most are things you can work on and may not be answered by the draft. Rather take that chance then the safe next scott laughton.

danny doesnt seem to be a risk taker.
- hello it's me 2050

I don't know. Let's see. He could have easily played it safe and past on Michkov for Leonard.

Let's see what happens this draft. My curiosity is if now he looks to deal some players for picks. Also if your guy is not there with the FLA pick, would you move if it you can get a 2025 first and maybe something else?

Some things I read seem like scouts are a little higher on 2025 talent.

The jury on SJ process is going to be out for quite a few years from now. Let's not count chicken prematurely.
- missingmike

Totally agree! Buffalo has been making great picks for 100 years now and look where they still stand today. These are mostly 18 year old kids and their future development isn't guaranteed by any means.

I agree, some guys have that fire and others don't. I don't think you can teach it. I use Frost as an example. He is what he is. He just doesn't have that compete level to take the next step in the NHL. That's why I wouldn't be upset if the Flyers traded him despite needing all the centers that they can get.
- Phillywhiteout

Talent is talent.

If he puts the puck in the net at an elite level I would take that and try to round out the rest. I don't need more Scott Laughtons. I need talent.

The classic tanker lol. It’s about recognizing talent not position of draft pick. Patrick ahead of Makar.

Teams still in playoffs
Fla top scorers
Chucky - 6th overall, traded for him
Verhaeghe - 82nd
Barkov - 2nd
Forsling - 126

Bos
Ratface - 71st
Pasta - 25th
Debrusk - 14th

Car
Jarvis - 13th
Aho - 35th
Guentzel - 77th

NYR
Mikka - 6th
Trocheck - 64th
Laf - 1st

Col
Makar - 4th
Nate - 1st
Mikko - 10th

Dallas
Johnston - 23rd
Miro - 3rd
Robertson - 39th

Van
Boeser - 23rd
Miller - 15th
Hughes - 7th

Ed
Mcdavid - 1st
Leon - 3rd
Bouchard - 10th
- Fopa21

That's the way I see it. A lot of teams have had lower picks than us over a long time and have simply drafted/developed more effectively. That has to change and is the real issue. It won't matter if we get a lot of picks or high picks if we routinely pick the Patricks over the Makars (although, that one also included a bit of bad injury luck).

Talent is talent.

If he puts the puck in the net at an elite level I would take that and try to round out the rest. I don't need more Scott Laughtons. I need talent.
- J35Bacher

You must of loved that Nail Yakupov pick then.

Talent is talent.

If he puts the puck in the net at an elite level I would take that and try to round out the rest. I don't need more Scott Laughtons. I need talent.
- J35Bacher

I don't disagree with that, but what indication has Frost ever given you that he is going to put the puck in the net at an elite level? He rarely even looks to shoot. He's a good playmaker, but I just don't see the compete level out of him that is necessary for the NHL. He has flashes where he looks good and then he disappears again. He was invisible down the stretch this season and smiling on the bench when he was benched for the last half of the most important game of the year. Talent without work ethic is really kind of useless.

If they get good goaltending I think they win the cup. They have an extra gear that seemingly no other team has.
- mickel25

Imagine if Landeskog was healthy.

You must of loved that Nail Yakupov pick then.
- Fopa21

I am not naive. Not everyone works out.

But at 12, if you have someone who has an elite skill, I take that swing.

Not on same level but Ovechkin was once a minus 35. He was able to turn around his game to be a little more rounded. But you know what he does well. Scores goals. and scores on the PP.

I agree, some guys have that fire and others don't. I don't think you can teach it. I use Frost as an example. He is what he is. He just doesn't have that compete level to take the next step in the NHL. That's why I wouldn't be upset if the Flyers traded him despite needing all the centers that they can get.
- Phillywhiteout

That is completely false concerning Frost. Frost has overcome many obstacles in his career and has fought through it all. He still is dealing with. You're just not paying attention if you think Frost doesn't have a compete level.

I don't disagree with that, but what indication has Frost ever given you that he is going to put the puck in the net at an elite level? He rarely even looks to shoot. He's a good playmaker, but I just don't see the compete level out of him that is necessary for the NHL. He has flashes where he looks good and then he disappears again. He was invisible down the stretch this season and smiling on the bench when he was benched for the last half of the most important game of the year. Talent without work ethic is really kind of useless.
- Phillywhiteout

It was more meant for a reason to pick Eiserman.

But I would not move Frost. He is the best playmaker the Flyers have and i think there is more to his game. I am not sure this coach will help bring it out though.

That is completely false concerning Frost. Frost has overcome many obstacles in his career and has fought through it all. He still is dealing with. You're just not paying attention if you think Frost doesn't have a compete level.
- MJL

Do you "notice" him? That's the true measure of a player.

I am not naive. Not everyone works out.

But at 12, if you have someone who has an elite skill, I take that swing.

Not on same level but Ovechkin was once a minus 35. He was able to turn around his game to be a little more rounded. But you know what he does well. Scores goals. and scores on the PP.
- J35Bacher

I hear you it just takes the right mix of everything. Skill alone doesn’t get it done. They need to do better than the Laughtons of the world but just can’t blindly look for skill.
Marner
Matthews
Tons of skill but the hate to loose & do what needs to be done to win seems to be missing especially when it comes to playoff time.

I agree, some guys have that fire and others don't. I don't think you can teach it. I use Frost as an example. He is what he is. He just doesn't have that compete level to take the next step in the NHL. That's why I wouldn't be upset if the Flyers traded him despite needing all the centers that they can get.
- Phillywhiteout

Frost is in the show tho, he goes to the net, he works on his game. He may ultimately underachieve relative to expectations but we're not talking about a lost pick here. A 40-50 point player with the 27th-overall pick is pretty much a success.

At #12 tho... you need to be drafting a high-probability difference maker. You can't afford to draft a kid who may turn pro and suddenly find out that what he did in junior doesn't translate and he can't adapt and he can't elevate his compete to break through.

Not saying that's Eiserman, but it's part of the calculus.

Is Connelly so radioactive he cannot even be considered @ 12? I'm curious.

Is Connelly so radioactive he cannot even be considered @ 12? I'm curious.
- Trox88

I was going to ask but if he drops to the FLA pick, would you take the chance there?

I don't disagree with that, but what indication has Frost ever given you that he is going to put the puck in the net at an elite level? He rarely even looks to shoot. He's a good playmaker, but I just don't see the compete level out of him that is necessary for the NHL. He has flashes where he looks good and then he disappears again. He was invisible down the stretch this season and smiling on the bench when he was benched for the last half of the most important game of the year. Talent without work ethic is really kind of useless.
- Phillywhiteout

You're still making that idiotic point. You saw a snippet of Frost on the bench, with no idea what the situation was. The possibilities are endless. He was benched so he can't smile if something humorous was said to him? I was unhappy with Frost's point production in the last 10 games or so but he was not invisible.

As far as the benching in the last game of the season against Washington. That was a pre-meditated decision by Tortorella in my opinion. It was a low event game with Washington playing a conservative defensive style. After one period, where nothing really happened for the Flyers. Tortorella benches two offensively talented players and overplays players like Hathaway and Poehling. With Poehling getting the most minutes of any center on the team. It was horrendous coaching by Tortorella and I'm shocked that the Flyers only scored one goal and lost the game.

Frost is in the show tho, he goes to the net, he works on his game. He may ultimately underachieve relative to expectations but we're not talking about a lost pick here. A 40-50 point player with the 27th-overall pick is pretty much a success.

At #12 tho... you need to be drafting a high-probability difference maker. You can't afford to draft a kid who may turn pro and suddenly find out that what he did in junior doesn't translate and he can't adapt and he can't elevate his compete to break through.

Not saying that's Eiserman, but it's part of the calculus.
- Tomahawk

Thing is Eiserman is probably playing a year of college. So he will get time to develop at Boston, i think that is where he committed. College hockey has gotten so good now, i think you'll see him take more steps in other parts of his game.

The classic tanker lol. It’s about recognizing talent not position of draft pick. Patrick ahead of Makar.

Teams still in playoffs
Fla top scorers
Chucky - 6th overall, traded for him
Verhaeghe - 82nd
Barkov - 2nd
Forsling - 126

Bos
Ratface - 71st
Pasta - 25th
Debrusk - 14th

Car
Jarvis - 13th
Aho - 35th
Guentzel - 77th

NYR
Mikka - 6th
Trocheck - 64th
Laf - 1st

Col
Makar - 4th
Nate - 1st
Mikko - 10th

Dallas
Johnston - 23rd
Miro - 3rd
Robertson - 39th

Van
Boeser - 23rd
Miller - 15th
Hughes - 7th

Ed
Mcdavid - 1st
Leon - 3rd
Bouchard - 10th
- Fopa21

You left off Ekblad (1st overall) and the fact that Florida used Huberdeau (3rd overall) to trade for Tkachuk.

Where is Elias Petersson (5th overall)? How about Byram (3rd overall traded for Mittelstadt) for the Avs? Svechnikov for CAR (2nd overall)? All of the teams left save for Boston have had at least 1 top 5 pick and some have had multiple. Sure, recognize talent. You know what gives you the best shot at doing so? Picking in the top 10.

Do you "notice" him? That's the true measure of a player.
- mickel25

I always get a kick out the "he was invisible" comments. Especially when it comes from sources who can barely tell that a game is being played.

Would make sense for the Flyers, but not the Sens.
- Tomahawk

From what the Sens are saying they want to add some leadership…quality…they have enough prospects….similar to when they traded for Debrincat. I would think there’s a fit.

Is Connelly so radioactive he cannot even be considered @ 12? I'm curious.
- Trox88

To his credit he's been doing a lot of stuff to get the stink off himself.

Whether that's enough for GMs and owners to consider him worth the risk will be a team by team thing.

It was more meant for a reason to pick Eiserman.

But I would not move Frost. He is the best playmaker the Flyers have and i think there is more to his game. I am not sure this coach will help bring it out though.
- J35Bacher

There are very few assets the Flyers have that are untouchable. Michkov might be the only one. If a deal makes sense hockey wise, checking all the boxes for a rebuilding team. Then Frost or anyone not named Michkov should be moved.

Any examples?
- Tomahawk

nope not one. it can never happen. give me fn break with the any examples response.

can you prove it can't happen?

From what the Sens are saying they want to add some leadership…quality…they have enough prospects….similar to when they traded for Debrincat. I would think there’s a fit.
- landros 2

IMO TK doesn't bring enough leadership to give up 7th-overall.

Laughts is probably more what they'd be after.

Imagine if Landeskog was healthy.
- MJL

morning cliff, how are you today?