Uh?
Its the formula that usually works. Strong D can cover for weak goaltending and forwards who cant score.
Oh and guess what has never worked?
Half your cap on 4 forwards.

Big strong puck moving defense usually wins.
- Fakepartofme

So Caps win with Keumper? Binnington wins with St Louis, Adin Hill wins with Vegas, Jarry wins in Pitts, Chicago wins with Anti Niemi for gods sake. How many vezina's do they all have?

You're simply wrong that you HAVE to build out from the net.

And yeah you need some strong dmen but that wasn't your original point, you're moving goal posts because you were wrong.

So Caps win with Keumper? Binnington wins with St Louis, Adin Hill wins with Vegas, Jarry wins in Pitts, Chicago wins with Anti Niemi for gods sake. How many vezina's do they all have?

You're simply wrong that you HAVE to build out from the net.

And yeah you need some strong dmen but that wasn't your original point, you're moving goal posts because you were wrong.
- Aaron_85

Capitals won the Cup with Holtby (Vezina winner in 2015/2016, Cup in 2017/2018), try again.

How many years were the Blues regular season darlings (like the Leafs)? Why? Because their goalies always sucked in the playoffs. Until they got Binnington in net. And he's still a very good goalie.

Jarry did not win a Cup for Pittsburgh, Fleury (3 times) and Murray won Cups with Pittsburgh sometimes splitting duties. Both amazing goalies when they were in their prime and healthy.

Niemi won 1, Crawford won 2. Crawford was a fantastic goalie for the majority of his career, won 2 Jennings Trophies with a career .918 SV%.

You listed a few of the exceptions, not the rule. You can go down the list of all the other goalies that won Cups in the NHL and the majority of them are fantastic goalies.

And the worse the defense is (like the Leafs), the better the goalie has to be kind of like Patrick Roy in Montreal (or did you think that was Jocelyn Thibault?).

The Leafs can't fix the defense as fast or as cheap as they find a goaltender.

Nothing happens to Keefe until Shanahan is fired.

And that's up to Keith Pelley to decide.

If Shanahan stays, Keefe stays.
- Rare_Jewel

Not true at all.

Do any of you guys watch him play?

Just curious not being shiitty, but a couple of you are NO WAY and I don't get it. I watch the Kings. If he had JT's wingers he'd be a steal at $8.5. He's young too. He's a better version of Sam Bennett.
- underhill14

He sucks.
I watched the kings a couple of times

Not true at all.
- Fakepartofme

Very true.

The Leafs GM (Shanahan) and the Leafs Asst. GM (Treliving) gave Keefe a contract extension until 2025/2026.

Unless the guy at the top gets fired, all his minions below him will stay because he's the one who put them there.

Hope I'm wrong though.

So Caps win with Keumper? Binnington wins with St Louis, Adin Hill wins with Vegas, Jarry wins in Pitts, Chicago wins with Anti Niemi for gods sake. How many vezina's do they all have?

You're simply wrong that you HAVE to build out from the net.

And yeah you need some strong dmen but that wasn't your original point, you're moving goal posts because you were wrong.
- Aaron_85

Wtf are you talking about?
I said from backend...the D.
I didnt say from the net out.

Learn to read.
So youre wrong....piss off

Very true.

The Leafs GM (Shanahan) and the Leafs Asst. GM (Treliving) gave Keefe a contract extension until 2025/2026.

Unless the guy at the top gets fired, all his minions below him will stay because he's the one who put them there.

Hope I'm wrong though.
- Rare_Jewel

Tre will bring in his own coach.
Keefe doesn't survive this.
I dont believe shanahan has to hold on to keefe.

At least he better not.

Tre will bring in his own coach.
Keefe doesn't survive this.
I dont believe shanahan has to hold on to keefe.

At least he better not.
- Fakepartofme

If Treliving was going to do that, he would have done it last year. He didn't. He interviewed him, tickled his balls in the media with compliments and gave him an extension.

Keefe is Treliving's guy because Shanahan told him he's his guy.

If Treliving was going to do that, he would have done it last year. He didn't. He interviewed him, tinkled his balls in the media with compliments and gave him an extension.

Keefe is Treliving's guy because Shanahan told him he's his guy.

The only reason he got rid of Dubas was because Dubas wanted to run the team without Shanahan pulling strings. Shanahan said no and then said bye-bye.
- Rare_Jewel

Not at all.
Tre wasnt going to use his first bullet within the first couple of months on the job. Specially afterthe leafs finally won a round.
I agree, there was no need to extend him, but keefe wasnt going to accept a 1 year deal and apparently having a lame duck coach would be too distracting throughout the season

Tavares has 1 year left. They eat it if they have to but the long term solution isn't short term stupidity.

Tavares is a career playoff loser. The Leafs overpaid him for having accomplished literally nothing other than being a 1st overall pick. And he has done nothing as a Leaf to change that fact.

Marner has consistently led the Leafs in assists, points and even playoff scoring. He isn't the problem. Matthews had 1 playoff goal this year. Leafs won more playoff games without him than with him this year. Is he gonna get traded too?

Marner is absolutely not going anywhere and if they let him walk as a UFA, they're even dumber than one could imagine. With Tavares off the books, Marner easily gets an extension and the Leafs still have 8-10 million to spend in other areas when Tavares is gone.
- Rare_Jewel

Tavares is a career playoff loser but Mitch isn't?

What had Mitch accomplished in the post season?

Their stats are a LOT closer than you suggest.

Not at all.
Tre wasnt going to use his first bullet within the first couple of months on the job. Specially afterthe leafs finally won a round.
I agree, there was no need to extend him, but keefe wasnt going to accept a 1 year deal and apparently having a lame duck coach would be too distracting throughout the season
- Fakepartofme

It's not a bullet when he freshly took over the team. Winning a round wasn't the goal. What's the difference between being a lame duck coach and getting fired if you lose in the 1st round?

Treliving could have started from day 1 with his own guy. He was told he wasn't allowed to. Because Shanahan runs the team, not Treliving. He's just there to do the paperwork, just like Dubas was before him.

It's not a bullet when he freshly took over the team. Winning a round wasn't the goal. What's the difference between being a lame duck coach and getting fired if you lose in the 1st round?

Treliving could have started from day 1 with his own guy. He was told he wasn't allowed to. Because Shanahan runs the team, not Treliving. He's just there to do the paperwork, just like Dubas was before him.
- Rare_Jewel

Sure he could have but just because he didnt doesnt mean he wont fire keefe now

Tavares is a career playoff loser but Mitch isn't?

What had Mitch accomplished in the post season?

Their stats are a LOT closer than you suggest.
- Nasty_Duck

Tavares missed the playoffs in 6 out of 9 years in Long Island. Won 1 playoff round. In 9 years, Tavares had 11 goals, 22 points in 24 games for the Islanders.

Marner has never missed the playoffs and has led the Leafs in playoff points since his first season. From 2016/2017 to 2023/2024, Marner has 11 goals and 50 points in 57 playoff games. That's more points than Matthews, Nylander and Tavares over that same period of time by the way. Tavares has 24 points in 38 playoff games as a Leaf, clearly way behind Marner in what should have been his prime years.

So Marner never missed the playoffs and has more than twice as many points in 1 less year by the same age of comparison. Won only 1 round is the similarity. But it's not his fault just the same as Matthews isn't to blame for having 23 goals and 48 points in 55 games over the same period of time. Leafs would be just as stupid to trade him because of having only won one round.

The problem with the Leafs is a combination of factors. Playing in a division which almost always produces a team that either wins the Cup or goes to the Cup Finals doesn't help. 4 out of the last 5 Cup Finalists from the East beat the Leafs in the 1st round. It's not an easy division. And the Leafs do not know how to build a balanced team on defense because of the cap space they WASTED on Tavares, not Marner or Matthews.

Honestly no idea what Rielly and Marner were doing on that OT goal. Completely lost
- PlatosRepucklic

Samsanov should have played the puck, pure and simple

At this point its time for Tre to put his stamp on the team really. Coming in late, he wasnt going to be able to do a whole lot. This offseason... well now things get interesting.

Shanny's fate comes down to Pelley. I'd say 60/40 odds he is back and not fired but have to think there is some pressure put on him.

Tre isnt going anywhere. Time to remake the team.

Keefe? 90/10 he gets pink slipped. Its very clear he cant prepare and motivate this team any further. His getting outcoached and questionable decision making alone he should have already been gone. Not to mention the supposed strategy/gameplan/systems have routinely failed especially when it matters most. Roster remake and all new bench and voice/vision.

While at it lets get some better trainers and a way better arena cleaning crew. How the flu bug kept goin through the team was borderline rediculous.

As for the roster...

If you could trade him, I would move Marner. But odds are you cant and really you keep the big 3. Which means looking at JT. The easiest route is buyout that last year. Savings you re up with Bert and Domi. Not sure I wouldnt try to move on from Kampf too. The defence you let go the old slow guys and even Edmundson with the bad back. Keep Boosh. But I'd move out Rielly. Its time. Far as net, re-up Jones as third string depth. Go look for a capable starter and Woll settles in as 1B till he shows he will stay healthy.

Need some significant change especially from the defence/net here.


See what happens.

Samsanov should have played the puck, pure and simple
- LFS

He'd have to be psychic to play that puck with the way it bounced.

Samsonov sucks but that OT goal was just pure luck.

The Lindholm tying goal however, that he could have absolutely stopped if he knew how to properly position himself.

Samsanov should have played the puck, pure and simple
- LFS

You should stop pretending you understand what happens on the ice - plain and you’re simple.

Go ⭐️

He'd have to be psychic to play that puck with the way it bounced.

Samsonov sucks but that OT goal was just pure luck.

The Lindholm tying goal however, that he could have absolutely stopped if he knew how to properly position himself.
- Rare_Jewel

There were a few issues there to me:

- Marner (the biggest issue) letting Bostons best player just breeze by him and have a straight uncontested lane to puck/net

- Rielly not focusing and engaging quick enough

- Samsonov was sitting on the goal line. He should be there as bounces have played a role up to that point - but he needed to either use stick to challenge puck or come out challenge Pasta he didn’t do either

JT pressured the dump he’s fine
Willy was in the mid space taking lanes
Boosh was also gapping up if they came in on rush.

Marner
Rielly
Sammy

There were a few issues there to me:

- Marner (the biggest issue) letting Bostons best player just breeze by him and have a straight uncontested lane to puck/net



- Rielly not focusing and engaging quick enough



- Samsonov was sitting on the goal line. He should be there as bounces have played a role up to that point - but he needed to either use stick to challenge puck or come out challenge Pasta he didn’t do either

JT pressured the dump he’s fine
Willy was in the mid space taking lanes
Boosh was also gapping up if they came in on rush.

Marner
Rielly
Sammy
- Big23Questions

Go watch the replay again and take the biased glasses off this time. A classic example of "find a scapegoat and blame". I could scapegoat Nylander and say he was just sitting there puck watching doing nothing watching the play standing still like his controller disconnected. Why is Tavares on his own side of the red line and not closer to Lindholm, trying to block or prevent the dump? It's equally ridiculous.

Marner had just jumped onto the ice and Pasta was doing a loop in at full speed (purposefully behind Marner) that he could not be caught without taking a penalty. You're saying Marner should have taken an interference penalty in OT vs a team with a damn near 50% PP success rate? Because just like everything else he would have been blamed for that too.

That bounce was completely unpredictable. Rielly would have to be psychic to get to that puck "quick" enough by turning around to go after the puck before it had even been dumped into the zone.

Again, if Samsonov was going to come out of his net, he'd be behind the net to cut off the puck from going around and Pasta would have had a tap in. If he tries to come out of his net and play the puck, he either loses the race or misses because he usually sucks at playing the puck anyway. His strong suit is to stay in the net and make a save especially when the puck is coming from a diagonal dump that hit the restricted area boards where he can't even touch the puck.

There was nothing anybody was going to do on that play. They had a set play, they got a bounce it went straight to their best player and he scored. End of story.

Go watch the replay again and take the biased glasses off this time. A classic example of "find a scapegoat and blame". I could scapegoat Nylander and say he was just sitting there puck watching doing nothing watching the play standing still like his controller disconnected. Why is Tavares on his own side of the red line and not closer to Lindholm, trying to block or prevent the dump? It's equally ridiculous.

Marner had just jumped onto the ice and Pasta was doing a loop in at full speed (purposefully behind Marner) that he could not be caught without taking a penalty. You're saying Marner should have taken an interference penalty in OT vs a team with a damn near 50% PP success rate? Because just like everything else he would have been blamed for that too.

That bounce was completely unpredictable. Rielly would have to be psychic to get to that puck "quick" enough by turning around to go after the puck before it had even been dumped into the zone.

Again, if Samsonov was going to come out of his net, he'd be behind the net to cut off the puck from going around and Pasta would have had a tap in. If he tries to come out of his net and play the puck, he either loses the race or misses because he usually sucks at playing the puck anyway. His strong suit is to stay in the net and make a save especially when the puck is coming from a diagonal dump that hit the restricted area boards where he can't even touch the puck.

There was nothing anybody was going to do on that play. They had a set play, they got a bounce it went straight to their best player and he scored. End of story.
- Rare_Jewel

Or!…..

- NHL player Marner takes a peek over his shoulder and paces his man into through the neutral and into dzone

- NHL Dman Rielly could have reacted a tad quicker than a sloth

- NHL goalie Samsonov doesn’t just sit on the goal line as deep in the net as you can possibly be.

Or you’re right and if the Bs just run this a couple times a games the opposing players will have no choice bu surrender the goal end of story.

Honestly man - how can you watch the replay see Pasta 2 strides towards his own dzone then be right beside Mitch then just past Mitch and think: there is nothing this NHLer Marner could do.

Nothing happens to Keefe until Shanahan is fired.

And that's up to Keith Pelley to decide.

If Shanahan stays, Keefe stays.
- Rare_Jewel

So basically roll it back... at some point, you have to stop banging your head against the wall.

Marner's gone, Keefe's gone, possibly even Tree. Full house clean-out. Let's go.

Go watch the replay again and take the biased glasses off this time. A classic example of "find a scapegoat and blame". I could scapegoat Nylander and say he was just sitting there puck watching doing nothing watching the play standing still like his controller disconnected. Why is Tavares on his own side of the red line and not closer to Lindholm, trying to block or prevent the dump? It's equally ridiculous.

Marner had just jumped onto the ice and Pasta was doing a loop in at full speed (purposefully behind Marner) that he could not be caught without taking a penalty. You're saying Marner should have taken an interference penalty in OT vs a team with a damn near 50% PP success rate? Because just like everything else he would have been blamed for that too.

That bounce was completely unpredictable. Rielly would have to be psychic to get to that puck "quick" enough by turning around to go after the puck before it had even been dumped into the zone.

Again, if Samsonov was going to come out of his net, he'd be behind the net to cut off the puck from going around and Pasta would have had a tap in. If he tries to come out of his net and play the puck, he either loses the race or misses because he usually sucks at playing the puck anyway. His strong suit is to stay in the net and make a save especially when the puck is coming from a diagonal dump that hit the restricted area boards where he can't even touch the puck.

There was nothing anybody was going to do on that play. They had a set play, they got a bounce it went straight to their best player and he scored. End of story.
- Rare_Jewel

run it back guy

So Keefe first up to face the media tomorrow.
Management faces media on Thursday - to announce Keefes termination.
- Woderwick

Management could mean Keith Pelley. Could also be the end of Shanahan. It's his failed plan.

Very true.

The Leafs GM (Shanahan) and the Leafs Asst. GM (Treliving) gave Keefe a contract extension until 2025/2026.

Unless the guy at the top gets fired, all his minions below him will stay because he's the one who put them there.

Hope I'm wrong though.
- Rare_Jewel

You know that Shanahan is the President, right? Tree is the GM, and he makes the decisions on personnel.