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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 5:23 PM ET
I just have to ask how much video is there of him out there? Is there much available or, and is it about the stats he put up as well? I'm just curious

It seems like his videos are limited.

- BetweenTheDots



Nah, the Quebec league where linemates Drouin and MacKinnon played was a fun playground for them tio run over.

There is lots of video of Drouin scoring with out McKinnon as the key assist, but the QMJHL can mislead you as it is offensive in it's nature and for decades was a small er sized prospect league...
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 11 @ 7:28 PM ET
Just for discussion sake. The 2nd overall for Brady Tkachuk and Shane Pinto or ridley Craig. Thoughts?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 7:41 PM ET
Nah, the Quebec league where linemates Drouin and MacKinnon played was a fun playground for them tio run over.

There is lots of video of Drouin scoring with out McKinnon as the key assist, but the QMJHL can mislead you as it is offensive in it's nature and for decades was a small er sized prospect league...

- wiz1901


Thanks for the response but i meant Demidov
Scott1977
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May 11 @ 7:43 PM ET
Just for discussion sake. The 2nd overall for Brady Tkachuk and Shane Pinto or ridley Craig. Thoughts?
- Scott1977

Tampa's 20th and 2nd 54 for necas from Carolina don't know what the contract would look like.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 7:46 PM ET
Scott Powers asked nine draft experts who should Hawks draft Levshunov or Demidov. 8 out of them said Demidov. Only Pronman leaned to Levshunov and he had a good argument for that.
- MjulQvist



You know when i used to play fantasy football in my early years i would get suckered into drafting some media darling, it took me a couple years but i was able to silence them and trust my research and did quite well actually. Again is there much video of Demidov out there? I really don't see much, so these analysts went and scouted him in Russia?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 7:49 PM ET
Reichel did really well in the AHL last year and still struggled at the NHL level. I'm just saying drafter beware. Whoever scouted Kantserov for the Blackhawks says he's the best prospect I've seen in Russia next to Michcov then maybe.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
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May 11 @ 8:10 PM ET
Tampa's 20th and 2nd 54 for necas from Carolina don't know what the contract would look like.
- Scott1977



Not a bad trade, I’d swap out #54 for #67 and add Raddysh.
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

May 11 @ 8:10 PM ET
You mean like this year?
- vabeachbear


You really think the Hawks can go from 31st place to 16th in one season?

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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
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May 11 @ 8:20 PM ET
Reichel did really well in the AHL last year and still struggled at the NHL level. I'm just saying drafter beware. Whoever scouted Kantserov for the Blackhawks says he's the best prospect I've seen in Russia next to Michcov then maybe.
- BetweenTheDots



I think the Hawks are doing the right thing by being patient with Reichel. The talent is there, he just needs to bring more intensity and confidence. Lots of guys in the 2020 draft class are off to a slow start to their career, I don’t think it’s the right time to panic or give up on #27.

In the 2020 draft the #1 & #2 overall picks just hit their stride this season. Holtz (#7) and Holloway (#14) are still waiting to hit theirs (for example).

With the rebuilding work KD has done the Hawks aren’t relying on Reichel becoming a top line forward. If Reichel becomes and effective 2nd or 3rd line forward who produces in the 50 point ranges that’s more than enough.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 8:32 PM ET
I think the Hawks are doing the right thing by being patient with Reichel. The talent is there, he just needs to bring more intensity and confidence. Lots of guys in the 2020 draft class are off to a slow start to their career, I don’t think it’s the right time to panic or give up on #27.

In the 2020 draft the #1 & #2 overall picks just hit their stride this season. Holtz (#7) and Holloway (#14) are still waiting to hit theirs (for example).

With the rebuilding work KD has done the Hawks aren’t relying on Reichel becoming a top line forward. If Reichel becomes and effective 2nd or 3rd line forward who produces in the 50 point ranges that’s more than enough.

- DarthKane


I don't disagree Darth i like the path they are taking with Reichel, but we don't know if that talent will translate to the NHL level.

It was more of a Demidov comparison since he's not playing in the KHL. Stats are great but again how much tape is there on this guy? Seems limited

All I've seen is about a 7 minute clip on this kid, sure it's very good but still 7 minutes of highlights.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

May 11 @ 8:43 PM ET
I think the Hawks are doing the right thing by being patient with Reichel. The talent is there, he just needs to bring more intensity and confidence. Lots of guys in the 2020 draft class are off to a slow start to their career, I don’t think it’s the right time to panic or give up on #27.

In the 2020 draft the #1 & #2 overall picks just hit their stride this season. Holtz (#7) and Holloway (#14) are still waiting to hit theirs (for example).

With the rebuilding work KD has done the Hawks aren’t relying on Reichel becoming a top line forward. If Reichel becomes and effective 2nd or 3rd line forward who produces in the 50 point ranges that’s more than enough.

- DarthKane

Agree with you on all of this.

And KD has him signed to a new 2 year deal at just slightly above ELC money based on performance to date. Instead of paying much more and hoping the kid will find his NHL legs.
Scott1977
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May 11 @ 8:58 PM ET
Not a bad trade, I’d swap out #54 for #67 and add Raddysh.
- DarthKane

It's just example of what Davidson might some draft capital and other assets for. Necas was just example I'm sure there are other players that would fill the same type of thinking.
boilermaker100
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May 11 @ 9:25 PM ET
Seth Jones to Utah for the 6th pick. Utah needs some star power. Utah further along their rebuild and Jones realizes they will be in contention sooner than Chicago so he waives. Also he's a low key kind of guy so that smaller market may appeal to him. Hawks retain 2M, maybe throw in a 2nd or 3rd.

Hawks select Levshunov as the heir apparent RD1 and get Catton or Eiserman with the 6th pick.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
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May 11 @ 9:49 PM ET
You know i thought I'd do what i could to find highlights of Demidov tonight. Still can only find about 7 minutes of highlights of him.

So all these analysts are convinced he's the 2nd best prospect in this draft? Based on 7 minutes of tape and his stats? I'm willing to bet none of them saw him play live. Where do you sign up to be an analyst and get payed for it. Nice gig
Scott1977
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May 11 @ 10:33 PM ET
Seth Jones to Utah for the 6th pick. Utah needs some star power. Utah further along their rebuild and Jones realizes they will be in contention sooner than Chicago so he waives. Also he's a low key kind of guy so that smaller market may appeal to him. Hawks retain 2M, maybe throw in a 2nd or 3rd.

Hawks select Levshunov as the heir apparent RD1 and get Catton or Eiserman with the 6th pick.

- boilermaker100

If Hawks draft leshunov that would make the defense even stronger even with Jones in the mix and pretty solid on the right side. Levshunov Jones Murphy that's a pretty good d core. Yes maybe down the line Hawks trade Jones but now its better to keep him whatever you think of him as a defenseman. More stability on backend helps the young players short and long term.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 10:34 PM ET
Fatty, if the Sharks covet Demidov over Celebrini my guess is they would try and trade down to get a decent haul than to take the Russian at #1. .....
But, if they took Celebrini along with Smith they have a nice looking 1-2 punch at center for the next decade. ...... And, Celebrini has a lotta Toew's like traits in that his compete is crazy and he's a 200 ft drag your team into the fight kinda player and probably has a higher offensive ceiling than Johnny

- Mr Ricochet[
/i].


You re scaring me, Ric..

You think a kid who has never played an NHL game has more offensive ceiling than Toews.
Is that what Montreal did when their surprise number one turned out to be Juraj Slafkovsky?
You really have only one trade partner-the team right below you in slot#2.

Let's say Demi-gorgon was their intended #1 -they would siimply take him and have to know with certainty that that the team they just traded the pick to wasn't going to.
Remember how Kyle never said they were taking Bedard?
GM Mike Grier aid HE IS taking Celebrini.



BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
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May 11 @ 10:37 PM ET
If Hawks draft leshunov that would make the defense even stronger even with Jones in the mix and pretty solid on the right side. Levshunov Jones Murphy that's a pretty good d core. Yes maybe down the line Hawks trade Jones but now its better to keep him whatever you think of him as a defenseman. More stability on backend helps the young players short and long term.
- Scott1977


Only if they think he's the best available. If they believe Buium or D!ckinson are better i hope they draft them instead.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 10:45 PM ET
Scott Powers asked nine draft experts who should Hawks draft Levshunov or Demidov. 8 out of them said Demidov. Only Pronman leaned to Levshunov and he had a good argument for that.
- MjulQvist


I am more surprised that Scott Powers HAD a way of contacting nine draft experts.

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 10:49 PM ET
Sign me up, Lundell is a fine player but not at the 2 slot.... He is underrated.

I'm intrigued by that Hemming kid. Big boy has some speed and wants to go to the net.

- Mr Ricochet


Maybe short area quickness, but he needs three strides to have any speed.

Heavy Butts.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 10:50 PM ET
That hit by Benn on Toews has made him a bit timid.
rpeters01
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May 11 @ 11:12 PM ET
Not a bad trade, I’d swap out #54 for #67 and add Raddysh.
- DarthKane

Raddysh will be our best player next season.
rpeters01
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May 11 @ 11:14 PM ET
Look at their core going forward with levshunov in the mix.
Vlasic -Jones
Korchinski-levshunov
Kasier/Phillips/ demastro/Allan- Murphy that's pretty dam solid. Imo I think that is what Davidson will do. But also think he will try and trade back into the top ten for a forward. Unless some team comes with a Hugh offer for number 2 I don't think Davidson and trade out of that spot. Last what young player could have realistic chance of traded for? Just using him as an example Necas, so what other young players could be possible and for what in terms of trade assets?

- Scott1977

A great defensive team is easier to build around than a great offensive team.
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

May 11 @ 11:19 PM ET
And if we were to build a defense heavy team, it's not like we have no fun offensive threats to watch (Bedard). We won't turn into the early 2000s Devils or the Lemaire Wild
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

May 12 @ 2:36 AM ET
Again is there much video of Demidov out there? I really don't see much, so these analysts went and scouted him in Russia?
- BetweenTheDots


You can watch MHL games from internet. And Blackhawks have scout in Russia.

I tend to trust people who do cover these players all year. In McKenzie´s draft rankings 5 scouts out of 10 put Demidov in number two slot. Three had him at number three. So is everyone so clueless that they are putting him there just watching five minutes of highlights? I don´t think so. I get that people are suspicious but the talent is evident.

I´m ok whoever Hawks draft with that pick (as long as it´s not Eiserman ) I believe there is more options that Demidov and Levshunov. Not a lot but I just cannot believe there are only two choices atm.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 12 @ 8:52 AM ET
You can watch MHL games from internet. And Blackhawks have scout in Russia.

I tend to trust people who do cover these players all year. In McKenzie´s draft rankings 5 scouts out of 10 put Demidov in number two slot. Three had him at number three. So is everyone so clueless that they are putting him there just watching five minutes of highlights? I don´t think so. I get that people are suspicious but the talent is evident.

I´m ok whoever Hawks draft with that pick (as long as it´s not Eiserman ) I believe there is more options that Demidov and Levshunov. Not a lot but I just cannot believe there are only two choices atm.

- MjulQvist


I didn't know you could watch the games on the internet

Not to be a pain in the ass but who are these scouts? Are they any good

I'm with you though whoever they draft is fine with me, but where we differ is I'm fine with then drafting Eiserman.

Looking at McKenzies past draft rankings, let's just say i hope the Blackhawks are better today at scouting prospects then he and his group are.
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