fan!

If I do decide to pursue this wild dream I will definitely get an agent! Ha there’s no way I’d be able to navigate on my own.

Cheers man!

The idea of trading Marner is absolutely stupid and so absolutely typical of Leafs fans. The same people who are absolutely convinced the Leafs, as constructed, would do well this year are the same people convinced Marner is the problem child.

If one thing is absolutely true it's that when a majority of Leafs fans believe something, they're most likely wrong and the best course of action is to do the complete opposite.

Marner led the Leafs in scoring and playoff scoring for years all while being expected to kill penalties too. But some people just do not understand how this team is built.

Nylander missed 3 games, Matthews basically missed 2.5 games and Marner had an high ankle sprain (the same injury that kept Woll out for months). The team didn't decide to start playing good hockey until they were down 3-1. And the idiot coach didn't realize Woll was the better goalie until game 5.

If there is anybody who needs to go, it's Shanahan, Keefe and Tavares. The board room, the bench and the lockerroom. One bad apple in each area not living up to the required standard.

The special teams sucked (Keefe), the cap management sucks (Shanahan and his puppet GMs) and Tavares has been underperforming for his contract for years. We are in the years of the contract that Leafs fans believed "won't matter because we'll already have won multiple Cups by then". These are the same fans who today scream "trade Marner". Wrong then, wrong today and probably wrong forever.

You do not give up one of your best players, in the prime of their career, and get further ahead. Matthews, Marner and Nylander are not and should not be going anywhere. Period.

The Leafs have nearly 19 million in cap space. Spend 15 million of it on D and a goalie that doesn't get hurt every 3 games with a coach behind the bench that can make better game altering decisions.

When Tavares is off the books next year, you continue to add value on the blueline without making the same mistake again.
- Rare_Jewel

JT is unmoveable, Marner isn't and has value. He's the 9th highest paid player in the league and doesn't play like one, secondary assists aside.

The tighter a series gets, the big moments, the moments you pay guys top salaries... Marner is never there.

At least JT has potted some playoff game winners in his career here.

Agreed on Keefe. The fact that he's the 5th longest serving coach is pretty insane when you think about it.

But sorry, Marndog is gonzo. 8 years of this is enough.

Hopefully leafs realize they now need to build from backend out
- Fakepartofme

Doesn't have to be back end out, just needs to be back end and front end not just front end for 8 goddamn years.

Here a link to a LAK blogger posted on the Hawks page by LAHawk.

https://hockeyroyalty.com...me-to-get-with-the-times/

The argument could be made that PLD’s sub-par season in LA was due to both his performance and the organization then slotting him at 3C and even 4C. If TOR is looking to move on from Marner - then it should reasonably be a “troubled asset for troubled asset” swap.

PLD has been a problem in two organizations prior to LAK - so caveat emptor, but… a swap of PLD for Marner into a new environment at TOR could be intriguing.
- Chief4Feathers

Change of location for two troubled assets might be the only deal they can get at this point.

Add Lily in a swap for Matt Roy and could work out for both teams.

Change of location for two troubled assets might be the only deal they can get at this point.

Add Lily in a swap for Matt Roy and could work out for both teams.
- underhill14

I still think they need to get a top 4D for Marner, but I wouldn't hate this move either.

Knies Matthews Domi (resigned)
McMann JLD Nylander
Holmberg Tavares Robertson
Dewar Kampf Reaves

Change of location for two troubled assets might be the only deal they can get at this point.

Add Lily in a swap for Matt Roy and could work out for both teams.
- underhill14

We did well with Schenn for JVR.

Haha (frank) vegas!!

Thanks man!! I feel that way too sometimes - but then I realize that I probably just read these things somewhere and I’m promoting them (unknowingly) as my own ideas haha.

I’m sore there are a lot of posters on here who feel (like me) they could build a winner! So, there was a time where I was tempted to go after and chase this dream of mine but I thought better. I may be a passionate hockey fan but a GM HA! I think not.

I appreciate the positivity though Loady especially from a Canucks fan!

If I do decide to pursue this wild dream I will definitely get an agent! Ha there’s no way I’d be able to navigate on my own.

Cheers man!
- Big23Questions

I keep trying to find you on the Wings thread, you're never there.

We want to be rid of overpaid troubled players not take on an 3 extra 5-6 years of one. Better off losing Marner to FA
- jribout

I read somewhere that the kings are considering whether to buy him out or not.

I keep trying to find you on the Wings thread, you're never there.
- golfingsince

A. Creepy - I don’t try to find you anywhere. Ever. It’s weird that you feel that you searching for me somewhere is somehow an insult on me?

B. Not that I owe anyone any sort of explanation, but I have addressed this multiple times before.

C. I’m trying to figure out what obsession dominates you more - Me or the Leafs.

D. Creepy

Hopefully leafs realize they now need to build from backend out
- Fakepartofme

Really worked out for Winnipeg and Nashville.

There is no magic formula is my point.

Really worked out for Winnipeg and Nashville.

There is no magic formula is my point.
- Aaron_85

How many years did they rave about Nashville and that great defense? lol

Really worked out for Winnipeg and Nashville.
- Aaron_85

That was shocking man. I can’t believe Helly struggled like that. And their d too. In Nashville I will say that team was kinda the Caps of the West in a way. Not a bad team but certainly a bubble team that went in a heater at the perfect time to jump in standings - so I actually felt Canucks would dust them in 4/5. Canucks are a far better built team than Nashville.

At the same time I still do personally feel defensive wins championship - I subscribe to that old thought you know…but this does show anything can happen right

That was shocking man. I can’t believe Helly struggled like that. And their d too. In Nashville I will say that team was kinda the Caps of the West in a way. Not a bad team but certainly a bubble team that went in a heater at the perfect time to jump in standings - so I actually felt Canucks would dust them in 4/5. Canucks are a far better built team than Nashville.

At the same time I still do personally feel defensive wins championship - I subscribe to that old thought you know…but this does show anything can happen right
- Big23Questions

A bunch of top goalies were outed in the first round. Not overly their fault mind you but it happens. I thought Woll and to a lesser degree Sammy was good enough to win round 1.

1 for 21 on the PP is pretty much all anyone has to know.

A bunch of top goalies were outed in the first round. Not overly their fault mind you but it happens. I thought Woll and to a lesser degree Sammy was good enough to win round 1.

1 for 21 on the PP is pretty much all anyone has to know.
- Aaron_85

Ya who knows right. I don’t think it was one thing that cause Leafs loss here. It definitely was a number - injuries, ghost superstars (91/16/44), PP for sure and more.
I do agree that though Sammy didn’t play really well - he also didn’t play bad. Will played really well in his appearances. A save at the right time always changes the series. Maybe Sammy was guilty there and a couple softies but I never felt he was terrible and cost games.

JT is unmoveable, Marner isn't and has value. He's the 9th highest paid player in the league and doesn't play like one, secondary assists aside.

The tighter a series gets, the big moments, the moments you pay guys top salaries... Marner is never there.

At least JT has potted some playoff game winners in his career here.

Agreed on Keefe. The fact that he's the 5th longest serving coach is pretty insane when you think about it.

But sorry, Marndog is gonzo. 8 years of this is enough.
- gravyface

Tavares has 1 year left. They eat it if they have to but the long term solution isn't short term stupidity.

Tavares is a career playoff loser. The Leafs overpaid him for having accomplished literally nothing other than being a 1st overall pick. And he has done nothing as a Leaf to change that fact.

Marner has consistently led the Leafs in assists, points and even playoff scoring. He isn't the problem. Matthews had 1 playoff goal this year. Leafs won more playoff games without him than with him this year. Is he gonna get traded too?

Marner is absolutely not going anywhere and if they let him walk as a UFA, they're even dumber than one could imagine. With Tavares off the books, Marner easily gets an extension and the Leafs still have 8-10 million to spend in other areas when Tavares is gone.

Really worked out for Winnipeg and Nashville.

There is no magic formula is my point.
- Aaron_85

Uh?
Its the formula that usually works. Strong D can cover for weak goaltending and forwards who cant score.
Oh and guess what has never worked?
Half your cap on 4 forwards.

Big strong puck moving defense usually wins.

How many years did they rave about Nashville and that great defense? lol
- shack67

No ones raved about that D for years.
But when they did, its because they were successful.

Uh?
Its the formula that usually works. Strong D can cover for weak goaltending and forwards who cant score.
Oh and guess what has never worked?
Half your cap on 4 forwards.

Big strong puck moving defense usually wins.
- Fakepartofme

Kinda worked in Pittsburgh but they had great goaltending which the Leafs have refused to invest in.

That's what Dubas tried to replicate (probably why he jumped to Pittsburgh) but he forgot the part where they had Fleury and Murray (before he was physically broken).

So Keefe first up to face the media tomorrow.
Management faces media on Thursday - to announce Keefes termination.

So Keefe first up to face the media tomorrow.
Management faces media on Thursday - to announce Keefes termination.
- Woderwick

Leafs never do anything at normal timings.. Bet they leave Keefe twisting for weeks

Leafs never do anything at normal timings.. Bet they leave Keefe twisting for weeks
- Azuredoom

Nothing happens to Keefe until Shanahan is fired.

And that's up to Keith Pelley to decide.

If Shanahan stays, Keefe stays.