yeah but he sucks at D thats why he gets yanked. The other 2 are apparently good at team D to begin with. Cowan likely C for the world junior team at current pace
- drexel

Oh they're both looking like good prospects moving forward. Just saying that it might take a few years while the Leafs are trying to win yesterday.

But hey, there's always young players that manage to surprise and make the jump faster than other so who knows.

New coach: Joel Quenneville

And a new goalie. Woll simply can't be trusted to stay healthy. As great as he was when he was playing, he screwed us twice this year with injuries. Not his fault but if he keeps getting hurt, you need another option.

Given how limited the Leafs are with cap space (unless they can dump Tavares), I think their only cheap options would be Cam Talbot as a UFA or Logan Thompson as a trade option.

Logan Thompson is a 1 year 700K deal and becomes a UFA. You could catch lightning in a bottle for a mid round pick.
- Rare_Jewel

Disagree on Q, screw that guy. I hope he never coaches in the NHL again.

And that makes JT a playoff loser?
In his career JT has more than 2x the number of playoff goals than Marner does.

You can't call JT a playoff loser without including Marner in that.
- Nasty_Duck

Now now, let's all get along.

They are both losers ok?

Depends what type of D. Usually players get paid more to score goals and points, for example, Klingberg got paid multiple times because he scores points but can't play D for poop.

But if you're looking for defensive, low scoring RHD like Pesce and/or DeMelo, I doubt they get more than between 3.5 - 4.5 AAV. Which would be less than what Brodie was getting, for example.

The Leafs have almost 19 million in cap space. If they sign Pesce and DeMelo for 9 AAV combined, they'd still have 10 million left over to keep Domi and add another top-six forward and/or a goalie.
- Rare_Jewel

Pesce signed for over $4M back in 2017.

He'll cost $6M at a minimum I'd say.

NHL.com

https://www.nhl.com/stats...gainst&page=0&pageSize=50
- Rare_Jewel

oh ok. includes empty net stats. which I dont care about..in this case.

I think Dmen are going to come at a HUGE premium this offseason. Your lineup looks a lot like just running it back again, but if they can pick up a couple of stud dmen, it may work out.

I really hope Timmins gets more of a shot, not sure why he hasn't yet. I love how he moves the puck, and I think with more time the rest of his game rounds into form.
- Whipper

Whoa ..that's not 'my lineup' ..that's what exists right now. Those are the guys currently signed (or easy re-ups like Dewar). That's the foundation that Tree has to improve and my point was he's got $17.5M to improve on it.

Ignoring trades ..he needs a goalie and 3 blueliners to ice a team. He could go light on the blueline and upgrade the forwards or he could go light up top and spend big on a pair of d'men.

I think he'll measure the options. He's got term so he's got time.

Gio joins coaching staff 👍

Berube
Boudreau
Gio

Disagree on Q, screw that guy. I hope he never coaches in the NHL again.
- Whipper

If it were me, I’d give him a second chance.
Great things can come from those who have made mistakes but have been given the opportunity to make amends, and obviously I am not just talking about a hockey coach here.

I should add…I know this wouldn’t be a simple process.

And that makes JT a playoff loser?
In his career JT has more than 2x the number of playoff goals than Marner does.

You can't call JT a playoff loser without including Marner in that.
- Nasty_Duck

If Marner was 34 right now, yes. But he isn't. He's 26. Just like Matthews' best years are still ahead of him. And Nylander too. They aren't in the same category as Tavares.

Just like if you look up the difference in playoff points and success between Yzerman's first 8 seasons and the next 8 seasons after that.

83/84-89/90

39 games, 19 goals, 47 points -17

90/91-98/99

113 games, 45 goals, 107 points +8

And again, Marner, for the first 8 years of his career has more than twice as many playoff points than Tavares had (more than Matthews and Nylander too by the way).

Tavares is older. His prime has come and gone (26-34). Marner hasn't reached that point yet. From 26-34, there is another 8 years for Marner to prove what Tavares couldn't.

If the logic is that Marner needs to be traded, then Matthews and Nylander have to be traded too and the entire team needs to tank again.

Depends what type of D. Usually players get paid more to score goals and points, for example, Klingberg got paid multiple times because he scores points but can't play D for poop.

But if you're looking for defensive, low scoring RHD like Pesce and/or DeMelo, I doubt they get more than between 3.5 - 4.5 AAV. Which would be less than what Brodie was getting, for example.

The Leafs have almost 19 million in cap space. If they sign Pesce and DeMelo for 9 AAV combined, they'd still have 10 million left over to keep Domi and add another top-six forward and/or a goalie.
- Rare_Jewel

I don't think so man. Pesce probably starts with a 6 ...and DeMelo a 5. The Leafs need a dman or two that can shoot off the rush and on the PP and defend. Time to pay.

Disagree on Q, screw that guy. I hope he never coaches in the NHL again.
- Whipper

People deserve 2nd chances and he has 3 Cups. Absolutely best person for the job.

Whoa ..that's not 'my lineup' ..that's what exists right now. Those are the guys currently signed (or easy re-ups like Dewar). That's the foundation that Tree has to improve and my point was he's got $17.5M to improve on it.

Ignoring trades ..he needs a goalie and 3 blueliners to ice a team. He could go light on the blueline and upgrade the forwards or he could go light up top and spend big on a pair of d'men.

I think he'll measure the options. He's got term so he's got time.
- The Law

re-sign Jones.

Just saw this on Twitter, not sure if it's satire or not....Keefe is out and Phaneuf is in.

Pesce signed for over $4M back in 2017.

He'll cost $6M at a minimum I'd say.
- golfingsince

I don't think so man. Pesce probably starts with a 6 ...and DeMelo a 5. The Leafs need a dman or two that can shoot off the rush and on the PP and defend. Time to pay.
- The Law

Doesn't score enough points. The shutdown, low scoring D didn't get that last year and probably won't this year. Always the chance somebody does something stupid but 6 AAV isn't what a 15-20 point D usually gets.

Just saw this on Twitter, not sure if it's satire or not....Keefe is out and Phaneuf is in.
- GalacticStone

LOL

re-sign Jones.
- drexel

Ya, him and another vet in the mix I think.

I'd re-sign Eddie too if he's not looking for a big payday.

If Marner was 34 right now, yes. But he isn't. He's 26. Just like Matthews' best years are still ahead of him. And Nylander too. They aren't in the same category as Tavares.

Just like if you look up the difference in playoff points and success between Yzerman's first 8 seasons and the next 8 seasons after that.

83/84-89/90

39 games, 19 goals, 47 points -17

90/91-98/99

113 games, 45 goals, 107 points +8

And again, Marner, for the first 8 years of his career has more than twice as many playoff points than Tavares had (more than Matthews and Nylander too by the way).

Tavares is older. His prime has come and gone (26-34). Marner hasn't reached that point yet. From 26-34, there is another 8 years for Marner to prove what Tavares couldn't.

If the logic is that Marner needs to be traded, then Matthews and Nylander have to be traded too and the entire team needs to tank again.
- Rare_Jewel

Marner is 27

Ya, him and another vet in the mix I think.

I'd re-sign Eddie too if he's not looking for a big payday.
- The Law

That was a sad part of these playoffs.
Eddie was in key scoring positions more than any other Leaf D. That doesn’t seem right to me.

Marner is 27
- senstroll

I hope he enjoyed his party yesterday

People deserve 2nd chances and he has 3 Cups. Absolutely best person for the job.
- Rare_Jewel

I agree Jewel.

Not sure why people think any of the situation was Q's fault. If anything, I'm guessing he kinda said "(frank) this poop right now, I trying to coach the team in the playoffs an if a big hockey dude is getting sexually harassed by a tiny little goofy doctor he should man up or call the cops. I'll deal with it later, but kinda a cop or HR thing".

I get that maybe he should taken it more seriously or not lie about his GAF meter but FFS everyone isn't Superman.

And yes, he deserves second chance for sure.

If it were me, I’d give him a second chance.
Great things can come from those who have made mistakes but have been given the opportunity to make amends, and obviously I am not just talking about a hockey coach here.

I should add…I know this wouldn’t be a simple process.
- Woderwick

The Toronto media would never let it die. He would be better off in a smaller market rather than the circus of leafland.

Doesn't score enough points. The shutdown, low scoring D didn't get that last year and probably won't this year. Always the chance somebody does something stupid but 6 AAV isn't what a 15-20 point D usually gets.
- Rare_Jewel

The NHL gave Chiarot 4 x 4.75 ...I wouldn't be so optimistic about July 1st. Ekholm, Gavrikov, Sanheim, ....these guys all gettin' north of 5.5 or 6. With the Cap going up so will the AAV's.

Final details are still being worked on. Indications are Travis Green will be the next head coach of the Ottawa Senators.

k..why?
looks like a coach I wouldnt want for the Leafs is off the board

If we're fixing the D we need at least one that can smash a slap shot from the point, especially on the PP.

Want to fix the PP, adding that threat with the rest would be a sage move.

Aren't Marner and Tavares both coming off the books after next season?

If so, in a worst case, they both walk and the Leafs get almost $22m in cap space. That cap space is just as good as a bunch of middling picks, prospects, or other teams rejected middle-sixers.

Those who are dead set on breaking up the Beatles, just wait on more agonizing season and two of them are gone.