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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

May 8 @ 9:19 AM ET
I can see it.

I think there will be a run on defenseman pushing him down and I think teams see him as a little one dimensional.

Now that dimension is elite and I would take it at 12.

- J35Bacher


We certainly need a pure goal scorer. The loss of CG still stings a lot.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 8 @ 9:21 AM ET
Looks like all the good young teams are gonna be out west (Hawks, Ducks and Sharks). The door is wide open if the Flyguys don't eff this up!
GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 8 @ 9:21 AM ET
My Way early and probably wrong draft:

SJ - Celebrini
CHI - Demidov
ANA - Levshunov
CLB - Lindstrom
MON - Dckinson
UTA - Silayev
OTT - Buium
SEA - Parekh
CAL - Iginla
NJ - Yakemchuk
BUF - Helenius

PHI - Eiserman

- J35Bacher



I would love that but I doubt we get Eiserman without moving up. Is Ottawa in a rebuild or are they looking to add to
What they have. Maybe move up to them would give us a shot at him or a top d
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 9:21 AM ET
I don't see Eiserman falling that far, he will be picked in the top 10. I mean the guy is the best pure goal scorer in the draft. One of the teams will grab him.
- jd250


Lot of one-dimensional goal scorers have dropped recently: Caufield, Cristall, Kaliyev.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 8 @ 9:25 AM ET
I would love that but I doubt we get Eiserman without moving up. Is Ottawa in a rebuild or are they looking to add to
What they have. Maybe move up to them would give us a shot at him or a top d

- GPerogie


I think Catton could even slide above him.

I could see OTT taking a defender. They might move on from Chychurn so I could see them taking a defender.

I like Farabee and I think he's not been used correctly but would you look to move him if you could get a top pick say from Utah or Ott?

I still think the best move is trading konecny.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 8 @ 9:29 AM ET
if true then why would one of those teams make a trade? what team would you make a trade with to move up and what are you offering.
- hello it's me 2050


the 25o does not operate in a world were common sense is applied
GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 8 @ 9:31 AM ET
I think Catton could even slide above him.

I could see OTT taking a defender. They might move on from Chychurn so I could see them taking a defender.

I like Farabee and I think he's not been used correctly but would you look to move him if you could get a top pick say from Utah or Ott?

I still think the best move is trading konecny.

- J35Bacher


Love tk but this is a good year to fail and move the players for pics. If it’s me Laughton and Tk are moved at the draft get some pics maybe add a pic w Florida’s and try to move up into the top ten still keeping the 12 not greedy or anything 🤣
Tomahawk
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 9:32 AM ET
We certainly need a pure goal scorer. The loss of CG still stings a lot.
- Hextall271


The problem is it takes more than just shooting talent and pure skill to score goals in the NHL.

Does Eiserman have the desire to win puck battles, fight off checks, drive inside, get to the net, etc? Does he have the capacity to learn and adapt? Does he have enough manipulation and intelligence to beat NHL dmen? Is he clutch?

And failing all that, what's his fallback game? If he doesn't pan out as a primary scorer can he be projected as a middle-six? Or will the pick end up a total loss?

All things teams will have to weigh when deciding between him and the other options.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 8 @ 9:32 AM ET
I don't see Eiserman falling that far, he will be picked in the top 10. I mean the guy is the best pure goal scorer in the draft. One of the teams will grab him.
- jd250


Heard that about Caufield as well, before the draft.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 8 @ 9:32 AM ET
I think Catton could even slide above him.

I could see OTT taking a defender. They might move on from Chychurn so I could see them taking a defender.

I like Farabee and I think he's not been used correctly but would you look to move him if you could get a top pick say from Utah or Ott?

I still think the best move is trading konecny.

- J35Bacher
What do folks mean when they say a player hasn't been used correctly? Like, why hasn't Farabee been used correctly? He's been given every chance to succeed as far as I can tell. Do players always get a pass these days or is this just a narrative against Torts?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 8 @ 9:33 AM ET
Would Konecny to Ottawa for #7 make any sense?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 8 @ 9:34 AM ET
Hossa, Matt Boldy, Noah Dobson, Necas, McDonagh, Gary Roberts, Tanguay were 12th-overall picks.

Hopefully the Flyers end up with one of those instead of a Marc Staal or Hugh Jessiman.

They won't be trading this pick.

- Tomahawk

I wouldn't make that bet. I can def see them going the trade route for immediate help
Tomahawk
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 9:35 AM ET
Would Konecny to Ottawa for #7 make any sense?
- landros 2


Would make sense for the Flyers, but not the Sens.
Tomahawk
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Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 9:36 AM ET
I wouldn't make that bet. I can def see them going the trade route for immediate help
- hello it's me 2050


Another Risto?
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 8 @ 9:36 AM ET
The classic tanker lol. It’s about recognizing talent not position of draft pick. Patrick ahead of Makar.

Teams still in playoffs
Fla top scorers
Chucky - 6th overall, traded for him
Verhaeghe - 82nd
Barkov - 2nd
Forsling - 126

Bos
Ratface - 71st
Pasta - 25th
Debrusk - 14th

Car
Jarvis - 13th
Aho - 35th
Guentzel - 77th

NYR
Mikka - 6th
Trocheck - 64th
Laf - 1st

Col
Makar - 4th
Nate - 1st
Mikko - 10th

Dallas
Johnston - 23rd
Miro - 3rd
Robertson - 39th

Van
Boeser - 23rd
Miller - 15th
Hughes - 7th

Ed
Mcdavid - 1st
Leon - 3rd
Bouchard - 10th

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 8 @ 9:37 AM ET
The problem is it takes more than just shooting talent and pure skill to score goals in the NHL.

Does Eiserman have the desire to win puck battles, fight off checks, drive inside, get to the net, etc? Does he have the capacity to learn and adapt? Does he have enough manipulation and intelligence to beat NHL dmen? Is he clutch?

And failing all that, what's his fallback game? If he doesn't pan out as a primary scorer can he be projected as a middle-six? Or will the pick end up a total loss?

All things teams will have to weigh when deciding between him and the other options.

- Tomahawk

most are things you can work on and may not be answered by the draft. Rather take that chance then the safe next scott laughton.

danny doesnt seem to be a risk taker.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
Would Konecny to Ottawa for #7 make any sense?
- landros 2

for the flyers sure....
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
Would Konecny to Ottawa for #7 make any sense?
- landros 2


personally, I do not think tk alone is worth giving up the 7 pick
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
most are things you can work on and may not be answered by the draft. Rather take that chance then the safe next scott laughton.

danny doesnt seem to be a risk taker.

- hello it's me 2050


I don't think you can teach a guy who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder and a desperate work ethic to develop those qualities. That stuff is innate.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 8 @ 9:39 AM ET
Another Risto?
- Tomahawk


maybe

let me clarify someone who is youngish. Like a JD for example.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 8 @ 9:40 AM ET
I don't think you can teach a guy who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder and a desperate work ethic to develop those qualities. That stuff is innate.
- Tomahawk

yes you can teach work ethic if the player is willing. Yes you can also develop that chip on the shoulder imo. Comes with success and other things.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 8 @ 9:41 AM ET
Why I picked the Avs in this series. They smoked the Jets (my dark horse) and I watched most of that series (cause I had good odds on the Jets). Their top players are really on their game right now and that first line is taking over games. I only made it to end of regulation, but not surprised that they won. If the Avs get depth scoring they will be a very tough out. How the hell is Jack Johnson still in this league? It's like Luke Schenn...he was an orange pylon when he was with the Flyers all those years ago and he's still in the league.
- Phillywhiteout


If they get good goaltending I think they win the cup. They have an extra gear that seemingly no other team has.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 9:42 AM ET
yes you can teach work ethic if the player is willing. Yes you can also develop that chip on the shoulder imo. Comes with success and other things.
- hello it's me 2050


Any examples?
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

May 8 @ 9:43 AM ET
Amazing what players you an get when you actually get good selections and rebuild properly.
- Flyfly

The jury on SJ process is going to be out for quite a few years from now. Let's not count chicken prematurely.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 8 @ 9:43 AM ET
I don't think you can teach a guy who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder and a desperate work ethic to develop those qualities. That stuff is innate.
- Tomahawk
I agree, some guys have that fire and others don't. I don't think you can teach it. I use Frost as an example. He is what he is. He just doesn't have that compete level to take the next step in the NHL. That's why I wouldn't be upset if the Flyers traded him despite needing all the centers that they can get.
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