A Marner for Dobson trade would be the kind of deal they should be looking for.
Leaves room to add another winger at around 5mil. Money better spent.

Re-sign Domi to play with AM

A Marner for Dobson trade would be the kind of deal they should be looking for.
Leaves room to add another winger at around 5mil. Money better spent.

Re-sign Domi to play with AM
- senstroll

Id like to see a Marner plus for Theodore and hertl....but i dont see vegas doing that.
Also trade Marner out west....we know how much success former leafs player have post leafs career and how well they do against their former team

Marner is not going to waive his NMC. I only give it a 50% chance Shanahan is fired, and if he isn't, only a 25% chance Keefe is fired. 100% chance Keefe is gone if Shanahan is gone.

Big summer story will again just revolve around Marner's extension. To me the best move for Marner is to sign an extension with same cap hit, for a shorter term. That would help a little with the fans (not asking for a big raise), and give both him and the team a possible way out a few seasons down the road. However, I assume his agent/dad will be gunning for a bigger payday, but someone has to read the room a little I would hope. These negotiations will go a long way to showing how much Marner wants to be a Leaf and actually succeed in this market.

Another possiblity is Marner's camp simply closes the door on summer negotiations, and he attempts to do what Nylander did, show up with a monster first 1/2 of a season to get his big raise.

You wanna blame someone for the loss....here you go.

https://twitter.com/Adjus...xP5Q-7eCimRs2noVr2Qg&s=19

You wanna blame someone for the loss....here you go.

https://twitter.com/Adjus...xP5Q-7eCimRs2noVr2Qg&s=19
- Fakepartofme

its wild the Leafs lost in gm7 OT with a crazy PP/PK differential like that.

hard to believe it game down to 1 goal

Marner is not going to waive his NMC. I only give it a 50% chance Shanahan is fired, and if he isn't, only a 25% chance Keefe is fired. 100% chance Keefe is gone if Shanahan is gone.

Big summer story will again just revolve around Marner's extension. To me the best move for Marner is to sign an extension with same cap hit, for a shorter term. That would help a little with the fans (not asking for a big raise), and give both him and the team a possible way out a few seasons down the road. However, I assume his agent/dad will be gunning for a bigger payday, but someone has to read the room a little I would hope. These negotiations will go a long way to showing how much Marner wants to be a Leaf and actually succeed in this market.

Another possiblity is Marner's camp simply closes the door on summer negotiations, and he attempts to do what Nylander did, show up with a monster first 1/2 of a season to get his big raise.
- vermie22

if he tries to pull some nonsense ..again. (I now a lot of it is fan fiction) but it doesnt matter. the perception is...Greedy Mitch. fair or not...its going to get bad for him..

if he tries to pull some nonsense ..again. (I now a lot of it is fan fiction) but it doesnt matter. the perception is...Greedy Mitch. fair or not...its going to get bad for him..
- senstroll

Has he given any indication that he cares?

Marner is not going to waive his NMC. I only give it a 50% chance Shanahan is fired, and if he isn't, only a 25% chance Keefe is fired. 100% chance Keefe is gone if Shanahan is gone.

Big summer story will again just revolve around Marner's extension. To me the best move for Marner is to sign an extension with same cap hit, for a shorter term. That would help a little with the fans (not asking for a big raise), and give both him and the team a possible way out a few seasons down the road. However, I assume his agent/dad will be gunning for a bigger payday, but someone has to read the room a little I would hope. These negotiations will go a long way to showing how much Marner wants to be a Leaf and actually succeed in this market.

Another possiblity is Marner's camp simply closes the door on summer negotiations, and he attempts to do what Nylander did, show up with a monster first 1/2 of a season to get his big raise.
- vermie22

I agree about Marner and Shanahan. Pelley will decide on what is best for solidifying his position with the Board and will need to have a credible replacement. Keefe is gone under any scenario. It’s the one easy way they have to show that they’re committed to winning, yada, yada

Go watch the replay again and take the biased glasses off this time. A classic example of "find a scapegoat and blame". I could scapegoat Nylander and say he was just sitting there puck watching doing nothing watching the play standing still like his controller disconnected. Why is Tavares on his own side of the red line and not closer to Lindholm, trying to block or prevent the dump? It's equally ridiculous.

Marner had just jumped onto the ice and Pasta was doing a loop in at full speed (purposefully behind Marner) that he could not be caught without taking a penalty. You're saying Marner should have taken an interference penalty in OT vs a team with a damn near 50% PP success rate? Because just like everything else he would have been blamed for that too.

That bounce was completely unpredictable. Rielly would have to be psychic to get to that puck "quick" enough by turning around to go after the puck before it had even been dumped into the zone.

Again, if Samsonov was going to come out of his net, he'd be behind the net to cut off the puck from going around and Pasta would have had a tap in. If he tries to come out of his net and play the puck, he either loses the race or misses because he usually sucks at playing the puck anyway. His strong suit is to stay in the net and make a save especially when the puck is coming from a diagonal dump that hit the restricted area boards where he can't even touch the puck.

There was nothing anybody was going to do on that play. They had a set play, they got a bounce it went straight to their best player and he scored. End of story.
- Rare_Jewel

you have a lotta answers... even to questions no one has asked. Opinions - that's cool.

purely out of curiousity - what's your take on why the powerplay completely poop the bed? Does Marner get a complete clean bill of health on that one as well?

its wild the Leafs lost in gm7 OT with a crazy PP/PK differential like that.

hard to believe it game down to 1 goal
- senstroll

I've been harping on this for months. The PK was terrible all year and the PP was so inconsistent.

Fire the coaches and change the personel. 5v5 this team was as good as most of the ones that progressed ....special teams were historically (frank)ed and it wasn't the first time special teams has been the primary reason for failure.

Blue liners that can shot the puck (and are good at hockey) should be the priority.

I don't see MM being dealt. I assume we hear today that he was struggling with the ankle ..blah blah. I mean if a team is willing to part with a top pairing dman then sure, make it happen, but I don't think it happens. Last summer Tree said he had talked about moving 88 and there just wasn't any significant interest.

Tree has security and with JT only having one more year ...they'll do what they can with what they have this year (which is actually not too bad ~18M) and then they'll be able to do something more significant next year.

A Marner for Dobson trade would be the kind of deal they should be looking for.
Leaves room to add another winger at around 5mil. Money better spent.

Re-sign Domi to play with AM
- senstroll

It is but hard to see where that deal is. Dobson as a young top pair RHD signed to a decent number is a unicorn. I doubt the isles have interest in Marner with Barzal locked in and why would Marner waive to go there.

Where else are you finding a player like Dobson where there's a fit.

If Hronek makes it to market, Treliving should be all over him.

It's absolutely batpoop insane that anyone would look at Guy Boucher's resume and put him in charge of a powerplay.

Not to mention Tavares has two career OT playoff series winners.

I’m not the biggest Tavares supporter but he’s far from the reason Toronto lost. Yes he’s getting paid more than he’s worth now but we all knew that when he signed his deal. We just hoped there would have been a couple great playoff runs between then and now.
- Kinger34

He's a bigger part of the problem than you credit in the sense that not only is he massively underperforming in relation to his contract, but his cap hit is crippling what management can do with the rest of the roster.

Has he given any indication that he cares?
- Canada Cup

cares about what?

You wanna blame someone for the loss....here you go.

https://twitter.com/Adjus...xP5Q-7eCimRs2noVr2Qg&s=19
- Fakepartofme

yes, the special teams have let the Leafs down

It's absolutely batpoop insane that anyone would look at Guy Boucher's resume and put him in charge of a powerplay.
- GalacticStone

Ding. Ding. Ding

It is but hard to see where that deal is. Dobson as a young top pair RHD signed to a decent number is a unicorn. I doubt the isles have interest in Marner with Barzal locked in and why would Marner waive to go there.

Where else are you finding a player like Dobson where there's a fit.

If Hronek makes it to market, Treliving should be all over him.
- joel878

Dobson isn't going anywhere.

cares about what?
- senstroll

Public perception about how he negotiates

It's absolutely batpoop insane that anyone would look at Guy Boucher's resume and put him in charge of a powerplay.
- GalacticStone

Agreed completely. The one thing this guy is known for is playing an on-steroid version of a neutral zone trap. Idiotic.

I don't get how there is even a conversation about Keefe and his staff. Who in the blue (frank) does Sheldon have pictures of?

It's the same poop over and over and over despite continuos roster turnover. Some of that is having the same rotten core, but the coaching issues continue year in year out.

I used to argue with Santo about this a lot and tell him that I was quite confident the he could coach this team to similar regular season results, and probably have *better* playoff results.

Coaches getting fired all over the league, yet some people think we should run this (frank)ing staff back AGAIN?

😵‍💫🔫

EF says Keefe is likely gone

Big 4 days are over and will have a conversation with Marner on seeing if he wants to be here anymore

They don’t want a president anymore

Most likely, only keefe is gone.
For sure tre wont be fired and concerning marner, unless he wants to go, hes not going.
- Fakepartofme

If they ask him to leave, present him with an offer for another team, he's going to take it. He's not going to stick around if they're asking him to leave.

It is but hard to see where that deal is. Dobson as a young top pair RHD signed to a decent number is a unicorn. I doubt the isles have interest in Marner with Barzal locked in and why would Marner waive to go there.

Where else are you finding a player like Dobson where there's a fit.

If Hronek makes it to market, Treliving should be all over him.
- joel878

Theodore in vegas would be a good add.
Not sure vegas would want to move him though.

EF says Keefe is likely gone

Big 4 days are over and will have a conversation with Marner on seeing if he wants to be here anymore

They don’t want a president anymore
- Santo_44

Big 4 days are over depending on Marner’s response

you have a lotta answers... even to questions no one has asked. Opinions - that's cool.

purely out of curiousity - what's your take on why the powerplay completely poop the bed? Does Marner get a complete clean bill of health on that one as well?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Never said anyting about giving Marner a pass, just stating that the fan's feelings and screams for change will likely fall on deaf ears. He has 100% control and can stuff his ears with his 59 million in career earnings thus far and pretend that everythign is perfect. The only way he can show that he does listen and care about Leafs winning is to not ask for a raise, but his agent isn't going to do that uless Marner demands it.

If they ask him to leave, present him with an offer for another team, he's going to take it. He's not going to stick around if they're asking him to leave.
- gravyface

Agreed, if it's a location he's good with.