The Leafs needed to fire Keefe before this past season.

They needed to see whether or not the "core" could look any different under a different coach/different culture. Then, they could make a more educated decision on
Marner.

Now, they are in a situation where he may simply refuse a trade, or he agrees to a few teams and the Leafs get nowhere near his value in return because he has 1 year until UFA, or he walks for nothing at the end of next season, or they end up over-paying him, which might be the worst result of all.

This is the reason Shanahan should also be gone. There is no "Shanaplan".
- Aetherial

I actually like what Shanahan has done over the years.

He purposely tanked the team - something nobody in Toronto had the guts to do for 50 years.

He held onto draft picks, which turned into the most talent this team has seen in years.

And he acquired top end talent. I think that looking back, signing Tavares was a mistake, but there isn't a single guy here who hated it at the time of the signing.

Most importantly, he stopped MLSE from continuously sacrificing long-term progress with short-term, reactive moves - something this franking team has been doing for 60 years.

We didn't get the results we wanted.

But I still like the process we followed.

With AM raise kicking in next year and Willie raise kicking in next year, and JT still here, the team will be seriously challenged. Kinda unfair to put a guy like Berube into the fire and give him less of a chance than this years team. If one of the core isn’t moved, new coach or not, it won’t be enough.

They either hire Berube today and announce him tomorrow or wait and see if the Bod becomes available
- Canada Cup

Zero chance, IMO, that they wait for the Rod the Bod situation to play out. I think they pull the trigger on someone in the next week or two. At what point does he become available, anyways? How do coach contracts work?

For the record, there is a zero percent chance he comes to Toronto.

I actually like what Shanahan has done over the years.

He purposely tanked the team - something nobody in Toronto had the guts to do for 50 years.

He held onto draft picks, which turned into the most talent this team has seen in years.

And he acquired top end talent. I think that looking back, signing Tavares was a mistake, but there isn't a single guy here who hated it at the time of the signing.

Most importantly, he stopped MLSE from continuously sacrificing long-term progress with short-term, reactive moves - something this franking team has been doing for 60 years.

We didn't get the results we wanted.

But I still like the process we followed.
- Atomic Wedgie

Damn it Wedgie, don't come in here with a bunch of logic and positivity and ruin a perfectly good poopfest.

Zero chance, IMO, that they wait for the Rod the Bod situation to play out. I think they pull the trigger on someone in the next week or two. At what point does he become available, anyways? How do coach contracts work?

For the record, there is a zero percent chance he comes to Toronto.
- Whipper

Would be stupid in my opinion.

Get your guy that is available.

With AM raise kicking in next year and Willie raise kicking in next year, and JT still here, the team will be seriously challenged. Kinda unfair to put a guy like Berube into the fire and give him less of a chance than this years team. If one of the core isn’t moved, new coach or not, it won’t be enough.
- Bullot

Next year is definitely a holding year.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm OK with that.

FFS, we were absolutely cursed with injuries in the first round, and we still took the Bruins to OT in game 7.

This team is not as bad as people make it out to be.

You think Boston wins that series if they don't have Marchand for 3 games and Pasternak for 2 games and Swayman for game 7?

Would Vegas do MM for Theadore and Hertl/Karlson? Maybe throwing in some picks?

Next year is definitely a holding year.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm OK with that.

FFS, we were absolutely cursed with injuries in the first round, and we still took the Bruins to OT in game 7.

This team is not as bad as people make it out to be.

You think Boston wins that series if they don't have Marchand for 3 games and Pasternak for 2 games and Swayman for game 7?
- Atomic Wedgie

I like the direction they are heading with compete and grit.

Don't think Keefe was the right man for that style.

Keefe's farewell message:

https://twitter.com/Sheld...tatus/1788600739310309623

I actually like what Shanahan has done over the years.

He purposely tanked the team - something nobody in Toronto had the guts to do for 50 years.

He held onto draft picks, which turned into the most talent this team has seen in years.

And he acquired top end talent. I think that looking back, signing Tavares was a mistake, but there isn't a single guy here who hated it at the time of the signing.

Most importantly, he stopped MLSE from continuously sacrificing long-term progress with short-term, reactive moves - something this franking team has been doing for 60 years.

We didn't get the results we wanted.

But I still like the process we followed.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree with all of this. People have short memories.

Keefe's farewell message:

https://twitter.com/Sheld...tatus/1788600739310309623
- Atomic Wedgie

Now that’s class.

Sounds like Berube has the job if he wants it. In other news, this can’t be the only change. Leafs CANNOT resign Marner with a NTC.
- Bullot

I may be in the minority, but id prefer Gallant over Berube.

Kinda agree here. Sounds like expected corporate behavior. If there was gonna be a red wedding, Shanahan would have been fired at the same time as Keefe.

So, I am going to nominate a few coaching candidates from off the board : Wendel Clark? Doug Gilmour? Some other smart and respected Leafs alum? Or, wild one here, Mike Keenan?

Or, some recently retired and respected player like Marty St. Louis in Montreal?

I'm not sure just plugging in another retread is going to suffice. The same half dozen names keep getting thrown around. I hope the Leafs go off the board.
- GalacticStone

Shanny does more than just oversee the team and results, maybe hes been really good other areas?

I may be in the minority, but id prefer Gallant over Berube.
- Archaic

Yay a guy has been unable to last more than 3 seasons on a team in 4 attempts!

Next year is definitely a holding year.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm OK with that.

FFS, we were absolutely cursed with injuries in the first round, and we still took the Bruins to OT in game 7.

This team is not as bad as people make it out to be.

You think Boston wins that series if they don't have Marchand for 3 games and Pasternak for 2 games and Swayman for game 7?
- Atomic Wedgie

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team get hit with injuries like that in the first round of the playoffs. The people who hate on everything don’t like to acknowledge that because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

Marner holds all the cards.

If management doesn't want him, that sucks for everybody. But, if his teammates like him and he has the support of the locker room, then he has more leverage. It would be different if the guy was locker room poison and everybody hated him or wanted him gone also. If his fellow players like him, like playing with him, and think the team is better for having him, then he can stay and there isn't poop management can say about it without going hard and being Richards - which is bad for other reasons.

Either he agrees or he doesn't. Management isn't going to "run him out" unless he wants to be run out.
- GalacticStone

I think we saw on the bench what his teammates actually think of him. What they said in media availability is all a smoke show.

I may be in the minority, but id prefer Gallant over Berube.
- Archaic

I want Bruce Boudreau for my own selfish reasons.

With AM raise kicking in next year and Willie raise kicking in next year, and JT still here, the team will be seriously challenged. Kinda unfair to put a guy like Berube into the fire and give him less of a chance than this years team. If one of the core isn’t moved, new coach or not, it won’t be enough.
- Bullot

It will be more than what has transpired the past several years.
As ive said before, this upcoming season is not an all in season, its just a filler until JT comes off the books.
Dont expect any big moves ar tdl, unless its to move willie or marner.

Gallant can't seem to hold a job down after he gets hired.

Mclelland is OK but he was basically Sheldon Keefe in his time in SJ.

Woodcroft? lol

Boucher? lol

Sullivan? He is not leaving

It is Berube and if you were a betting man I would suggest you bet on it.

Would be stupid in my opinion.

Get your guy that is available.
- Santo_44

Just cause Berube is available doesn't mean hes their number 1 guy.
The bod could be top of their list like he would be for every team.
No need to rush this.

I want Bruce Boudreau for my own selfish reasons.
- shack67

Hes done head coaching.
Maybe an asst?

Gallant can't seem to hold a job down after he gets hired.

Mclelland is OK but he was basically Sheldon Keefe in his time in SJ.

Woodcroft? lol

Boucher? lol

Sullivan? He is not leaving

It is Berube and if you were a betting man I would suggest you bet on it.
- Santo_44

The Hockey News agrees with you.

https://thehockeynews.com...re-are-the-top-candidates

Would Vegas do MM for Theadore and Hertl/Karlson? Maybe throwing in some picks?
- Santo_44

Would you, if you were Vegas, especially knowing you're on tthe short list?

Didn't think so.

Just cause Berube is available doesn't mean hes their number 1 guy.
The bod could be top of their list like he would be for every team.
No need to rush this.
- Fakepartofme

The Bod likely is not going anywhere.

No sense in waiting and having to settle for a Jay Woodcroft.

There are 2 maybe 3 coaches that are worth a damn...and 2 of them are a big meh.

I think we saw on the bench what his teammates actually think of him. What they said in media availability is all a smoke show.
- Whipper

My gawd.
You never had a spat with a teammate you're close with during a pressure game?
Jesus, quit reading into a little tiff.