I hope he enjoyed his party yesterday
- drexel

he got himself an extra long summer off for his birthday

That was a sad part of these playoffs.
Eddie was in key scoring positions more than any other Leaf D. That doesn’t seem right to me.
- Woderwick

Totally. Begs some concern about a guy like Lilly.

Marner is 27
- senstroll

Oh guess his career is over.

Aren't Marner and Tavares both coming off the books after next season?

If so, in a worst case, they both walk and the Leafs get almost $22m in cap space. That cap space is just as good as a bunch of middling picks, prospects, or other teams rejected middle-sixers.

Those who are dead set on breaking up the Beatles, just wait on more agonizing season and two of them are gone.
- GalacticStone

wait are you trying to make Cap space + nothing better than Cap space + picks and prospects?

The Toronto media would never let it die. He would be better off in a smaller market rather than the circus of leafland.
- shack67

Not sure that’s a bad thing. That’s where Q could start to make a difference - through the media. The media is pretty simple in their desire to find a story, good or bad.

Oh guess his career is over.
- Rare_Jewel

oh good.. you are that guy

wait are you trying to make Cap space + nothing better than Cap space + picks and prospects?
- senstroll

No, but actually moving them for a good return is not going to be easy. So, in the worst case scenario, they are both gone sooner than later. Ideally, you want to get assets back for them. I worded it badly.

The Toronto media would never let it die. He would be better off in a smaller market rather than the circus of leafland.
- shack67

Toronto sports media owns the (frank)ing team.

Media loves pushing agendas. Would be the easiest redemption story ever told.

Not sure that’s a bad thing. That’s where Q could start to make a difference - through the media. The media is pretty simple in their desire to find a story, good or bad.
- Woderwick

You might be right, but I can picture Steve Simmons asking him embarrassing questions and writing hit pieces non stop.

Totally. Begs some concern about a guy like Lilly.
- The Law

I liked Lilly before this year, and especially before these playoffs. I would hate to see how he would have performed against Florida.
I should rephrase that. I WOULD have liked to see how he would have performed against Florida this round.

If Marner was 34 right now, yes. But he isn't. He's 26. Just like Matthews' best years are still ahead of him. And Nylander too. They aren't in the same category as Tavares.

Just like if you look up the difference in playoff points and success between Yzerman's first 8 seasons and the next 8 seasons after that.

83/84-89/90

39 games, 19 goals, 47 points -17

90/91-98/99

113 games, 45 goals, 107 points +8

And again, Marner, for the first 8 years of his career has more than twice as many playoff points than Tavares had (more than Matthews and Nylander too by the way).

Tavares is older. His prime has come and gone (26-34). Marner hasn't reached that point yet. From 26-34, there is another 8 years for Marner to prove what Tavares couldn't.

If the logic is that Marner needs to be traded, then Matthews and Nylander have to be traded too and the entire team needs to tank again.
- Rare_Jewel

Yzerman started having a better supporting cast. For instance, they drafted Konstantinov, Fedorov, Lidstrom and others in 1989. Marner and the Leafs don't have those types of-reinforcements coming.

You might be right, but I can picture Steve Simmons asking him embarrassing questions and writing hit pieces non stop.
- shack67

Q’s a sharp guy, I’m sure he could handle it.
Simmons seems like Vito from Woodbridge. He’s more of a Leaf fan than he would ever admit. He’s just more Bulloty than most.

You might be right, but I can picture Steve Simmons asking him embarrassing questions and writing hit pieces non stop.
- shack67

As I alway say at our planning meetings at work. “Nothing is forever.”

Yzerman started having a better supporting cast. For instance, they drafted Konstantinov, Fedorov, Lidstrom and others in 1989. Marner and the Leafs don't have those types of-reinforcements coming.
- wingz4life

Exactly.

Which is why the Leafs need to start drafting and developing players that aren't lottery pick players. They have one or two but not enough. And definitely none on D.

They have multiple elite players, what they need is to continue to add to the supporting cast.

And coaching. Red Wings added Scotty Bowman. Leafs need a similar upgrade.

Oh guess his career is over.
- Rare_Jewel

as a Leafs ??? perhaps

Both might still need some time before having an impact/ be NHL regulars though.

Just look at Robertson. He's getting there but it took him a few years as a pro.
- Scabeh

No.
They will be our saviours.
We'll expect too much from them and then tear them down when they dont meet our over inflated expectations

oh good.. you are that guy
- senstroll

Umm, youve been that guy many times in here with comments like that.
Lol

Exactly.

Which is why the Leafs need to start drafting and developing players that aren't lottery pick players. They have one or two but not enough. And definitely none on D.

They have multiple elite players, what they need is to continue to add to the supporting cast.

And coaching. Red Wings added Scotty Bowman. Leafs need a similar upgrade.
- Rare_Jewel

hopefully they will stop given those away like candy at Halloween

No.
They will be our saviours.
We'll expect too much from them and then tear them down when they dont meet our over inflated expectations
- Fakepartofme

Give them both $10M+, that'll work.

No.
They will be our saviours.
We'll expect too much from them and then tear them down when they dont meet our over inflated expectations
- Fakepartofme

Too many Gods on this team already, Leafs don't need saviors Fake.

Too many Gods on this team already, Leafs don't need saviors Fake.
- underhill14

I had to do a double take when I heard Mitch say that. This right here is the problem. Self entittled. Him, Melander and Mathews.

One of those 3 HAVE to go. Looks like its going to be Mitch. So be it. I dont think trade JT, but I also dont think anyone has the stones to do it.

Do we try and keep Domi and Bertuzzi?

My list of Leafs who exceeded my expectations this 1st round is not very long.
Guess the results shouldn’t be surprising.
I do think without a doubt - Boston was there for the taking.

Its a great goalie ufa class.

If you like meh goalies.
- Fakepartofme

I think Brossoit might be pretty good

If we're fixing the D we need at least one that can smash a slap shot from the point, especially on the PP.

Want to fix the PP, adding that threat with the rest would be a sage move.
- underhill14

So you want to sign Skjei?

I had to do a double take when I heard Mitch say that. This right here is the problem. Self entittled. Him, Melander and Mathews.

One of those 3 HAVE to go. Looks like its going to be Mitch. So be it. I dont think trade JT, but I also dont think anyone has the stones to do it.

Do we try and keep Domi and Bertuzzi?
- mel_vin

I’m undecided on Bert. He has very limited puck possession skills, he can’t stay on his feet, scoring - 1 goal in the playoffs. He’s going to be 30 next year. I dunno’, it all depends on the $’s for me. Sure he brings more than just scoring, but I’d like to see more from him especially if it’s $5M+.