I see Laughton as more of a “poor man’s Tavares” if we are making comparisons.
- anti-lame

A destitute and homeless Tavares maybe..

Would Konecny to Ottawa for #7 make any sense?
- landros 2

Is the top of this draft even good enough outside of Celebrini to warrant trading away a 30 goal scorer? I'm not necessarily opposed to trading away TK, but my impression is that this draft drops off after the first couple of picks.

Is the top of this draft even good enough outside of Celebrini to warrant trading away a 30 goal scorer? I'm not necessarily opposed to trading away TK, but my impression is that this draft isn't very top heavy.
- Sublime55

As opposed to signing him to a huge contract or losing him for nothing, I would say yes.

As opposed to signing him to a huge contract or losing him for nothing, I would say yes.
- MBFlyerfan

What about moving him at the deadline?

What about moving him at the deadline?
- Sublime55

not worth the risk. he will re-sign anyway. why would anyone want to leave the gold standard.

He has 50 points in 57 playoff games. Yet some say he doesn't play well in the playoffs. I get the expectations of a star players but the issue with the Leafs is not Marner. If they think it is, then they're fools.
- MJL

So lets take a deeper dive on his stats.

2016 6 GP, 4 points, mostly assists. Not a point per game and was blanked in 3 games.
2017 7 GP, 9 points, mostly assists. More than a point per game
2018 7 GP, 4 points, even in goals and assists. Not a point per game and was blanked in 3 games.
2019 5 GP, 4 points, all assists. Not a point per game and was blanked in 3 games.
2020 7 GP, 4 points, all assists. Not a point per game and was blanked in 4 games.
2021 7 GP, 8 points, mostly assists. More than a point per game but was blanked in 2 games.
2022 11 GP, 14 points, mostly assists. More than a point per game but was blanked in 3 games.
2023 7 GP, 3 points, mostly assists. Not a point per game and was blanked in 3 games.

Someone getting paid that much should be held pointless in 21 playoff games

I think Catton could even slide above him.

I could see OTT taking a defender. They might move on from Chychurn so I could see them taking a defender.

I like Farabee and I think he's not been used correctly but would you look to move him if you could get a top pick say from Utah or Ott?

I still think the best move is trading konecny.
- J35Bacher

Good points, Utah is looking to be good now. I think the Flyers could make a trade and move up to 6. The Flyers have the assets to do this, but they will have to be willing to give them up. If there is a player they really want at 6, Briere should be aggressive and get that player.

What about moving him at the deadline?
- Sublime55

They can do that. I would prefer they do not let that happen. This isn't a Guentzel situation where they are in a win now scenario. I think it would be a huge distraction for the whole season. What happens if they are still in it at the deadline? This isn't like trading away Walker who was here less than a year. This is a lifer player who wants to stay and would sign a deal if asked. Do they still trade him? What if he is having another great season? DO they sign him then? For probably more than he would have gotten this off-season? DO they trade their best player in the midst of a playoff run?

Sure they can do any of these things.

I think it would be dumb for the Flyers to let it play out. I think it needs to be resolved this off-season one way or another.

I know most don't agree, its just the way I see it.

A destitute and homeless Tavares maybe..
- MBFlyerfan

“Prime” Tavares? Sure

“Now” Tavares? They are closer than you think

He's one of those stodgy Canadian turds that still hates the Flyers from the 1970's cause they were bullies. Some folks just have lots of trouble moving on for some reason.
- Phillywhiteout

Like the Flyers front office?

Good points, Utah is looking to be good now. I think the Flyers could make a trade and move up to 6. The Flyers have the assets to do this, but they will have to be willing to give them up. If there is a player they really want at 6, Briere should be aggressive and get that player.
- jd250

well what are they offering utah then to move up?

That is completely false concerning Frost. Frost has overcome many obstacles in his career and has fought through it all. He still is dealing with. You're just not paying attention if you think Frost doesn't have a compete level.
- MJL

The problem with Frost is consistency. He can't go from an 'A' game to a 'D' game, he needs to bottom out at a 'B' game. The other issue with Frost is he needs to know when to shoot and when to pass, and I saw him make strides this year on that. But I agree, Frost competes.

Good points, Utah is looking to be good now. I think the Flyers could make a trade and move up to 6. The Flyers have the assets to do this, but they will have to be willing to give them up. If there is a player they really want at 6, Briere should be aggressive and get that player.
- jd250

What assets do the Flyers have that could move them up to 6?

well what are they offering utah then to move up?
- hello it's me 2050

The 12th overall plus roster players that fill the gaps Utah believes they have.

They can do that. I would prefer they do not let that happen. This isn't a Guentzel situation where they are in a win now scenario. I think it would be a huge distraction for the whole season. What happens if they are still in it at the deadline? This isn't like trading away Walker who was here less than a year. This is a lifer player who wants to stay and would sign a deal if asked. Do they still trade him? What if he is having another great season? DO they sign him then? For probably more than he would have gotten this off-season? DO they trade their best player in the midst of a playoff run?

Sure they can do any of these things.

I think it would be dumb for the Flyers to let it play out. I think it needs to be resolved this off-season one way or another.

I know most don't agree, its just the way I see it.
- MBFlyerfan

Those are fair points...interesting decisions Danny has this offseason

The problem with Frost is consistency. He can't go from an 'A' game to a 'D' game, he needs to bottom out at a 'B' game. The other issue with Frost is he needs to know when to shoot and when to pass, and I saw him make strides this year on that. But I agree, Frost competes.
- jd250

I think Frost has to be a more consistent point producer but his overall game is much better than a lot of people think. Including the coach.

What assets do the Flyers have that could move them up to 6?
- MJL

Frost, Farabee, Laughton, Cates, Zamula, Attard, Ginning and even Sanheim. If there is player there at 6 the Flyers really want, I wouldn't have a problem trading any of these players along with the 12th overall pick.

it is not a rebuild. what the flyers are doing is garbage. they will stay in no mans land continuing to do what they have for the last x amount of years.
- hello it's me 2050

Facts

Torts had 75 points his first season. 87 points this season. Zero chance that man is willing to go backwards. I think we all know what their goal is for 24-25.

“Prime” Tavares? Sure

“Now” Tavares? They are closer than you think
- anti-lame

I'm not sure I agree. But I guess it depends on what your criteria is.

Last 2 seasons.


https://stathead.com/tiny/oQddz

I think Frost has to be a more consistent point producer but his overall game is much better than a lot of people think. Including the coach.
- MJL

And I really got to see that when I watched him live against the Bruins. He doesn't have the size and strength so he gets knocked off the puck frequently but he is not afraid to go into the corners and fight for pucks. I was surprised to be honest. His open ice skill and vision is self-evident, he has a lot of skill.

It's interesting that there are fans who think the current Flyers methods can be successful. They've been doing it forever and it's 14 years since this team was truly relevant in the league. Yet those fans say they're not willing to sit through a true rebuild which could take 5 years or longer? They're unwilling to give up all the success this team has had in the past 14 years. Unable to recognize that if the Flyers don't drastically change, it will only lengthen the time it could take.
- MJL

That's always been the funniest thing to me. People who claim they hate losing and how it's "not in their DNA" yet won't do the necessary things to build a winner.

The 12th overall plus roster players that fill the gaps Utah believes they have.
- jd250

what roster players?

Frost, Farabee, Laughton, Cates, Zamula, Attard, Ginning and even Sanheim. If there is player there at 6 the Flyers really want, I wouldn't have a problem trading any of these players along with the 12th overall pick.
- jd250

good lord.

joel is probably the only one. Said weeks ago sanhiem and utah would be a good fit seeing they have only a few D under contract.

Points are never misleading. Crosby is a generational player. Is that a fair comparison? I think the issue is the team around Marner. Not Marner. If you think you can make the team better by trading an elite NHL forward, good luck. The most likely outcome is that you lose that trade. I think the issue with the Leafs is their defense is not good enough. Their PK wasn't good. They need k”another high level puck mover. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
- MJL

Points are misleading if you’re not taking into consideration when the goals are scored. Marner’s scoring has been halved in Games 4-7 in the playoffs. A few here have said Marner is a top 10 forward in the league. I disagree but let’s say they’re right. A top 10 player playing well in the playoffs doesn’t cut it.

That Boston team was flawed. But they have good structure and a top 10 forward has to find a way. I’m not saying Marner is the one to go. Just that he is part of the problem. That top heavy core 4 needs a change.

I'm not sure I agree. But I guess it depends on what your criteria is.

Last 2 seasons.


https://stathead.com/tiny/oQddz
- MBFlyerfan

Great, now all we have to do is see Laughton on a team with Matthews, Nylander and Marner